Nidalee gutting where?
http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle
61% winrate with people who have 125+ games
Edit:
Since people are wondering where the quote is from:
TheUltimateSpear67 votesMore like "we won't buff Evelynn because people with a lot of experience on her managed to break a 50% win rate."
I agree that that's massive bullshit though.
Wyrmblade36 votesOne trick ponies play underused, pretty weak champ and drive the winrate up because they're the only ones playing.
Riot nerfs champion for how strong one trick ponies are for it.
Now new players have to play as well as the one trick ponies at the champion to have a chance at winning with it.
I shouldn't have to explain why Riot's balance team needs to be replaced.
Civet1014 votesactually, for swain and fiddlesticks, they were nerfed because they have very unhealthy kits, and are in need of a rework. swain and fiddle's playstyles are pretty much "numbers" at people, aka press targeted abilities, either you die or they die, with little interaction on either side, counterplay, or engaging gameplay. If they got strong, that would probably be pretty bad for the game
TotalJerk10 votesNo, Fiddlesticks' issue is basically "Are they properly maintaining vision? Do they stay away from the walls I can ult over? Then I'm worthless". People don't seem to want to admit that Fiddlesticks' kit is shit and that the only way he can be pickworthy is through shitty soloQ habits or outright being OP. Even from a gameplay perspective the only thing remotely fun or interesting about him is his ult.
Looknook9 votesYou basically just proved Civet10's point that Fiddlesticks' kit is unhealthy and needs a rework and is why Fiddlesticks was nerfed.
Wyrmblade4 votesRiot didn't rework Fiddle much with the mage update and pretty much outright said that they think his kit is okay.
If champions can get nerfed for having unhealthy kits then Fizz would make Yorick look good.
KING 5HARK2 votesIf champions can get nerfed for having unhealthy kits then Fizz would make Yorick look good.
Care to elaborate? How is Fizz' kit unhealthy? Because he has untaretability/e? Then Zed's kit is unhealthy, Vladimirs Kit is unhealthy, Ekkos Kit is unhealthy... Just because it punishes throwing everything at him at once, doesnt make it unhealthy. His abilities synergize well, his damage numbers are debatable(probably fine tho) and most of his damage is tied to his ultimate(unless like 2 items ahead) so he has clear windows of strength/weakness.
Voluug134 votesBecause he is an assassin with a really bad assassination pattern that lacks counterplay.
It doesnt punish people for ''throwing everything at him'', not when he doesnt need its damage to assassinate people. He can Ult WQI and assassinate people. It punishes people that dont have instant point and click CC and massive burst in the frame Fizz is CC'ed.
There is a reason Ryze is one of the few actual counterpicks against Fizz.
The trollpole has too little backdraws, while being obnoxious lategame, on a champion with extreme power spikes and point and click burst/mobility and enhanced AAs.
Then Zed's kit is unhealthy
This is an statement. It is unhealthy, even if Riot's delusions of it being a ''healthy'' assassin say the reverse. An assassin with energy, the range and safety of a mage and the kill potential of an assassin, mixed damage.
There is a reason Zed is one of the most banned champions rn.
Vladimirs Kit is unhealthy
Trollpool has a 20% HP cost to use, has bigger cooldown, isnt really mobility (it only has a small speed buff attached to it, cant jump walls) and comes in a champion with a sustained damage pattern.
Ekkos Kit is unhealthy
This is true, just like Zed, so it makes your argument even worse.
There is a reason Ekko is one of the most banned champions rn, again.
Azura Strike1 votesIf you run exhaust mid you can pretty much demolish Fizz in a lot of matchups.
Voluug133 votesAnd then Fizz just waits because Exhaust's cooldown is 210s while his ult is less that half of that, much less his basic abilities.
EDIT: 100/85/70 ult, without CDR, which Fizz will probably buy as 3° item.
EDIT2: Also, Exhaust's range is a mere 650, and cant be used while CC'ed which means Fizz can ult you, wait for the knock up to CC you and dive in with QW at the same time, before you can even Exhaust.
Azura Strike1 votesA lot of mids can build zhonyas which completely counters his ult, or abyssal to really hurt him too, if you take mid exh vs him and your support takes exh too, most of the time in a late game teamfight he really has to think twice about going in, esp if you've got some MR, Zhonyas, or your team has a locket. It's not that hard to just play passive vs him, the main thing you have to watch out for is his q to minions + r. The Fizz should have opportunities to kill you, and I find it hard to believe that every single time his ult's off cd you either have exh or you're dead.
Voluug135 votesYou really want to make Fizz look like some kind of healthy, underpowered champion.
You are reaching. You are presenting ideal case scenarios for Fizz's enemies but not for Fizz.
Fizz:
Can buy Zhonia's too, and ironically make much better use of it thanks to trollpole's mobility.
Al the things you have listed are not counterplay. Not only Zhonia's has been repeteadly nerfed several times, but its an awful item to rush.
A support wont be near their midlaner until 15+, so everything about a second exhaust and mr items is moot.
I know how to play against Fizz, I rarely lose against him, even in season past when he was arguably OP.
