It's incredibly frustrating how impossible it is to talk to developers here about balance changes

Support Evelynn·Oct 2, 2015·60 votes·4,808 views

Unless they want to talk about it.

I've been trying desperately to get some response from meddler or any Rioter involved with balance to discuss the Evelynn nerfs on PBE. Making huge threads here, trying to contact them personally and even using the PBE forums I simply can not get their attention at all. They're obviously avoiding it, they don't want to discuss these changes because they know they want to cripple the champion without worrying about how the champion will play after they do it, they're doing what they said they'd stop doing.

And why would they listen to me anyways? Well because I'm an incredibly dedicated Eve main

http://puu.sh/kw9jR/ae184ad589.jpg

It would make me feel so much better that if I could at least feel like my input was getting through, that they'd care about such a dedicated player's opinion about a certain change and maybe at least CONSIDER it. But nothing, I can't even remotely get a word out of them.

127 Comments

SquibauntoOct 2, 201511 votes

I've not seen Eve in any Worlds games so far and as far as solo Q I may have seen her once or twice. I feel like she's in a spot she needs to be in right now. A 40 mana on W right now will devastate her.

EssilynOct 2, 20159 votes

Riot has moved on from the phase where they work with players to make a great game. They're real professionals now, only their staff's opinions matter. Talk to the hand, I can't hear you over the sound of the mouse clicks confirming RP purchases in the store, they say. Very saddening...

lolipopevelynnOct 3, 20153 votes

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Riot has moved on from the phase where they work with players to make a great game. They're real professionals now, only their staff's opinions matter. Talk to the hand, I can't hear you over the sound of the mouse clicks confirming RP purchases in the store, they say. Very saddening...

they did revert that worlds patch eve nerf on pbe tho. but its clear that they REALLY want to nerf her again... this nerf might go through this time, and if it does then that will be the nail in the coffin for eve unless some contribution buff goes live for her.

the mentality of "if a main of xxxx champ is too good with xxxx champ then xxxx champ will be nerfed into the ground untill even mains no longer want to play xxxx champ" needs to go...

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20155 votes

why do people insist on throwing there rank around as if that actually matters with balance? most of the goons on the balance team arnt even in plat anyway.

MiraweaveOct 2, 201522 votes

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why do people insist on throwing there rank around as if that actually matters with balance? most of the goons on the balance team arnt even in plat anyway.

Because higher ranked players generally know more about the game and are more skilled than lower ranked players, which is why they're higher ranked.

In this case, Crabby's opinion is worth more than the average opinion on the topic of Evelynn because he's much more skilled at the game and more experienced on the champion than the vast majority of players.

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20154 votes

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Because higher ranked players generally know more about the game than lower ranked players.

that couldnt be any more false. the main thing that seprates mid elo from higher elo is game mechanics, not game knowledge... you people need to stop confusing gameplay mechanics with actual gameplay knowledge.

diamond 5 players are the most conceited player base in this community.

MiraweaveOct 2, 201515 votes

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that couldnt be any more false. the main thing that seprates mid elo from higher elo is game mechanics, not game knowledge... you people need to stop confusing gameplay mechanics with actual gameplay knowledge.

That's a pretty common argument that low tier players like to use to try to make themselves feel superior to better players.

The fact is, if someone's higher ranked, they're better. Game knowledge is a part of that: you can't climb knowing nothing about the game.

Let's put this concretely: what's a piece of "game knowledge" that you think the average Diamond player doesn't understand better than the average Bronze player?

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20155 votes

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That's a pretty common argument that low tier players like to use to try to make themselves feel superior to better players.

The fact is, if someone's higher ranked, they're better. Game knowledge is a part of that: you can't climb knowing nothing about the game.

