How is lee op?

it's not that he's op, it's that his kit is over loaded and he just well rounded in just about everything. This causes him to edge out more niche picks due to his excessive reliability

Basically this is why he is considered OP.

He has high base damage meaning he can build full tank and still kill people easily. He has high sustain in jungle due to passive. He has two dashes that can be spammed. He can displace a person easily.

That's it. Honestly, 2 spammable dashes is kind of OP in current gameplay. If they removed ward jumping from W he would be much more balanced but would be much less useful due to the fact that Qing into someone then ward hopping behind them and kicking them into your team is like, his only use once 40-50 minutes into game unless he goes 100% tanky, which very few Lee Sin's do. Also in my wood 7 experience, most Lee Sins are really egotistical. I've yet to meet a nice one. Also they are usually nooby so it's fun getting caught out and then getting kicked to safety by them.

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double dash, high sustain, high damage, execute, good utility, snowballs incredibly well, strong early ganks, even stronger 6 ganks, manaless.

synergizes really well with sightstone since it grants him his main gap closer and he can control the jungle.

low win rate across all tiers despite high popularity will continue to save him from the nerf hammer

He aint. People calling him op are butthurt toplaners or low elo people copying w/e they read

How is lee op?

Lee Sin has an entire garage full of tools. He's pretty much always has a weakness in his opponents he can exploit, where the only real weakness you can exploit with him is trying to overpower him in that 1 thing you do really well.

Most champions simply don't have that many capabilities, leading them to do only few things well. By comparison Yorick pretty much just has a shovel to do anything - from raking leaves to cleaning out the pool, painting the fence to waxing a car, Lee Sin can run circles around him. Yorick only wins when it's a hole-digging contest. Odds are - it's not going to be a hole digging contest, and it's a lot harder to force 1 specific type of play than it is adapting to what's going on.

Being a jack of all trades, master of none is just extremely useful. It really limits counter-picking, making for a safe 1st~3rd pick in any picks/ban phase, which is a serious advantage when you consider a lot of champions do have fairly hard counters and lane match-ups.

A similar thing can be said about: All of which have been in a top 3 highest-priority spot for tournaments before.

Generally speaking, the most jack-of-all-trades champion in any given archetype is usually the one you see in pro-play as well. You're rarely going to see a fighter like Yorick that only does 1 thing alone (win lane,does nothing else), where seeing a fighter like Vi that's capable of doing pretty much everything any fighter can do is more common. At least in pro-play, as having no weaknesses your opponents can exploit, along with the tools to exploit your opponent's weaknesses, is generally a lot better than having a significant weakness and 1 weakness you can exploit.

Anyways - being able to go with the flow is why Lee is a significantly more popular pick at the pro level than most.

Crazy high base damage at all points in the game, crazy mobility, pretty good cc on top of that, 350 base movement speed for whatever reason, mixed damage with E which isn't much, but early on it really makes a difference, good sustain, extremely difficult to run away from, damn near impossible to kill, etc

He's not OP. Hes actually pretty weak right now. Its just popular to circlejerk about how OP he is for upvotes. Thats it

He's not

He can't carry games, doesn't tank very well, doesn't do enough damage, and doesn't have enough CC

He's a jack of all trades but that's not what you want in solo queue.

hes not op.....hes just good at dueling....most of his damage is single target, and if his single target abilities didn't hurt then he'll be completely useless.

I hate lee because of Riot's hypocritical policy

They nerfed Kha'Zix's q and r before World's, and the community cried that it was too much. Flash forward 3 months into World's they have the audacity to say "Kha'zix is getting the best of World's so we're gonna nerf him... AGAIN"

You know who was picked the most in World's? Kha'Zix

You know who had the lowest win rate? Kha'Zix

You know who was 2nd most picked? Lee Sin

You know who had the highest win rate? Lee sin

I hate, and I mean HATE how they FURTHER nerfed Kha'Zix's w cd AFTER World's while lee got off without anything. And now, Vi, J4 and Nidalee have nerfs on PBE, Lee gets off without anything.

He miraculously dodged every single nerf, and that pisses you off how hypocritical riot is.

P. S Buff my bug rito

I bought to answer this question myself. His kit is fun and taking anything out would be bad. I was never so dominant that I could 1 v 1 anyone but I could always escape. I mean always Escape. I get caught out and I just Q, or ward hop, or ult, or a combination. I don't even need to worry about missing skills cause, hey energy comes back quickly. His passive even gives back energy after using a skill.

Then when I was actually doing well I built 2 attack item, and was tanky due to sight stone and cleaver. This did not stop me from doing damage. I was able to spam my skills and get a few kills. I even lagged, pressed everything I had and when I reconnected I got 2 kills and ulted someone into baron pit.