That doesnt make him any less toxic and unhealthy to play against. Same for Zed.
KushDid42021 votesExactly hit the nail with Karthus right there
"Oh, Karthus is finally reaching a 50% WR? Lets gut him and the Keystone he used while Zed and Lux can keep on abusing TLD and have higher win rates and pickrates!"
B1naryB0t1 votesDid he not use TLD himself? DFT would be really bad on him since it's AoE, and I don't have to explain why Fervor and Bloodlust are weak on him.
EfficientDynamo9 votesIf i recall correctly, many people used DFT because a good Karthus could keep landing Q's on the enemy laner, and therefore keep the DFT damage on him all the time. Late game Karth would often end up being in the middle of things, meaning he could apply DFT to everyone rather than just one person with TLD.
TheIronRevenant28 votesSo people that can play eve well have a high win rate on her... What is wrong with that
Rew71116 votesTo me, Riot seems to be in some sort of Void at the moment.
They won't balance champions that need it and basically put out buffs and nerfs here or there just because.
I witnessed my first Irelia buff earlier this year. No one said much about it, but her AD ratio on her Q went up. No compensation. Meanwhile, Evelynn got her W nerfed hard, by putting a 40 mana cost on it, and unlike Lucian's E it doesn't scale down to 0. I'm happy she's now going to be changed into something... else as some Rioter said she was now on the list for a GU and VU as well. Maybe a new ultimate? And a new passive as well. Certain champs just get ignored by Riot, and others get ignored by the community. But... the champs that Riot usually ignores are the ones the community plays the most, and the ones that are usually ignored by the community are the ones that Riot focuses most of their "balance" onto.
Riot has taken away Dominion (and as of right now, is not planned in the weekend rotation) and has yet to give us a new fast paced game mode.
There are a ton of people, myself included, who have no time to play League. Especially during the school year. At least give us ShowDown or something.
There is no place on LoL for lore.
There is no set location to go and read up lore. There is no giant map of Runeterra. There is no Journal of Justice anymore. The retcon on the original lore wasn't needed (and it only puts more work on the lore team). We need more stories about some of the champs that were already in League. Like, Ryze, Veigar, Rammus, and even Kog'Maw. They don't need to be long, just something short and sweet just telling about a day in the life of a Champion. I also want to point out that without the Institute of War, the title Champions is out of place.
We have a hard time reaching out to Riot.
It feels like I'd have a easier time talking with other gaming companies on their discussion pages, than I would even get a comment out of a Riot employee. And its only more infuriating that apparently, the only ones that will communicate are the ones that aren't allowed to say anything or don't know much on the subject (but those guys are the VMPs of Riot for communicating). RiotRepetior and a few others do talk to us, but they can't answer all of our questions. RiotRepetior isn't in the art department, he's in the design department (and even he is limited on what he knows about things other than what he's working on). I wish that Riot employees (whenever they get on here and I know they occasionally do) try and talk to us if possible. If we have some angry rant, read it or skim it and leave some thoughts. Try and at least communicate. If around (or over) 75% of the community is having issues with something (like say, Dynamic Queue) then stop thinking we're stupid and that we have to get use to it. Talk to us. Find out why we're in distress. Try and please us, because without us, your income might start to get smaller...
That's what I think about Riot at the moment.
Dessem1 votessome Rioter said she was now on the list for a GU and VU as well.
She's been on that list forever. Whenever we asked for skins the past year it was always that Evelynn was in need of a VU and won't get skins until the VU is completed.
At the same time, she's not scheduled.
Latest Red response was just that "Evelynn is a strong contender for a GU/VU next year", but again no promise that she's actually scheduled.
ChaosThief3 votesI would think the reason is because they don't have anything specific that they know they want her to look like and then follow through with the theme since... her theme currently is incredibly generic.
Then there are other champions like taric that they saw a path to go with and they went from there.
foinhas1 votesbut she has a theme!
HIGH HEELS!!!!!!!
CasterGilgamesh2 votesBut it takes a lot of effort to move like this in heels
Zein28 votes"We're removing Evelynn's entire abilities due to her passive. Her passive is enough."
Painted Celt9 votesOld 
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and just the passive _was _ enough.
AbusingMyRights3 voteslol me and a friend would run that bot lane and he would go old mordekaiser support and just spam the damage shield so hilarious. They would be like what the *** is killing me.
Masala Chai24 votesLet's face it, Riot hates Evelynn, because if that were ready the case, Ekko would've never been buffed, Kalista would continue to be nerfed, Yasuo would be receiving 12 nerfs in one patch and Zed would also continue to get nerfed. But nooooo, it's all about the Riot favoritism. Riot ready hates the Shadow Isles huh, first Evelynn, then it's Mordekaiser, then it's Hecarim, then Karthus, and finally Kalista. Of course, Thresh has immunity because he makes the #MADLIFELC$BIGPLAYS that Riot loves so much.
ARequestOfDeath10 votes
Masala Chai7 votesYorick has been perpetually nerfed, Maokai was one of the only melee champions in the game without scaling MR. I don't really know how Nocturne had been playing out recently, so I can't speak for his current state.
