Diamond III Fizz goes 0-4 to my Kennen

Yenn·Jul 13, 2015·13 votes·1,349 views

And then suddenly he finishes his Abyssal and I can no longer 1v1 him. Balanced.

27 Comments

EndlessSorcererJul 13, 20155 votes

A squishy ranged mage bullies a melee assassin early and then loses when the assassin finally has items?

Fizz is very strong in 1v1s while Kennen focuses more on teamfights. In addition, Fizz had MR and you didn't, which means that he built to counter you while you built for teamfights (though the enemy team had double AP, so an Abyssal would have worked well on you too).

MohawkBirdJul 13, 20152 votes

There is a difference between just losing early and getting completely shut down early. Anyone who is 0-4 should not be able to complete a single item and kill someone who is 4-0, who likely has more CS and has finished 2 items by then.

EndlessSorcererJul 13, 20152 votes

Looking at the Kennen's item build, he had no health or magic resistance in his early items. Due to this, his lead wouldn't matter as much since he would still be extremely squishy. If Fizz timed his aggression appropriately (either dodging Kennen's abilities using his Trollpole or waiting until Kennen used a key ability to farm), then I see no reason why Fizz wouldn't be able to kill him when he built specifically to counter Kennen and didn't.

SasogwaJul 13, 20155 votes

Well fine he was beaten in lane but still... A ranged teamfight champion is not supposed to win 1v1 against a melee duellist that builds specifically against him. And I suppose you didn't go for much magic resist too, am I wrong?

Goodest GamerJul 13, 20151 votes

you ulti the adc then q him. if hes not dead by then hes going to be dead in seconds by the 100s of dot damage hes taking.

Drunk RummateJul 13, 20155 votes

Kennen is a big lane bully but he doesn't 1v1 very well outside of early lane phase.

Fizz is weak pre6 but he has an excellent 1v1 outside of early lane phase.

I think I found your problem. Gold doesn't solve everything. You picked a champion with a weak 1v1 and an amazing teamfight into a champion with a strong 1v1 and an average teamfight, and then you fought him 1v1.

I once went 6-0 as Sivir against a Draven in lane. I tried a 1v1 while up a full PD on him and he destroyed me. Some champions just win 1v1. Learn something from it instead of complaining about it and avoid 1v1s with those champions in the future, because they're probably lacking strength in teamfights compared to you.

TrídentJul 13, 20158 votes

Fizz is weak pre6

wat

Drunk RummateJul 13, 20155 votes

He's a mana gated melee champion. He gets bullied hard by any champion with a ranged auto attack or abilities until he has his ult. Unless the person playing the ranged champion is terrible I guess.

TrídentJul 13, 20154 votes

item 2041 3 item 2003

Fizz "Hmmm... Nami... is someone tickling me?"

Drunk RummateJul 13, 20154 votes

He builds flask because he has a weak lane phase. You're basically just confirming exactly what I just said... Flask is an item anyone can buy, it's not some unique fizz item that makes his lane phase strong.

TrídentJul 13, 20154 votes

You can't bully him with autoattacks early game with flask, regen is too much.

Then, he just starts harassing you with his combo, around level 4-5.

Without flask, he does have a weak laning phase, but with it, he's completely fine

He gets bullied hard by any champion with a ranged auto attack or abilities until he has his ult.

My point was that this ^ isn't true

Drunk RummateJul 13, 20153 votes

Lets go back to square one here: I said Fizz has a weak lane phase.

You're trying to tell me that because he can build flask his lane phase is strong? Let me tell you why that's wrong.

Flask doesn't offer combat stats and Fizz is by nature, an all in champion. If he goes in on you to trade back damage, you ignite him and kill him because all he has is a flask. This means that you can attack him with impunity at all times in the lane phase every single time he wants to take a creep. Flask charges run out quickly if you harass properly. You should be able to force him to recall and buy a dorans instead of allowing him to first back for a sheen.

So all Fizz wants to do in this lane is farm as much cs as possible, while being completely unable to deny cs to his opponent at any point. What part of this strikes you as a "strong" laning phase? That sounds weak as hell to me.

