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Wow. They're REALLY trying to bury Pyke....

Illabethe·Jun 16, 2019·2 votes·1,011 views

Bone Skewer (Q) Stab targeting paradigm changed from [Aoe (30% reduced damage on non-champions)] to [Single Target (nearest unit, preferring nearest champion)]

Phantom Undertow (E) [Removed] damages non-champions Wtf is this crap o.O

It's not like Pyke already has an underwhelming kit outside of his Champion picks.

They're not just trying to make solo laning more fair for others...... they're trying to make it IMPOSSIBLE for Pyke.

I used to Pyke Jungle.... Q was what made it work. E was what made it work. Even then, it was a player skill challenge to keep HP high enough to really be a viable jungler.

These changes make that impossible.

Not just top..... not just mid...... these changes kill Pyke in all roles, possibly even in Support, because post lane, all champs ARE expected to do some farming.

Support Pyke used to be able to clear a wave to prevent a lane push. Now he won't even damage them....

Way to go Riot. Nerf the parts of Pyke that don't need it, after you turned a 50% champ into a hate meme through your own reworks. Just...... revert him to his release version. No Lethality scaling. No buffed R damage. That would make both his opponents and his players happy.

This....... This is just robbing people who bought him, his skins, etc, of a champ. He's literally going to go sleep with the fishes if these go live.

(There's other changes, but these two are insanely stupid to even propose..... especially after releasing 2 shot Mordekaiser)

9 Comments

SEKAIJun 16, 20194 votes

Let's say: If you do something Sona jungle, good for you. But you shouldn't be surprised if Riot makes changes to tune down Sona jungle, given that she's never intended to jungle anyway.

The same goes for Pyke, a champ that is intended to be primarily a support.

Not to mention, Pyke is by design fundamentally broken to begin with, mostly to do with his ability to chain insta-kills WHILE duplicating kill gold with his R (this is a big deal because usually, a champ that can instantly kill everyone are balanced around the concept of gold hugging where they can potentially end up having too much gold and starving the rest of the team leading to a defeat if the said guy having too much gold can't outright 1v5, which as we all know is next to impossible under most circumstances. This dynamic is NOT present for Pyke since he outright duplicates kill gold for his teammates when he kills everyone), and his extreme sustain as a result of his E and W. So it's not like he doesn't need nerfs in the first place.

After they kill off solo lane Pyke, put his W, E, R under the scope please.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 16, 20191 votes

This first part so much.

If something ends up strong and it's not where Riot wanted them in the first place...Riot's not going to dick around trying to support both especially when they have countless cases of this kind of shit (solo lane supports) being unhealthy as fuck. Especially when they have a way to hurt one while barely touching the other.

IllabetheJun 16, 20192 votes

You're deluding yourself if you think these changes barely affect Support Pyke lol.

His Lane win rate is going to drop to 39%. His Support Win rate is going to drop to 43-45%.

IllabetheJun 16, 20192 votes

Pyke is NOT SONA.

And unlike Sona, Pyke actually takes risks.

Anything that affects Pyke in lane/Jungle ALSO AFFECTS HIM AS SUPPORT.

I'm sorry you think his kit is no skill; it just suggests you are a bad player. Hit kit is #16th lowest damage IN THE GAME, his ult is mitigateable outright by 60% of the entire champ roster, and all you have to do is walk out of it diagonally. NOT HARD. If you are low enough to be executed, guess what? THAT'S YOUR FAULT.

His CURRENT WIN RATE IS 50%.

He's getting FIVE NERFS

(No aoe Q, No damage on E, Passive getting moved AND scaling to W, so he doesn't have it level 1, losing Lethality scaling on W)

He's going to have the utility equivalent of pre-rework Janna, without her assist to allies' AD values.

SEKAIJun 16, 20192 votes

{quoted}

Pyke is NOT SONA.

And unlike Sona, Pyke actually takes risks.

Anything that affects Pyke in lane/Jungle ALSO AFFECTS HIM AS SUPPORT.

I'm sorry you think his kit is no skill; it just suggests you are a bad player. Hit kit is #16th lowest damage IN THE GAME, his ult is mitigateable outright by 60% of the entire champ roster, and all you have to do is walk out of it diagonally. NOT HARD. If you are low enough to be executed, guess what? THAT'S YOUR FAULT.

His CURRENT WIN RATE IS 50%.

He's getting FIVE NERFS

(No aoe Q, No damage on E, Passive getting moved AND scaling to W, so he doesn't have it level 1, losing Lethality scaling on W)

He's going to have the utility equivalent of pre-rework Janna, without her assist to allies' AD values.

Pyke has so much risks that not only is he dominating the duo lane, he's good enough to not only perform but can also dominate the solo lane too.

I can see there's a high number of risk there, but you probably ignore the negative sign before the said risk counter.

And Pyke's strong precisely because his ulti has next to no counter (on top of his already disgusting WE combo, too). His ulti is AoE with an extremely fast animation. Its "counterplay" is nothing but a fake counterplay that goes "you technically can dodge it, but it's so fast it's realistically impossible unless the Pyke player misses it in the first place". You can't even beef yourself up and tank his ulti because it IGNORES shields for some god forsaken reason. It's a chain execute of 0 counterplay and duplicates gold for his teammates just to nullify the one and only possible play factor of it, too (the gold hugging aspect of chain-killers. Because if it's already broken, why not make it absolutely broken amirite?). This kind of bunkers design is what is currently plaguing and ruining the game. Let's not pretend you don't know that when you're happily abusing him in solo lane like nothing is wrong.

Also, Pyke is 50% win rate with a 15%+ play rate. That's OP, and you know it. Do not play the fool.

........

If you are low enough to be executed, guess what? THAT'S YOUR FAULT.

In the current state of the game where you can be killed by just about most decently fed damage dealers within a matter of a single second, where even accidental stray hit can wipe a significant amount of your OP?

And with Pyke's execution threshold being determined by a FLAT value that scales on THREE DIFFERENT FACTORS (level, bonus AD, lethality), so you can very easily be executed despite having more than half HP?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Trying hard, are we?

What's next? Next you'd be telling me that it's my fault that I didn't pick/ban Pyke, but that he is definitely balanced and should never be nerfed?

Baron BarianJun 16, 20193 votes

Don't you mean they're trying to drown Pyke?

iiGazeiiJun 16, 20192 votes

Support Pyke has Relic Shield to help him push.

Riot is 100% trying to kill Pyke in every lane but support because he is a support. He was designed to be this non-traditional support that plays like an assassin, not an assassin with free sustain that can support if you feel like it.

They said it over and over again during his release: "Pyke is a support". The fact that you bought him and didn't play him as a support and now you're upset that they're nerfing his ability to play elsewhere is not Riot's fault.

IllabetheJun 16, 20191 votes

No. Post lane, literally every other champ has aoe clear potential, and it is used the entire friggin game.

Relic is only situational IN LANE with someone ELSE clearing.

The change will put him back some 50-60 CS as support on average.

WoodakoodashoodaJun 16, 20191 votes

As someone who plays Pyke support extensively, this pleases me greatly.

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