Let's put this concretely: what's a piece of "game knowledge" that you think the average Diamond player doesn't understand better than the average Bronze player?

people like you is a prime example of everything that is wrong with leagues community. even the Starcraft community isnt that elitist and ive played that game for many year thinking it was the worst gaming community on the planet. i was so wrong, league makes SC2 elitists look like kittens. atleast in SC and SC2 there were reasonable discussions and fact showing to the elitism, here its just "im diamond, you suck. case closed" and thats the high point of a diamond players argument.

you should feel bad.

as for the last bit of your post, the eve nerf is a prime example really. ANY eve main knows the exact reason why this nerf shouldnt go through, not just a diamond player.

MiraweaveOct 2, 20159 votes

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people like you is a prime example of everything that is wrong with leagues community. even the Starcraft community isnt that elitist and ive played that game for many year thinking it was the worst gaming community on the planet. i was so wrong, league makes SC2 elitists look like kittens. atleast in SC and SC2 there were reasonable discussions and fact showing to the elitism, here its just "im diamond, you suck. case closed" and thats the high point of a diamond players argument.

you should feel bad.

as for the last bit of your post, the eve nerf is a prime example really. ANY eve main knows the exact reason why this nerf shouldnt go through, not just a diamond player.

So you think there's no difference in skill between tiers?

Because it's one or the other. Either higher tier players are better, or they're not.

WHICH ONE IS IT?

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20152 votes

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So you think there's no difference in skill between tiers?

Because it's one or the other. Either higher tier players are better, or they're not.

WHICH ONE IS IT?

How about answering me this since you obviously dont get it.

what knowledge of the game do you have that i do not?

ModJikkerOct 2, 201512 votes

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How about answering me this since you obviously dont get it.

what knowledge of the game do you have that i do not?

I can recite most of the League wiki but that does nothing to help me ingame. I can run the numbers, but the actual decision making, knowing where to position and how, having that gut knowledge of whether or not you can get a kill on a gank or even when to gank -- this is the game knowledge that separates low from high. My physical game knowledge is great and I've been told my mechanics are mostly sound. So why am I Silver IV? Because my decision making is awful, my rotations are bad, my shot calling does nothing, I fail to outplay in the mind games.

How did C9 beat AHQ? It wasn't solely mechanics or "OP" champs. Hai's shotcalling was superior, their decisions were better. AHQ had the mechanics, but C9 had the superior game knowledge.

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20151 votes

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I can recite most of the League wiki but that does nothing to help me ingame. I can run the numbers, but the actual decision making, knowing where to position and how, having that gut knowledge of whether or not you can get a kill on a gank or even when to gank -- this is the game knowledge that separates low from high. My physical game knowledge is great and I've been told my mechanics are mostly sound. So why am I Silver IV? Because my decision making is awful, my rotations are bad, my shot calling does nothing, I fail to outplay in the mind games.

How did C9 beat AHQ? It wasn't solely mechanics or "OP" champs. Hai's shotcalling was superior, their decisions were better. AHQ had the mechanics, but C9 had the superior game knowledge.

game knowledge and being able to pull off that knowledge in the heat of a game are different things. having the knowledge to pull off a gank a certain way or position a certain way is different from actually doing it

EnosetcOct 2, 201512 votes

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game knowledge and being able to pull off that knowledge in the heat of a game are different things. having the knowledge to pull off a gank a certain way or position a certain way is different from actually doing it

who should be listened to in this case, though?

the person who knows the answer? or the person who knows the answer and can show their work?

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20153 votes

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who should be listened to in this case, though?

the person who knows the answer? or the person who knows the answer and can show their work?

Riot explained many times that they listen to ALL elo levels, from the lowest of the low to the highest of the high. INFACT they listen to the lower elo player base more than the higher elo player base because that is the majority.

ALL IM SAYING IS you are wasting your fucking time throwing around your rank and game number with a certain champ. they do not care about that.

