I feel like with everyone loosing so much base magic resist and with additional buffs done to void staff, this would be a good change. Tabi already felt stronger than mercs majority of the time and this small buff, could slightly even out the playing field when choosing which tier 2 boots to build.
NoPaxt22 votesNo, since mages lost magic pen...
Acheron164 votesWhere? Void staff still gives total MR penetration, Sorcerer's Shoes got buffed, base MR is lower because people used to build MR runes all the time, most abilities got their base damage buffed...
Show me how mages got nerfed in your view.
kattzkitti9 votesMages lost Mpen from runes. Granted, they now get a bunch of AP from level 1, so it's debateable whether it's a buff or nerf. However, his point was that mages lost Mpen, and that is objectively true.
EkyonKun2 votesLost 7.83 from marks Lost 1.75 - 6 from precision (based on level ofc) OR lost 5% from Piercing Thoughts (Depends on DFT or TLD users)
Gained 3 from Sorcerer Shoes Gained 5% from void staff
Oh and mages can't typically utilize Sudden Impact considering most are immobile. So in total it's 6.58 - 10.83 less magic pen depending on level for TLD users, though gaining 5% bonus pen, and a flat 4.83 less pen for DFT users (Technically gained 0.45% magic pen, though).
This is all assuming EVERY mage that took TLD or DFT also bought Void Staff and Sorcerer Shoes.
50000000000000001 votesTLD mages also got nerfed considering they can't use Domination Tree very well
NineTailedMystic1 votes? Domination should be fine for traditional Mages. Cheap shot or Fresh Blood, Zombie Ward/Ghost Poro/Eyeball Collection can all be put to use, and all 3 Bounty Hunter runes can be put to good use as well. The only Domination rune traditional Mages can't use in some real way is Sudden Impact.
AirKingNeo1 votesPretty sure he's saying it's net 0.
DeusVult5 votesBut going the flat pen route is now expressly for dealing damage to squishy champs not building MR. Same goes for lethality vs armor.
So by actually buying an MR item like merc treads you are picking to try and out do their purchase. Similar to buying an early chain vest or tabis back in the league of lethality.
plus merc treads feel pretty shit to buy atm, what with just about everyone having CC to chain cc you, and more than half of it being a knock-up or displacement.
DragonShea3 votesBut going the flat pen route is now expressly for dealing damage to squishy champs not building MR. Same goes for lethality vs armor.
So by actually buying an MR item like merc treads you are picking to try and out do their purchase. Similar to buying an early chain vest or tabis back in the league of lethality.
plus merc treads feel pretty shit to buy atm, what with just about everyone having CC to chain cc you, and more than half of it being a knock-up or displacement.
Merc's should be more of an Anti Magic damage item than a MR+CC protecting item. I wouldn't mind to see it getting a split where We get two kinds of boots. One that resists CC and give bit of HP and one that grants a lot of MR or an ability that reduces burst Mr damage.
50000000000000001 votesmini hexdrinker shield on a tier 2 boots xd
NineTailedMystic1 votesan ability that reduces burst Mr damage.
how about no
SpecterVonBaren1 votesBut other champs that deal magic damage but didn't take magic pen are now dealing more damage than before.
Penns14 votes25 still > 18 lul
The Yetii Rider12 votesTanks don't need more MR because tanks have Aftershock.
Assassins have 
, so do divers.
Juggernauts get a lot of power out of 
.
Supports have 
, which is quite a lot of MR for its price range.
Mages have a big chunk of MR with 
.
The only class that doesn't have an easy MR item right now is marksmen, and that's good because marksmen need to die.
An Undead brat4 votesImplying ADCs can't have and there's no 
.
The Yetii Rider4 votesMarksmen cannot buy Hexdrinker without a substantial cost to them. The item only offers raw AD and no lifesteal. There is a genuine price to pay when you rely on multiplicative stats and you buy multiple items that do not offer those stats (Greaves only offers AS but it still takes up an item slot).
An Undead brat4 votesNice to have full crit itemization if you get oneshot, everyone with half a brain would trade one slot that even gives stats you all want if it makes you immortal.
The Yetii Rider1 votesOh they do. And that one item slot is reserved for 
, nine times out of ten. does not go here.
Also, marksmen lose another item slot for their multiplicative scaling when they have to buy 
.
RocketRelm2 votesI would argue that Last Whisper is also multiplicative scaling. At least against tanks.
The Yetii Rider1 votesBuying Last Whisper increases your damage done to tanks but decreases your damage done to everyone else, compared to what you could have spent that item slot and gold on. There's a cost and benefit to it. If your opponent has Last Whisper, you have essentially always decreased his damage to your team, even when you are not in a fight.
AirKingNeo1 votesMarksmen don't really build GA actually, but the slot is more like second zeal, ER, LW, or lifesteal.
An Undead brat1 votesOIf course because GA saves you from both types of damage and AP is trash anyway, why would you even bother with Hexdrinker when you can just grab GA? Maybe if your retarded midlaner overfeeds enemy AP or you do it yourself, shame you should face the consequences of this but instead you just completely nullify them with one fking orange knife.