Lee Sin is not a mega tank like or . Nor can he take down towers like , but unlike those champions he has no weakness. Unless you CC him then he will be able to kill and or get out. He is not the strongest but with no weakness to take advantage of, like a Fizz without his E or mana or Anivia without her passive or mana, so people call him OP.

He can counter jungle without any fear of being caught due to ward hop or Q to get away, and a slow to stop people from chasing.

His kit allows him to play really recklessly with zero consequence.

If he misses his Q, he can just ward hop to you and catch you with his slow.

If you catch him out he can kick you away, and ward hop the other way.

Is he super safe in teamfights? I guess not. Do teamfights hold much weight in solo queue? No they don't, coordination is lacking unless you're premade. It's picks and catching people out that wins games. If you have any competent lee, he's not going to get caught out, but he's really strong at catching someone else.

It's not that he is op it's that no one else has as much stuff in their kit to compete with lee.

He's easier to deal with than he once was. It's a problem of overloading. He has surprisingly good scaling, lots of utility, and gap closers, so it's pretty natural to think he's OP. But honestly, his win rate isn'y very good, and many just aren't good with him, so I wouldn't say he's op, but he can be really irritating.

I don't think that he is currently OP, strong for sure and viable but not OP.

He's not. He used to be. Awhile ago. He was strong, but not /to strong/ before they removed the AS slow on his E. Currently he's on the weaker side of balanced, but sheep will be sheep.

Also, a lot of people are butthurt that now you need to be a jungler to jungle. The fact that Janna/Teemo/Ez/Plenty of other champs can no longer survive in the jungle bothers people. In S4 you could soraka jungle just fine. Nowadays you need to play a jungler to jungle. Lee is a jungler, and atm people don't like those.

He's not OP. He's extremely annoying and unfun to play against, though.

He's not...not even close...which is why he's not played a lot in Master/Challenger and nobody complains about him outside of Bronze/Silver for whatever reason.

There are actually a lot of factors into why I consider Lee Sin overpowered.

First and foremost, his numbers. The amount of damage that Lee Sin can dish out is actually quite insane, and it gets even more insane if he actually itemizes damage (as in, building more like an assassin, instead of a bruiser). In fact, his burst is quite nearly on par with Talon's burst (the character with the #1 highest burst in the game), and he can dish it out almost as fast.

This is one of the reasons why I don't understand why people don't take Lee Sin midlane and just build him as an assassin, as he has pretty much the safety of zed, and does pretty much the same burst (I believe it is slightly less, if you want, I can show the math on it, but you would have to wait a bit), and he also has utility on top of that. Although, I do suppose that taking Lee Sin midlane does require a bit more skill (Lee Sin mid needs to hit his Q, if he sucks at landing his Q, then he will not win the lane) than taking Zed simply because of the way their respective kits work.

This is further compounded by the fact that even if he doesn't itemize much damage (as in, he builds more of a bruiser build), he still dishes out a fairly huge amount of damage, which is too much damage for your team to ignore him, but at the same time he is also too tanky for you to focus him, and too mobile to pin down (this aspect is lessened slightly lategame, but he is stil dealing enough damage that he is very threatening, but you are also unable to reliably focus him because he is both too tanky and too mobile).

Another reason why I feel that Lee Sin is overpowered is largely due to the counterplay associated with fighting him. A (good) Lee Sin is actually very hard to pin down and hit with skill shots, and it is very hard to catch a Lee Sin out of position, largely due to the sheer amount of mobility built into his kit, but it is also due to the amount of utility that is also present in his kit (a knockback that also knocks up enemies that are hit by the champion that was knocked back, and a potent aoe slow). Taking these factors into account basically means that Lee Sin always has the advantage, uless the Lee Sin player HIMSELF makes a mistake. This means that defeating Lee Sin relies on how good the enemy player is, but not really on how good you are at playing your champion (now, this doesn't mean that your skill-level at playing your champion doesn't play a factor in determining whether you can defeat that Lee Sin player, but it does mean that it is contributing significantly less then it would be if you were facing most other champions).

Because of reasons that the average boards user will never experience since it requires a really high elo

I think he's overrated at the moment. He was top of the top in S4 but right now with all the jungle nerfs and the warrior nerf, also considering next patches ciderhulk or whatever the items called I think he's in the most balanced spot a champ with a kit like that can be.

He's only reliable if you're high diamond or up imo where you can play it near his max potential.

Boards have been circle-jerking around lee for a long time, most of the time it was justified, right now (since the jungle changes) it isn't. His popularity even dropped in LCS by a huge margin. Even a slight nerf further will push him to around 42% winrate if it happens imo.

I do realize this is a really unpopular opinion right now. People are usually slow on the QQ train (hello bruiser fizz)