EnosetcOct 2, 201512 votes

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Riot explained many times that they listen to ALL elo levels, from the lowest of the low to the highest of the high. INFACT they listen to the lower elo player base more than the higher elo player base because that is the majority.

they may hear what every elo has to say, but if they listened to the lower elos more, annie, zed, riven and yasuo wouldn't be complained about on this board on a near-daily basis

because they'd already be gutted

lolipopevelynnOct 2, 20151 votes

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they may hear what every elo has to say, but if they listened to the lower elos more, annie, zed, riven and yasuo wouldn't be complained about on this board on a near-daily basis

because they'd already be gutted

this thread is about 40 man on eves W dude, you dont need to be a diamond eve main to know this will gut eve....

EnosetcOct 2, 20156 votes

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this thread is about 40 man on eves W dude, you dont need to be a diamond eve main to know this will gut eve....

op isn't saying "i'm diamond, therefore i'm more right about this"

he wants to talk about a better way to accomplish riot's goals (making eve more mana gated) and is saying he has the credentials to do so

EndogenicOct 2, 201521 votes

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How about answering me this since you obviously dont get it.

what knowledge of the game do you have that i do not?

Not being trash at the game for starters.

T RexHasTinyArmsOct 3, 20151 votes

So while I don't really think the OP has anything really approaching a willingness to have a discussion let me point out a slight issue w/ this response.

Regardless of OP being right, wrong, or a complete idiot, the post that just insults him w/out contributing much to the discussion has more up votes than the one below which explains a good reason why on average higher elo players have a more in depth knowledge and explanation of something than lower elo players. My mechanics are shit, but my understanding of game theory is decent so I can probably keep up w/ or give a better explanation than a lot of higher rank gold players, and probably some plat players, but I'd bet most diamond players have better insight into lol than I do, bc even if they're very mechanics based they know a whole lot about the match ups, mechanics, and team fighting/split pushing of their mains.

However, instead of politely discussing the merits or lack of merits to man low elo questions/assertions, the community has become more derogatory and insulting. I recently made a few posts asking for feed back on play style/approaches to certain champions and had very little response (almost nothing contributing to it, and mostly just "yeah that sounds good" or "scrub that's trash" w/ no explanation of why I should do something different, and often not even a suggestion to do anything different), and when I first started on the boards, conversations in tips & tricks almost always got feedback to try and help the player.

Maybe it was just bad timing or random chance, but the boards community seems to be shifting to more of a circle jerk complaint about champs that stomp low elo, meme generator, and frustration w/ riot board, rather than trying to help players improve. I think as a community we should aspire to more than this, but that's just me.

EnosetcOct 2, 201521 votes

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Let's put this concretely: what's a piece of "game knowledge" that you think the average Diamond player doesn't understand better than the average Bronze player?

knowing how to circlejerk on g&b

LOL SpammerOct 3, 20151 votes

Although rank is no reason to downtalk lower elo players.

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20159 votes

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that couldnt be any more false. the main thing that seprates mid elo from higher elo is game mechanics, not game knowledge... you people need to stop confusing gameplay mechanics with actual gameplay knowledge.

diamond 5 players are the most conceited player base in this community.

I'd argue game knowledge and decision making is more important than mechanics when climbing, even up to diamond.

MiraweaveOct 2, 20154 votes

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I'd argue game knowledge and decision making is more important than mechanics when climbing, even up to diamond.

Yeah but the bronzies don't want to accept that Diamond players are actually better than them at the game.

But overall you basically just need both. If you've got great mechanics and terrible game knowledge, you'll be able to climb a bit playing champions who do everything but are difficult to pull off (like Azir, Azir, or Azir). If you've got the mechanics of a slug and amazing game knowledge you can climb by playing mechanically simple champions perfectly (Annie, Ashe, etc.).

Overall I agree though, except for very mechanically intense champions, your understanding of the game is more important than your mechanics.

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20153 votes

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Yeah but the bronzies don't want to accept that Diamond players are actually better than them at the game.

