Why is leesin and shyvana nerfed but not vi?

Keitron·1/10/2017, 10:10:04 PM·60 votes·4,337 views

lets face it Leesin, Shyvana and Vi are strong junglers, with 7.0 jungle changes they have become OP, Leesin currently sits at a 50% winrate with a over the top** 33%** pickrate and 20% banrate. Shyvana on the other hand has a 52% winrate with a 10% pick/ban. Here is where the issue is Vi has a whopping 54%!! winrate with a 15% pickrate leading into a 11% banrate.

Riot has stated not all statistics are crucial but the REAL question is why leesin? Why shyvana? Why were these two junglers with a lesser winrate getting nerfed but not Vi?! She is arguably the best jungler currently and will to fill in the gaps when Leesin and Shyvana are nerfed in 7.1. Her winrate will rise, her play rate will rise and her ban rate will rise, does everyone not see the problem here? Its like removing countries like China, Russia, Canada, Uk ect and leaving America as a power, all the little countries are screwed, AKA every other jungler.

TL:DR Does riot not see what will happen leaving vi at 54% winrate while nerfing the other best junglers?

Edit: I checked the patch notes does anyone see where courage of the colossus is getting nerfed in 7.1? Because i don't everyone who speaks of CotC being nerfed is wrong, Vi's winrate will rise. For those of you saying its on the PBE i am talking about patch 7.1 here not a patch months off.

114 Comments

DemoGuide1/10/2017, 10:53:56 PM27 votes

Lee nerf is a joke. It's a power nerf, which is kinda good, and i accept it and like wholeheartedly, but its not the nerf Lee needs. He needs his mobility toned down. I made short list of three things i dislike in his kit, and if at least 2 of them were nerfed, i would be happy.

  1. Base MS. Despite having 2 mobility spells and one knockback he is among the top mobility champions.
  2. W dash is almost instant. Its almost a blink. To react to it you should expect lee to jump on this position, which is kinda hard if happens from fog of war.
  3. Q recast range is like le blanc chain. You can't leave it, and if you are somehow managed to do it, his base ms or W jump allow him to catch up easily. Nerfing recast range at least by 100 points would make a great deal.
Kaioko1/11/2017, 12:36:46 AM12 votes

Not to state the obvious here or anything.... but Vi's win rate rose because CotC is too strong. If they're nerfing CotC why would they nerf Vi until they see how she's performing with the nerfed down mastery?

Azteryz1/11/2017, 12:33:57 AM8 votes

cause she getting a new skin gotta get that revenue

Velenix1/10/2017, 10:11:53 PM6 votes

Some of your points i do not agree with fully but all in all you are correct, vi will indeed get popular with her win rate rising to the tops, i guess its time to only ban Vi.

tomibezdzeri1/11/2017, 3:07:04 AM5 votes

Vi is balanced. Its Courage of the Collosus that made her op. Nerfing CotC will bring her to old spot. So chill.

captainkaiger1/11/2017, 12:16:43 AM4 votes

Because Vi hasn't been touched in months. She's actually in a really good spot, being strong enough to be picked, but not so strong that she's pick or ban. There's other options, and other ways of playing the game.

Prestige AkaIi1/11/2017, 4:12:47 PM3 votes

CotC + the jungle are getting nerfed and those changes were the only reason she's stronger rn.

Stainlessbeard1/10/2017, 10:18:13 PM3 votes

honestly, they should nerf the ones who have a higher win rate, but I do see the point of nerfing all three, considering its not only the win rate, because since lee and shiv get picked less and have almost the same win rate, it makes sense to nerf them

That being said they should not leave Vi where she is either.

Glory ln Death1/10/2017, 11:35:15 PM3 votes

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Its like removing countries like China, Russia, Canada, Uk ect

Wat? Canada? Canada? Really? You put Canada next to the leading world powers? Why not Germany, France, or Japan? Those are actually comparable in terms of economic and political power.

