Eve's winrate has actually DROPPED with her latest "buffs"

Support Evelynn·Mar 28, 2015·87 votes·6,117 views

I'm gonna let that sink in a bit.

91 Comments

NilokMar 28, 201522 votes

Sounds like Riot's real plan is to call everything a buff so we don't complain about nerfs.

How Do You MetaMar 28, 201533 votes

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Sounds like Riot's real plan is to call everything a buff so we don't complain about nerfs.

"Better buff Irelia"

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Linna ExcelMar 28, 20152 votes

Nooooooooooooooo! She's the only real toplaner I can play.

WukongMainMar 28, 201510 votes

you do realize bad people hear "buff" and instantly play that champion in ranked right? = false winrate

Support EvelynnMar 28, 201537 votes

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you do realize bad people hear "buff" and instantly play that champion in ranked right? = false winrate

Her pick rate hasn't increased. And historically it's incredibly uncommon for champion winrates to go down after what are supposed to be buffs.

WukongMainMar 28, 20151 votes

maybe less good people are picking her and more bad people are picking her?

im fully convinced the problem lays not with Evelynn but with the other strong picks like Sejuani and Vi.

they just outshine Evelynn at everything at the moment.

Support EvelynnMar 28, 201512 votes

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maybe less good people are picking her and more bad people are picking her?

im fully convinced the problem lays not with Evelynn but with the other strong picks like Sejuani and Vi.

they just outshine Evelynn at everything at the moment.

Sej and the tank meta are indeed a problem for Eve, don't get me wrong. But these changes were a nerf to her early game, there's simply no debate there. And I mean it's not like these changes came just when sej was becoming popular.

WukongMainMar 28, 20151 votes

thats true, but i was just using sej as an example :). there's just so many current "meta junglers" that do better than evelynn.

think back to when Eve was popular, there were alot less tanks then weren't there?

Support EvelynnMar 28, 20157 votes

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thats true, but i was just using sej as an example :). there's just so many current "meta junglers" that do better than evelynn.

think back to when Eve was popular, there were alot less tanks then weren't there?

Yah but this isn't a discussion on "better" junglers, I main who I main and that's Eve. Before these changes Eve was sitting at a 46-50% win ratio depending on the rank, and she has dropped 2-3% across the board in ranked since these changes were implemented. It simply has crippled her ability to snowball too much, she needs something at this point.

WukongMainMar 28, 20151 votes

but has your win-rate with her decreased? if it did, maybe there's a new way to build her? have you tried different builds with her :D

Support EvelynnMar 28, 20156 votes

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but has your win-rate with her decreased? if it did, maybe there's a new way to build her? have you tried different builds with her :D

Yes it has and no there isn't. These changes simply affected her early game and late game MS. I was thinking of running like MS quints and some utility masteries to make up for it but I dunno.

WukongMainMar 28, 20151 votes

i dont understand how movement speed would affect a champion in such a negative way...

Arcane AzmadiMar 28, 201510 votes

When a champion has absolutely no CC other than their ult (and the CC on their ult is honestly piss-weak) their only way to contribute anything to a fight (as opposed to being kited unto death) is to maintain their own mobility. To tell you a little secret, I was NEVER a fan of the Evelynn remake in the first place because she remained a gank-focused jungler who now had bugger-all ability to actually GANK properly. Moving fast and putting out damage is pretty much all she has (compared to CC-fountains like Nautilus, Zac and Sejuani) so slowing her down is pretty much giving her the Veigar treatment.

WukongMainMar 28, 20151 votes

wouldn't picking her into a team with heavy cc be good then? (by into i mean your team) like Maybe a Maokai top, LuLu mid, Jinx adc and leona support? (Just examples) Eve could leech off her team high amount of cc allowing movement speed to not be a issue?

She could even build merc treads so she wont be cc'd for long.. randuins so she could slow her enemies... Triforce to gain the phage passive movement speed.

wouldn't these solve the problem? her teams strengths to cover for her weaknesses.

FirstSergeantBimMar 28, 20153 votes

Okay, so you're asking if they'll solve her problem, and they very well may. However, I'm asking what what are you sacrificing to solve an issue she shouldn't have?