There's a reason why there's lots of scripters stuck in silver/gold, challenger level mechanics don't mean anything if you play like an idiot.

T RexHasTinyArmsOct 3, 20151 votes

I think throwing the rank around as the be all end all of skill/experience can be an issue, but the game number and his success is definitely a demonstration of expertise regarding the particular subject matter of Eve. Often rank is thrown around as an overly broad justification for assertions regarding the "right" play and this can be an issue on the board. OP may be over reacting bc of the general trend, and that's pretty short sighted and foolish, but it does bring up a good point about the validity of citing ranked on G&B or T&T. I think for the most part that discussion has been derailed in this thread by OP being defensive and not having the discussion, and that is fairly sad. There are a lot of times where rank may indicate skill/knowledge worth listening to, but there are also times where it doesn't and is used that way anyway. For instance I could teach any silver or bronze player a few things about Heimerdinger, and probably teach some higher golds and plats who play him but have much better mechanics than me. However, a mid/low silver player probably can teach you more about ADC than me bc I don't like the role and never really practice/learn it so an ADC main who's studied it but doesn't have great mechanics is probably more knowledgeable than me even as a much lower elo player.

Popstar AhriOct 2, 20152 votes

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why do people insist on throwing there rank around as if that actually matters with balance? most of the goons on the balance team arnt even in plat anyway.

you are low elo, you are part of the top 68% playerbase, stop comparing it to a diamond 5 which is part of the 2.5% top playerbase in game. There is a reason why people get better game knowledge and better mechanics from bronze - challenger.

Shadow WalkOct 3, 20155 votes

#SaveEvelynn

SaixosOct 2, 20153 votes

I think Meddler is on the Champion Design team, and the people with the Eve changes are the Live Balance team. Would make sense for him not to comment on it.

I personally think you're exaggerating the scope of the Eve changes somewhat - I personally think that Eve is slightly strong at the moment, though she's not the strongest, and it kinda feels right to me that her w costs mana. She has a passive for regenerating mana, and runeglaive to regenerate mana, both scaling with missing mana - and runeglaive gives additional mana, making it more effective.

I think it's likely that live balance wants to see the impact once it hits live and they can analyse their data - it's been said that one day of live gives them more data than a month of PBE or something. I don't think it will have that big of a change though personally.

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20156 votes

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I think Meddler is on the Champion Design team, and the people with the Eve changes are the Live Balance team. Would make sense for him not to comment on it.

I personally think you're exaggerating the scope of the Eve changes somewhat - I personally think that Eve is slightly strong at the moment, though she's not the strongest, and it kinda feels right to me that her w costs mana. She has a passive for regenerating mana, and runeglaive to regenerate mana, both scaling with missing mana - and runeglaive gives additional mana, making it more effective.

I think it's likely that live balance wants to see the impact once it hits live and they can analyse their data - it's been said that one day of live gives them more data than a month of PBE or something. I don't think it will have that big of a change though personally.

Runeglaive only works on monsters.

And trust me, I've already tested these on PBE and it's absolutely horrible. It makes non runeglaive options impossible to use if you plan on ganking, it makes early skirmishes death wishes. The cost is just too much for how small her pool is early and how much she spams it due to the double reset mechanic.

And meddler already left a little comment but refuses to respond further.

The Yetii RiderOct 3, 20152 votes

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Runeglaive only works on monsters.

And trust me, I've already tested these on PBE and it's absolutely horrible. It makes non runeglaive options impossible to use if you plan on ganking, it makes early skirmishes death wishes. The cost is just too much for how small her pool is early and how much she spams it due to the double reset mechanic.

And meddler already left a little comment but refuses to respond further.

Well...then it's a nerf to Cinderhulk Eve but not Runeglaive Eve. Sounds fair to me. Tank assassins shouldn't be a thing anyway.

As for Warrior Eve, she should sacrifice something for the early game power. Building Warrior should have a risk associated with it.

