I really miss old banshees, not because of spellshield, even though it was nice, but because it had 70 mr and 300 hp in a single item, which made me feel good about buying it as my only magic resist item.
Current line of magic resist items are all overloaded with cdr, which is nice, but not always needed. Can we get atleast 1 mr item that has slightly more magic resist than others, but no cdr?
Penns42 votesMaybe when AP itemization isnt worse than AD and tank/support itemization anymore hehe
Melledoneus23 votesMaybe when AP itemization isnt worse than AD and tank/support itemization anymore
Hm... skeptical...
hehe
Oh, ok. This is the real Penns. Mystery solved, ladies and gentlemen.
50000000000000002 votesAP itemization lacks options, but I think the overall power level is pretty good.
LordGeovanni7 votesAP itemization has lots of options just that nobody wants to trade out max damage build for more utility or more dps. because one time bursting an enemy for most of their health if not their whole health bar then running around for 3 seconds until their combo starts again is much easier and more safe than bursting once doing damage through auto attack until the combo comes back up or spacing out your spells to make use of Lichbane because cooldowns are so low you lower your damage out put by trying to get more than one lichbane proc off.
ZeichiVos3 votesI dunno, theres no mention of Fizz in that post... I'd say its only like 70% the real Penns
AirKingNeo1 votesI can't tell if you're serious.
Morellonomicon hehe
Penns8 votesStill way less options and often weaker options tho
For example 
vs just 
, which is garbage in 1v1s tbh but can be better in teamfights.
Or 
vs 
( because you dont have to get the full item for pen)
JPLangley4 votes[deleted]
FatedSaviour1 votesand tf, and jinx in invasion
JPLangley1 votes[deleted]
FatedSaviour1 voteswhats wrong with wits end on tf, back in the day of smite buffs, i went tf jungle with devourer, lich bane, guinsoos, wits and bes greaves, whats wrong with wits end on tf?
DarkSunSovereign1 votesYou usually want to burst people harder with TF, not DPS them down. It's fine if you want to I guess, but most people are talking about AP tf, not onhit.
FatedSaviour1 votesreasonable
Penns5 votesTheyre still all options and all strong items on at least some champs like Kog and Varus for Wits End.
Zhonyas is only good on champs like Fizz that use it for the passive at this point and there are no other options for when you just want some defense ( 
) because Seekers isnt nearly as good.
Or options for when you just want some %pen ( ) or just some damage to high hp champs (
) or just Grievous Wounds (
) or maybe you want a GA or you want flat pen on a champ that doesnt want to use Liandrys or when... you know.
kasfas1 votesI thought you said maw of Malicious there, and then thought, that would still be a pretty good name
Raid Boss Morde4 votesIt's actually really good on Varus, as his auto attacks already deal magic damage damage on-hit, and he deals large chunks of % max HP as magic damage.
YumaS2Astral1 votesMy problem with Wit's End is that it falls off so hard late game. Why buy it when you can buy 
which scales better?
Sewer Side1 votesMid-game and synergy.
Super cheap for what it is. It's like the Protobelt of On-Hit (without the utility)
Mhihnj1 voteshehe
Floupi10 votes[deleted]
Velzard of Koz7 votesThey said they have the philosophy that they want CDR to be gained naturally as you itemize, thus throwing CDR on everything for every class.
So at this point Rioters probably ask "Why shouldn't there be CDR?" rather than "Should there be CDR?" when designing items.
hhaavviikk1 votes[{quoted}](name=Squishy Support,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8yztPZBr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-01T20:03:09.014+0000)
It should be this one. I have no idea why they randomly put CDR on it
but should that item even exist? isn't everyone saying sustained damage is the counter to tanks? so then why do they get a item that screw over sustained damage mages?
Kythers1 votes[{quoted}](name=Squishy Support,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8yztPZBr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-01T20:03:09.014+0000)
this, wtf
give it movespeed or something idk
DragonShea1 votes[{quoted}](name=Squishy Support,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8yztPZBr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-01T20:03:09.014+0000)
Because Riot can't make proper Anti MR items, and besides I'd rather have Spirit visage be split into a sustain item and a purely defensive MR item.