Putting Canada in there is like having a high school basketball team play a match against a college team... I mean, it's not like Greece or anything, but it doesn't really fit in with the other three.

RlP K0BE1/10/2017, 11:51:11 PM3 votes

Vi's increase in win rate is all because of CoC which just got nerfed again. Riot will probably see how this nerf effects champions that use the mastery before nerfing the champions themselves.

Legacy Hydralpha1/11/2017, 1:00:53 AM3 votes

Can we really call the Lee Sin changes a nerf with how small it is? The main issue with Vi's strength right now is CoC, it outclasses any other masteries she could take anyways. A free shield for using Q or R, along with your passive shield? Who would turn that down?

Spaceman5pff1/11/2017, 1:51:37 AM3 votes

Vi probably didn't get nerfed because she was only crazy strong before those colossus nerfs. She isn't anything to write home about after the nerfs.

aspects11/11/2017, 4:52:53 AM3 votes

Hecarim

Rıots Bad Client1/11/2017, 7:59:35 AM3 votes

because they nerfed colossus.

Crawhz1/11/2017, 10:58:54 AM3 votes

Once again the mighty Keito creeps into the forums to release his pent up solo-queue anger upon the unsuspecting community.

Vi is in a good spot right now, and riot should balance other junglers around Vi and keep her where she is at. The reasons Vi seems so incredibly strong in my opinion is like mentioned the Cotc mastery is over the top broken on most all champions with cc, and the fact that champions that counter her just aren't seen enough. Pick Janna or Gragas and ult as soon as she goes in to either get her out immediately after, or separate her from her team so you can focus her down. The biggest problem I can see with Vi right now is her jungle clear is pretty great. However with the new jungle nerfs through experience reductions she will have her post 6 gank power spike delayed a bit longer. If they did anything to nerf her I would recommend possibly increasing the cooldown on her ultimate, or nerfing the shield on her passive a bit to hurt her clear. Her damage across the board is roughly average, her cc is also pretty average. If you look at her next to Jarven IV or Hecarim, who more or less are capable of the same exact thing, she starts to look pretty average. Even take a look at Ivern. If you have a good Ivern on your team, when it comes to teamfighting he is good in every single scenario. Disengage, check, peel, check, engage, check, healing/shielding, check. He does not only fit into these categories but fulfills them pretty darn well. Point being Vi is just another A-Tier jungler in the crowd. Lets come back to this issue when the jungle nerfs come through, if she starts getting above the rest there may be reason for adjustments.

Plus, why would riot nerf a champion they have a skin coming out for? That would be losing a lot of potential money.

Niyumi1/11/2017, 12:39:45 PM3 votes

Because she has a new skin coming, and Riot has to make sure she's FOTM in order to milk everything they can out of it. Only reason they buffed Garen and Azir too.

GULAG 4 U1/10/2017, 11:32:17 PM2 votes

Because Vi's strength comes from the abuse of coc.

Surr20plz1/11/2017, 10:18:17 AM2 votes

Vi will be fine after they take away her ginormous coc.

Surr20plz1/11/2017, 10:18:43 AM2 votes

Hec will also be fine after they remove his horse coc.

TyroneWatermelon1/11/2017, 5:40:17 AM2 votes

You forgot the braindead centaur

Elisheva1/11/2017, 3:21:44 AM2 votes

The only cc she has that you can't dodge is her ultimate, and a lot of champions have ways of even getting around that. Nerf her for what, having cc?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1/11/2017, 10:40:55 AM2 votes

warrant kingdom Vi

jinxedchef1/10/2017, 11:16:59 PM1 votes

I don't like it when Riot double nerfs a champ. Can they not wait 1 patch to see how the jungle changes affect Shyvana to see if sh needs the W nerf as well? Sure she needs an adjustment but nerfing the jungle XP is going to hit her harder than ganking junglers.