Devourer Eve? She already has BoRK for MS, she doesn't need a spammable slow removal too.

PyrodiniumOct 2, 20155 votes

Meddler commented previously that he had assumed some of Morello's responsibility within the Design team.

LlaniteOct 2, 20153 votes

Same reason why you cannot request a meeting with Obama. They get nothing from seeing you.

Considering a software developer is being paid $40 an hour, they're not gonna waste the time, unless you represent a large group of accredited people.

Besides, let me predict what's the meeting is gonna be. "According to xxx that was provided by me, I hereby request the nerfs be reverted unconditionally".

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20154 votes

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Same reason why you cannot request a meeting with Obama. They get nothing from seeing you.

You wanted their time, wanted to revert the nerfs, what do they get in return? Unless you can gather a large crowd, your word carries zero weight.

It's something called good PR, showing that you're willing to discuss with your playerbase is great.

Also large crowd eh?

http://puu.sh/kwcjg/8bbc086a11.jpg

FlashnFuseOct 3, 20153 votes

Be careful man, I think the only message getting through is your ranked 3's team name :/

But on a serious note, I empathize with trying to protect your favorite champion and I'd recommend writing a big long post with how you think evelynn should be changed. Try stating what you feel her strengths and weaknesses are, and how you would change her into a more nicely defined and rounded off champion.

Blade of JusticOct 2, 20152 votes

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We believe Eve should be somewhat more mana gated than she is at present, now that Runeglaive's in the game. We don't want to create a situation where she's OOM all the time, but adding some cost (as opposed to the current free) to the W, thereby limiting either its use or her use of other spells a bit, is we think appropriate.

Power wise we also believe Eve's too strong at present in regular (non professional) play. We don't make changes driven purely by statistics (we aim for data informed, not data driven's). Eve's certainly right up there in terms of raw win rate though, with from memory the 4th or 5th highest winrate in the game at present when comparing champions as played by people with substantial experience on them. Eve's got a pretty steep mastery curve, so if her overall performance looks average it often means that her performance when played well is excessive even for someone on a champion they've played a lot (a phenomena also strongly demonstrated by other champs like Azir and Le Blanc who, if they're showing a 50% win rate in solo queue, are almost certainly very overpowered).

It's from this thread.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bKd1UWQl-meddler-can-we-please-get-some-context-on-the-eve-nerfs?comment=0003

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20156 votes

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It's from this thread.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bKd1UWQl-meddler-can-we-please-get-some-context-on-the-eve-nerfs?comment=0003

And you can see how very unpopular that response was. I'm looking for an actual discussion not just "lol we're gutting her cuz people r good with her bai".

He's afraid to comment further despite outrage, I wonder why.

Blade of JusticOct 2, 20152 votes

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And you can see how very unpopular that response was. I'm looking for an actual discussion not just "lol we're gutting her cuz people r good with her bai".

While I really really really really really don't want these nerfs to go in, I wouldn't hold your breath on a response.

After that last reply, Meddler is more than likely avoiding posting anything about Evelynn.

Rioters in the past had said numerous times that if they feel like the thread is on a "Witch Hunt", they won't post since it won't do any good.

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Blade of Justic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7by92is,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-10-02T20:00:59.614+0000)

While I really really really really really don't want these nerfs to go in, I wouldn't hold your breath on a response.

After that last reply, Meddler is more than likely avoiding posting anything about Evelynn.

Rioters in the past had said numerous times that if they feel like the thread is on a "Witch Hunt", they won't post since it won't do any good.

If Riot can't talk to the most dedicated of their playerbase, who can they talk to? It leaves such a horrible taste in my mouth that I can't even discuss the changes for a couple mins with the guy.

Blade of JusticOct 2, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7by92is,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-10-02T20:02:55.654+0000)

If Riot can't talk to the most dedicated of their playerbase, who can they talk to? It leaves such a horrible taste in my mouth that I can't even discuss the changes for a couple mins with the guy.