Nechronia12 votesAnd Lucian is still a strong pick, pretty suspect if you ask me...
Malicious Metal3 votesNocturne doesn't even hail from the Shadow Isles.
Masala Chai1 votesIsn't he Twisted Treeline? That's technically Shadow Isles. Right?
Malicious Metal7 votesHe's a nightmare made reality. He's neither an undead specter or a trapped soul, he is almost an "elemental"
And he only manifested himself on the Twisted treeline in the mind of a summoner, them being retconned makes his entire origin even less concrete.
Mazariamonti1 votesI also hate Evelynn
facemelter7102 votesI also hate Evelynn
play her
Lil Gr33n Ghouls3 votesThe reason Eve gets nerfed so much is because her passive is insanely strong and arguably unhealthy for the game. No one enjoys getting 100-0 by someone you cant even see unless they are right on top of you. It's the same reason people hat Shaco and why Shaco will most likely never get significant buffs. It's difficult to balance gameplay that can so easily become toxic. Also, she did get a lot of play in season 5 pre elise buffs, if not in NA then in LCK.
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesShe had a lot of play in S5 because of Runeglaive (which launched in the same patch as Elise buffs, if memory serves), which patched up a lot of her flaws.
Lil Gr33n Ghouls3 votesShe was also played a lot before then in the lck when ever reksai or gragas was banned as a cinderhulk tank, using her passive to establish superior vision control and get decent ganks in. This was when jng would normally get cinderhulk + sight stone and play like a secondary support most of the time. She wasn't top teir at the time (AKA rek sai and gragas) but if the jng pool of 2 champs got pinched by bans she was commonly picked. This was more so in the lck, I don't know much about LCS at that time because I wasn't really watching it, but I watched most of the lck games.
Here are the stats for jng picks in lck 2015 summer split:
ShadowBash14 votesKindred's is even higher than that. Just saying.
manbearswine5 votesKindred's is even higher than that. Just saying.
Have you seen her banrate though?
Yes, kindred desperately needs serious nerfs, nothing new there.
weeaboomer7 votes
3rd Age7 votesnidalee isn't a toxic champ though
evelynn is
nidalee creates a more skirmishing game, extremely face paced constant fights
evelynn forces you to sit under tower until laning phase is done until you can walk as a group of 5 for safety
WarlockLaw23 votesnidalee isn't a toxic champ though
There is a debate to be had here. I'd prefer the spear of death to her current iteration, though I doubt many share this sentiment.
evelynn is
A champion that is barely viable, is meant to fall off late game, and nearly gets executed on her first clear if you aren't that experienced with her is not my first choice for toxic champions.
nidalee creates a more skirmishing game, extremely face paced constant fights
In my experience Nidalee 'skirmishing' means throwing a spear and if it misses jump 600000 times away from anything resembling a fight. I would not call that a skirmish.
evelynn forces you to sit under tower until laning phase is done until you can walk as a group of 5 for safety
So to avoid Eve's constant gank pressure and frequent, to use the same phrasing as above, skirmishing, we can sit under tower and wait? Funny, that's how I deal with a Nidalee on the enemy team. Annoying thing is, Nid can actually dive a tower unlike Eve.
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesToxic doesnt have to be viable. Look at Yorick, Urgot, and pre-rework poppy. They are/were intentionally kept weak, because when they're strong, they're bat shit unfun to play against. Sadly, Evelynn falls into the same category because she gets to ignore all trinket wards, and seeing how important Vision is in the game, its pretty damn strong.
Rikari4 voteswhat? people play evelynn?
Xenos111114 votes"We nerfed Evelynn because we felt she was too oppressive on URF"
Lil Gr33n Ghouls2 votesThey did nerf Nidalee the last patch and have more on the PBE. But instead of doing the Kindred treatment of nerfing the parts that high skill players can use, without making them less approachable for new players, they nerfed the aspect that new players have trouble with (her first clear) and not what skilled players can use.
Support Evelynn12 votes[{quoted}](name=Ike and Robin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YV5wjEw0,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2016-04-29T15:36:22.316+0000)
They did nerf Nidalee the last patch and have more on the PBE. But instead of doing the Kindred treatment of nerfing the parts that high skill players can use, without making them less approachable for new players, they nerfed the aspect that new players have trouble with (her first clear) and not what skilled players can use.
Man the nerf was so impactful her winrate went up!
Slamurai Jack2 votesGood Ol Boards: Hate Rengar but love Eve.
Kingnewgameplus7 votesEve can't kill you NEARLY as efficiently and quickly as rengar can.
InivtesPreeze5 votesRengar explodes you from stealth. Eve hunts you down and has nowhere near the same burst, sustain, or CC.
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Good Ol Boards: Hate Rengar but love Eve.
Rengar jumps on you from stealth and has a basically instant assassination pattern. Eve runs at you from stealth and takes over a second to kill (often like 4 seconds?) no matter how fed she is. The difference in counterplay window between the two champions is enormous.