i dont like that riot is recently watering down juggernaut core strengths.

Critmaster Garen··4 votes·275 views

let me just go right ahead and say this. i really think wukong needed buffs. he was legit garbage as a fighter. but im not happy with the way the buffed him by increasing his base ad.

juggernauts are supposed to be slow and heavy fighters. in return, one of their core strengths is that they have the highest base ad values in the game, to give them enough base damage to build very defensive and still be effective carries. theyre supposed to synergize better than anyone else with items like item 3053 item 3078 .

in one of the most recent patches, they buffed MonkeyKing base ad to scale up to 136, which is higher than even a lot of juggernauts get. not sure, why they couldnt just ramp up his bonus ad scalings, or increase his e range instead.

in season 5 they also increased juggernaut base attack ranges to 175, which allows them to make up for their generally slower attack speed to be able to stick to their targets.

Irelia reworked version on the pbe is currently sporting a 200 base attack range as an already pretty mobile diver/skirmisher.

id rather riot focus their buffs on the champions strength as divers and skirmishers, instead of giving them what were supposed to be uniqe benefits of slower champions.

hope this trend doesnt continue.

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Eedat3 votes

Don't worry. Wu still gets shit on by every juggy in lane

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Don't worry. Wu still gets shit on by every juggy in lane

thats not even the issue. im not mad that he can duel juggernauts.

so far, wukong and irelia are pretty isolated cases. but XinZhao was another diver who was supposed to be the exception with a 175 auto attack range.

if you add enough of these cases, they stop being exceptions, and then juggernaut core strengths arent juggernaut strengths anymore and the class stops being better at what theyre specifically supposed to be better at.

i just dont want riot to make the fighter classes step on each others toes, by buffing parts of their kits that arent supposed to be specific strengths of their classes, or that were supposed to be defining strengths of another class.

the live balance and champion design teams are known to make decisions in the moment and lose sight of these things. i can promise you with almost 100% certainty that the only reason irelia has that much of an auto attack range is to make her animations look prettier.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

to give them enough base damage to build very defensive and still be effective carries.

... and ?? u can't build very defensive wu even with theses buff... and Wukong still lose his duels against every juggernaut.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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... and ?? u can't build very defensive wu even with theses buff... and Wukong still lose his duels against every juggernaut.

actually you can. the base ad buff makes steraks gage and triforce incredibly effective on him and gives him very high damage and ability to trade.

with the introduction of conqueror, im also pretty sure he can duel juggernauts.

if you increase his base damage, then builds that include item 3078 item 3053 item 3748 combos become more feasable on him. do this a couple more times and you end up with a champion who has a lot of strengths that juggernauts are supposed to have, while also benefiting from the strenghts of his own class (mobility, teamfight initiation).

i wish theyd have buffed other strengths in his kit first.

Mordepool2 votes

Juggernauts are getting thier unique strengths (limited as they are) stripped away for the sake of power creep. It's Bullshit and needs to stop

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