What can I say? Some changes are negotiable and some Riot is willing to just push through without asking the community, "Hey, how do you guys feel about X's power currently? And how would YOU fix it?"

TrylobyteOct 2, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7by92is,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-10-02T20:02:55.654+0000)

If Riot can't talk to the most dedicated of their playerbase, who can they talk to? It leaves such a horrible taste in my mouth that I can't even discuss the changes for a couple mins with the guy.

I don't mean to be rude, but Meddler explained why they were making the change in the post linked above. Just because the boards don't like his explanation doesn't mean he has to come post a new one. What's he going to say that's different?

ZT XperimentorOct 2, 20152 votes

Reminds me of . . . http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/KhcvQBlG-mordekaiser-change-summary-feedback-thread?sort_type=best&comment=0002000000000000

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5yRgRUAo-riotscruffy-riotrepertoir-can-we-get-some-reassurance-that-morde-will-still-be-looked-at?comment=0000

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xAQNiqjw-i-never-wanted-a-champion-rework-to-fail-but?comment=0022000200000003000000000000

HexaDecimelOct 2, 20152 votes

114 downvotes does not represent the opinion of the millions of people that play this game, only a very small and vocal minority.

Support EvelynnOct 2, 20153 votes

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114 downvotes does not represent the opinion of the millions of people that play this game, only a very small and vocal minority.

Most people in this game don't have a vested interest in the game's balance either.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 3, 20152 votes

Hmmmmmmmmmm...

Diamond 5 player mains Eve...

Asks for her not to be nerfed...

Seems like an impartial player-judge to me.

In all seriousness, in my eyes, the Eve nerfs look like nerfs that go are making up for the huge spike Eve got from Runeglaive and Rylai's. Having such great sticking power (Rylai's), plus the ability to GO INVISIBLE EXTREMELY REGULARLY, plus a jungle enchant literally made for her class (Runeglaive), makes for a very powerful champion when used well, as you probably know.

Support EvelynnOct 3, 20152 votes

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Hmmmmmmmmmm...

Diamond 5 player mains Eve...

Asks for her not to be nerfed...

Seems like an impartial player-judge to me.

In all seriousness, in my eyes, the Eve nerfs look like nerfs that go are making up for the huge spike Eve got from Runeglaive and Rylai's. Having such great sticking power (Rylai's), plus the ability to GO INVISIBLE EXTREMELY REGULARLY, plus a jungle enchant literally made for her class (Runeglaive), makes for a very powerful champion when used well, as you probably know.

I'm not saying to NOT NERF EVE, I'm saying that these nerfs are not ideal to curb her power and only serves to make the champion feel bad to play.

Dextix LTOct 3, 20152 votes

They wont listen anyways, no matter what you are maining, morde and cass mains learned that the hard way.

KING OF MASKSOct 3, 20151 votes

https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/gallery/529281_200x130.png Just because they're not responding to you directly doesn't mean they aren't considering your feedback.

Pika310Oct 3, 20151 votes

Yet at the same time, they know remaining silent will just cause threads like this one to appear. This is not the first time. Take it from a Sona player: Riot is not reading these forums and they are not considering feedback. They haven't for a very long time now.

KING OF MASKSOct 3, 20152 votes

It's quite literally impossible for us to know whether or not they aren't considering feedback, at least when they don't communicate. We do know that they aren't acting on it, though... which I guess amounts to the same thing, at least for us.

Pika310Oct 10, 20151 votes

My thoughts exactly, but the problem becomes exponentially worse when we have Rioters saying things like this:

I'm working on finding a balance of making sure you all know that we are listening while letting the discussion actually exist without me. Also need to improve communication that Sona isn't forgotten,

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2n8M8JVj-riot-fearless-what-was-sona-made-for?comment=0003000300000002

Here we are over a year after he said this. His words have yet to come true.