TrídentJul 13, 20152 votes

No, because he can build flask it isn't that weak (definitely not a strong laning phase, but not weak)

I've had the misfortune of always facing Fizz as Veigar, so I'm kinda biased against him ^-^

Unless your champ was designed as a lane bully, like Azir Cassiopeia , Fizz just grabs CS, spams flask, then retreats when he's low on pots. But by then, he just stays away for awhile, then comes close again to CS and harass combos you when you try to AA. If you're champ has a weak laning phase, it feels like Fizz's is a lot stronger than yours

Probably didn't communicate this well, but I feel his laning phase isn't weak enough for the terrors he will cause later, after item 3100

LlaniteJul 13, 20151 votes

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You can't bully him with autoattacks early game with flask, regen is too much.

Then, he just starts harassing you with his combo, around level 4-5.

Without flask, he does have a weak laning phase, but with it, he's completely fine

My point was that this ^ isn't true

By that logic, just buy flask yourself and out trade him.

A flask heals 135 which is 3 AA and he is easy to hit due to having to cs exclusively with melee AA, once you establish a presence, he can be zoned out completely.

Is he as weak as nasus or poppy? No, but he is in the same state of jax, j4 or singed who cannot reliably farm the first 10 minutes of the game, but you're not blowing him as veigar either.

jDVL20eCYsJul 13, 20151 votes

you never played fizz in high elo i see. his pre 6 is utterly shit. ever range champ and abuse the fuck you of him. without jungler help you pretty much lose the game

BeatzBoyFTWJul 13, 20153 votes

Plays a range top & loses.

Oh the joy :D

Shroom JunkieJul 13, 20153 votes

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Plays a range top & loses.

Oh the joy :D

I played Gnar and won lane until he finished his Lich Bane. Then I went from 2/0/0 to 2/3/0. wtf

Poptart EvelynnJul 13, 20152 votes

Lol I just came to browse league forum, been a while, never miss yenn post ever. Much funny :D

5 years yenn and still going strong LMAO

pleepJul 13, 20152 votes

Yen is kinda bad lol.. knowing how to itemize is part of being good for the game. You probably rushed zhonyas against an AP champion while he itemized to counter you.

working as intended

JasiwelJul 13, 20152 votes

I'm not siding with Fizz here because I think he's broken, but wouldn't building Abyssal Scepter on Kennen be just as lethal? If you had that lead and the foresight to know Fizz is stupidly powerful, then why not build an Offensive Defensive item (like Abyssal Scepter) that only exacerbates your lead? It's what I do with Viktor nearly every time I'm against Fizz or a close-ranged AP...and it absolutely works.

I don't think Fizz is balanced. I think his balance is atrocious. That said, the Fizz player itemized well and rightly skewered you because you had no defense where he did.

Goodest GamerJul 13, 20151 votes

ryze gets level 6 and can no longer be reached or touched. you can no longer run from him if u dont have flash. balanced.

TaredomJul 13, 20151 votes

I'm assuming that the profile you're on isn't the profile that was the Kennen vs Fizz, because while in your last game there was a fizz that went 11/3 and a kennen that went 1/4, no one built an abyssal, also your last match was apparently in February? I just wanted to see how the item flow went that game so that I could weigh in an opinion. ;_;

EndlessSorcererJul 13, 20152 votes

LoL Match History only shows ranked games if you aren't friends with the player. Check OPs profile on na.op.gg, the game is there.

TaredomJul 13, 20151 votes

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LoL Match History only shows ranked games if you aren't friends with the player. Check OPs profile on na.op.gg, the game is there.

Ohhh that explains a hell of a lot actually. Thank you.

BiggestNoob3verJul 13, 20151 votes

Welcome back to League of Legends Yenn.

And did you try to spread your AOE Kennen love on the other lanes? Also yeah you should expect Fizz to 1v1 you as AOE gerbil eventually anyways with his single target burst.

jDVL20eCYsJul 13, 20151 votes

finish your to :) go abyssal zhonya and there is not much fizz can do

TheVishualJul 13, 20151 votes

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And then suddenly he finishes his Abyssal and I can no longer 1v1 him. Balanced.

Kennen is a teamfight champion, you build zhonya's and roll face with his ult... why should you be allowed to stomp lane (which kennen is amazing at), 1v1, and also crush every teamfight?