Why pick Eve when you can pick any number of more useful champions. Right now she just doesn't offer enough to outclass other picks. You pick Eve because she's your favorite champion and you're playing normals. You don't pick Eve to win games.

Support EvelynnMar 28, 20152 votes

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Why pick Eve when you can pick any number of more useful champions. Right now she just doesn't offer enough to outclass other picks. You pick Eve because she's your favorite champion and you're playing normals. You don't pick Eve to win games.

You've got to be joking rofl. Trying to claim that Eve is not viable in solo queue? Before they gutted her W this patch I would have considered her one of the BEST assassin junglers in the roster. And even if she wasn't so hot that doesn't make her unviable for solo queue.

I've hit plat with Evelynn, and you're stuck in silver with your OP champions. Says a lot doesn't it?

Sightless66Mar 28, 20154 votes

That just means you are skilled with her. People have reached challenger with literally every single champion, and oftentimes with joke builds too. That doesn't mean every champion is great.

Eve is viable in that she can win games if a player is good with her. Eve isn't viable in that a hypothetical person equally skilled with all champions could probably win with other champions significantly more often than with Eve, and could win with other champions more often than Eve even in Eve's ideal situations.

DemiluniSMar 28, 20152 votes

I really don't get your attacks on other people for claiming other champions are better than eve, since it's pretty true. I used to main eve in season 3 and 4 and she used to be my favorite champion since I started playing, but over those years she got nerfed too much, and I simply don't feel any satisfaction playing her anymore, they made her kit into a mess, and doesn't feel guilty for nerfing her W now, the last thing that was untouched after her rework.

TourianMar 28, 20153 votes

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Yah but this isn't a discussion on "better" junglers, I main who I main and that's Eve. Before these changes Eve was sitting at a 46-50% win ratio depending on the rank, and she has dropped 2-3% across the board in ranked since these changes were implemented. It simply has crippled her ability to snowball too much, she needs something at this point.

Elise has been at like 40 percent, you don't get to talk.

Adrian UmbraMar 28, 20154 votes

Riot's strategy for addressing both has been quite inconsistent and paranoid as fuck. But at least Elise's current "buffs" didn't hit her down TO Elise's current level. Neither is in a good place and Riot really needs to be less "slow and steady" about their buffs, but just because one is in a really bad place and the other is in a slightly better place doesn't mean we get to talk about the slightly better one, especially when "buffs" hurt the slightly better one.

How Do You MetaMar 28, 201550 votes

Riot called Veigar's reworks a buff, and look what happened to him.

DemiluniSMar 28, 20155 votes

Riot never called veigar's changes a buff and mentioned it a few time that they can't simply increase the numbers with the play pattern he had

Pvt Yong TaiMar 28, 201517 votes

Yes. Yes they did.

"Compensatory Buffs", as they were called.

You know, for the removal of DFG?
But then some pro player played Veig as a support and they were all, "fuck naw"

blueberrypancakeMar 28, 20152 votes

It was actually a first pick in korea with a very high ban rate,,,

Koreans know more than you do

Rew711Mar 28, 20156 votes

That's prejudice.

Major SparklesMar 29, 20152 votes

Everyone forgets about my Mordekaiser compensation buffs. :(

redbull papiMar 29, 20152 votes

Mordekaiser still tearing up Bronze V

LuciferMar 28, 20152 votes

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Her pick rate hasn't increased. And historically it's incredibly uncommon for champion winrates to go down after what are supposed to be buffs.

Veigar would like a word with you.

BolwinkelMar 28, 20152 votes

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Her pick rate hasn't increased. And historically it's incredibly uncommon for champion winrates to go down after what are supposed to be buffs.

Like Veigar!

GlamazonMar 28, 20151 votes

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you do realize bad people hear "buff" and instantly play that champion in ranked right? = false winrate

This guy is right... The buff was relatively minor but it draws attention of the bads. Not surprised her winrate dropped. Let that sink in.

KilljoyXMar 30, 20151 votes

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This guy is right... The buff was relatively minor but it draws attention of the bads. Not surprised her winrate dropped. Let that sink in.

Her pick rate went down. It drew the attention of no one. She now sits at the 5th lowest win rate in league.