Yma S8 votesPls no
Mages are already fucked in the meta as is
Niaphim8 votesJust nerf physical damage so that tanks don't have to build 3-4 armor items+tabi to not be blown by adcs, which leaves room for only one MR item. Problem solved.
Dactylogram7 votesBring back force of nature!
Mcsquzzy6 votes highest MR item after you slap someone 5 times
Or have Orrn in every game so you have
or always have 3 enemies nearby with
GrReaper9611 votes
highest base MR
Mcsquzzy4 votes60 MR is less than wits end 65 after 5 slaps
orns abyssal mask upgrade gives 90 mr
gives 80 when 3 people are around
and 
also gives 60 mr
It Hertz When IP4 votesMcsquzzy1 votesInfernal mask has a base MR of 95
It Hertz When IP6 votesThat's not a normally available item, unless you're going to try to tell me with a straight face that I can reasonably expect there to always be an Ornn on my team.
Mcsquzzy1 votesAs you highlighted in. Highest base mr. So I gave the highest base mr. Can you look me in the face and say 95 is less that 60
Sp33d Zer02 votesInfernal mask is Abyssal mask that is further boosted.
You're literally trying to argue that something that builds out of a fully completed item under specific circumstances should be considered a normal item
Mcsquzzy2 votesThe argument was highest base mr so is 95 the highest base mr on an item or not
Kaeblen2 votesyou're taking this "I'm not listening" thing a bit too far.
Mcsquzzy2 votesI am listening, no one is telling me how 60>95
JPLangley1 votes[deleted]
Mcsquzzy1 votesfor 1000 gold you get 35 MR and 200 HP MR is weighed at 18 gold per mr based off of the value of null mantle and Hp is weighed at 2.667 gold per hp you get 35x18=630 value for mr and 200x2.667=533.4 value for hp 1163.4 gold value for 1000 gold spent upgrade
Also you have not explained how 60>95
edit: locket gold efficiency is 1680 to its 2200 cost while this is 3773.4 to 3900 making this item more efficient than locket
RocketRelm4 votesI can 100% tell you that it is absolutely reasonable to expect there to always be an Ornn on your team.
You just need to become an Ornn one-trick.
ChaosThief4 votes60 MR is less than wits end 65 after 5 slaps orns abyssal mask upgrade
Let's see. One requires not only 500 extra gold but to buy abyssal mask in the first place, as well as having an ornn on your team.
Another only gives 80 armor/mr with no health bonus, excluding the active,
And banshee's veil now gives AP, which for some tanks and bruisers, is a complete waste of gold, though most have a small AP scaling or two somewhere, and it also doesn't provide any hp either.
Oh, and wit's end after 5 autos. Not every champion can really benefit well from wit's end.
Critmaster Garen6 votesi wish theyd remove the catalyst from 
and revert the recipe.
why did they have to put mana on it ...
Champion Skin3 votes 
are pretty much the only tank options that give mana and is the only MR option that gives mana
So yeah I think it fine for tanks to at least have 1 mana + MR option
Raid Boss Morde1 votesThey took away a great AP + MR + magic resist shred item away from mages though (abyssal scepter). Now all we have is Banshee's, which doesn't help with taking down high magic resist enemies.
Chembaron Yamada1 votes ????
Raid Boss Morde1 votesVoid Staff isn't very efficient on champions who need to build resists. You never see champions like Darius, Trundle, or even Camille build any Last Whisper items.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesExactly, it's the same for AD. So why do you feel that there has to be an item providing MR pen as well as resistances?
stone the blacks5 votes but situational 80 only
The Yetii Rider2 votesThere is never a situation where you only want to buy one MR item, unless you are playing a diver/juggernaut/support. And in that case you have / . Tanks should always be getting 2 armor and 2 MR items, they don't need anything but armor and MR and they need those to be as high as possible.