AirKingNeo1 votesAnd then lose out on so much damage and lifesteal?
Oh wait, you're that really bias Zyra main.
An Undead brat1 votesYeah, except they don't actually lose any damage and Lifeline of MoM even gives you lifesteal AND spellvamp so shove your "oh wait" up to your ass because you are talking bullshit.
To your previous comment: Just played against Twitch as Lux. He bursted me faster than I would burst him, I had armor item, he had no MR, but instead he had GA. What could I do?
Combo him to see him MAYBE die IF he didn't lifesteal the damage inbetween OR didn't kill me instead AND THEN I could die as he would get his second life OR I could use Zhonya to survive 2.5 seconds longer and get into the first scenario anyway.
Wow I'm so biased there's no way he'd be in extremely better position just because he's AD and I was AP, not in any way!
AirKingNeo1 votesYeah, except they don't actually lose any damage and Lifeline of MoM even gives you lifesteal AND spellvamp so shove your "oh wait" up to your ass because you are talking bullshit.
ADCs have to build IE, a zeal, a zeal or an essence reaver, a lifesteal item, and a last whisper item. MercScem already significantly reduces the damage and lifesteal you have compared to other options, as shown by its purchase rate. Considering this staple build for an ADC, where is the room for a Maw? Do note Maw is garbage late game.
Now, considering these facts, how is an ADC not losing significant damage?
To your previous comment: Just played against Twitch as Lux. He bursted me faster than I would burst him, I had armor item, he had no MR, but instead he had GA. What could I do?
You gave too little information. What level were you? What level was he? How fed was he? How fed were you? What items did each of you have? What runes did you have? Was it early game? Mid game? Late game? Also do note Lux is just a bad champion and you shouldn't expect much from her, similar to me with Karma supports.
DragonShea9 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qwFW0vLQ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-13T14:31:08.442+0000)
Tanks don't need more MR because tanks have Aftershock.
Assassins have
Juggernauts get a lot of power out of
Supports have
Mages have a big chunk of MR with
The only class that doesn't have an easy MR item right now is marksmen, and that's good because marksmen need to die.
"Marksman need to die" Man that is good one, bro.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
AirKingNeo1 votesThe only class that doesn't have an easy MR item right now is marksmen, and that's good because marksmen need to die.
Consider these current MR changes as backward compensation to the +0.5 MR/lv.
Also I smell bias.
The Yetii Rider2 votesHow is it biased to say marksmen need to die? They are a class that builds maybe a single defensive item while having terrible base stats. If they aren't dying, there's a problem, like people were bitching about for most of season 7.
Champion Skin2 votesYes if marksmen aren't dying they either have their team protecting them.... the enemy or the enemy isn't diving them and rather focus on protecting their own marksman
As marksmen damage scale the hardest and they usually builds the least defensive items making them the biggest damage threat and the one that's easiest to kill so obviously they usually end up as priority number one on the kill list which and with the enemy team focusing on killing the marksman one would expect them to end up dying at least a couple of times
AirKingNeo1 votesCould it be that assassins and divers generally suck and supports are extremely overpowered?
Who knew other classes, like support, affect other classes.
kattzkitti6 votesI just wish there was an AD alternative to 
.
The Yetii Rider5 votesYou mean ?
kattzkitti1 votes is an alternative to 
.
is entirely unique as of this point in time.
Omnem Occido3 votesI just miss Zephyr. Really good item for fighters.
Mcsquzzy1 votesWhat makes me sad is zephyr was removed before 
was a thing so it lacks an Icons which prevented me from just putting 6 of them next to a 
Khristophoros4 votesMercury Treads should have a more useful passive that people besides juggs and bruisers would want. They have Sterak's now. Let's get something that helps us against mages like a passive magic shield like Galio's W passive or something like that.
Acheron162 votesGiven how irrelevant tenacity is becoming (what, with everyone and their grandmother having displacements intead of stuns) I tend to agree.
RocketRelm1 votesHow about tacking on "Gives +20% move speed for 1 second after being knocked up for more than 0.25 seconds"? (The clause is so stupid things like trundle pillar nicking you isn't a net gain)
AirKingNeo1 votesSterak's isn't even enough for bruisers to break through CC chains.
Mercs are currently troll build because you need Tabi 99/100 times.
Khristophoros1 votesSterak's isn't even enough for bruisers to break through CC chains.
Mercs are currently troll build because you need Tabi 99/100 times.
Yeah so you can't really access the tenacity anyway. I feel this on more champs than just bruisers because Tabi is just so much better.
That's why I'm saying it should give some actual protection against magic damage.
AirKingNeo1 votesor actual protection from CC
Khristophoros1 votesor actual protection from CC
Crazy idea, what if 
became the dedicated anti-CC boots and had some CC protection in addition to the slow resist, and then 
can be anti-magic
TheGoddessBell1 votesNo one uses those, they don't need anything.