TheDrácoMar 28, 20157 votes

Its because Riot is retarded and dont understand how stealth champs work. They thrive off the early game where the counterplay of item 2043 is minimal. Then they fall off harder and harder as the game goes on and people start getting item 3341 item 3362 .

Nerfing her early game ganking was really dumb to do in the first place, and the earlier passive stealth at high level will do nothing because counterplay is more readily available at that stage of the game.

SEKAIMar 28, 20157 votes

I like Riot's definition of "compensation", why isn't Riot running government?

KilljoyXMar 28, 20156 votes

If anyone thinks that removing 80MS on an auto resetting on kill/assist ability for a slightly lower CD is a buff I have bad news for you.

KaisadiIIaMar 28, 20155 votes

In fact, RIOT thought it was a buff...

NilokMar 28, 20157 votes

Riot thinks a lot of things are 'buffs' these days. Maybe they don't know their own game like they think they do.

Bard was designed with the help of a lot of top level players and we saw how he turned out on release. Maybe they shouldn't focus so much on designing for LCS players.

Loken StoneheartMar 28, 20153 votes

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Riot thinks a lot of things are 'buffs' these days. Maybe they don't know their own game like they think they do.

Bard was designed with the help of a lot of top level players and we saw how he turned out on release. Maybe they shouldn't focus so much on designing for LCS players.

Maybe. Just maybe... Balancing around esports (and more importantly, balancing to make the game fun to watch and not play) is a terrible idea for a healthy and fun game.

AnidanMar 29, 20152 votes

Balancing around the spectating of esports is what's really the most harmful part. The other problem is that they don't tend to do it amazingly well, either.

DotA2 tends to balance around high level tournament play (hence why you'll see someone like Wisp with a really low winrate in normals, but a solid winrate in tourneys), not high level tournament spectatorship, or pubs, or anything.

But, DotA2 is a different game, so yeah. I honestly think Riot should balance around high level play, not spectators. I don't care how flashy Zed's combos are, or anyone else's for that matter, if I'm seeing them for the umpteenth time in the same damn tourney because no one can actually bully him out properly and keep him down.

Arcane AzmadiMar 29, 20152 votes

You ever get the feeling that Riot should perhaps keep their hands off champion balance and leave it to people better qualified for the job like, say, the work experience kid?

manbearswineMar 28, 20156 votes

No no,her winrate dropped because of dfg removal,she just got compensated to help her as she can't build it anymore.

Kappa

Br4ndonMar 28, 20154 votes

That sink is always trying to get in

Loken StoneheartMar 28, 20154 votes

Its called "compensation," thank you. They compensated her, just like they did Veigar :3

Linna ExcelMar 28, 20152 votes

Its called "compensation," thank you.

I don't think that means what riot thinks that it means.

TheTyeGuyMar 29, 20153 votes

http://i.imgur.com/MDhbuT6.jpg

What the fuck does he want this time?

zzuitMar 29, 20151 votes

SìelMar 28, 20152 votes

There was a thread not that long ago where the few Eve mains that still exist stated how the change is a pretty big nerf to her "W" and how it diminished her gameplay.

TenSlashTenMar 28, 20152 votes

Yeah she's worthless now I've stopped playing her completely. I put in 10 games after her "BUFF"(gutting of W) And its too hard. Riot hates my oldest jungle main right next to nunu. I've gone back to j4/nunu/shyvana now. RIP AP tank evelynn jungle/Full tank evelynn jungle. You gave me 4+ years of fun.

MarshallBanannaMar 28, 20152 votes

"buffs"

i don't even play eve, hell i don't even like her, but even i could tell just from reading it that it's a nerf

Kuroi86Mar 29, 20152 votes

The change to Eve's W would be great!

If it didn't still have a 15 second cooldown and said ability only really being useful when trying to train down a target as opposed to, "more 'hit-and-run' pattern, giving her more control in bursts"

Sadly, Eve's kit doesn't have much "burst", and the idea of trying to run in and out of fights to drop an E-Q before running away and hoping you're not CC locked and blown up is laughable.

I love Riot, I love Eve, but she is going to need a full on rework if Riot wants her to be able to play "Hit and run."

She's a squishy assassin, that means one of two fighting styles, either burst em, or train em down.

Hit and run, simply doesn't exist.