Kog'Maws ult should be 40 mana per continuous cast like before.

Yuumi or Lose·Dec 30, 2015·43 votes·1,499 views

After what they did to his ult damage being useful only at 25%. Having to wait a long time to cast a lack luster ult to preserve mana isn't really satisfying.

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ofartDec 30, 20158 votes

The bigger problem is that the damage is pathetic unless they have already been poked down or engaged on by someone else. I'd gladly pay more mana if the ult. was actually good but it's worse than before for normal situations. The W is worse too without AS/on-hit items and costs mana now.

RebonackDec 30, 201511 votes

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The bigger problem is that the damage is pathetic unless they have already been poked down or engaged on by someone else. I'd gladly pay more mana if the ult. was actually good but it's worse than before for normal situations. The W is worse too without AS/on-hit items and costs mana now.

But 5.0 attack speed with 2% HP damage per hit!

Over six seconds, comes out to 60% max HP damage over the duration of the skill.

The old Kog with 2.5 attack speed and 6% max HP damage per hit over 8 seconds would do 120% max HP damage given the same item loadout.

Aren't nerfs wonderful?

SaiannaDec 31, 20151 votes

I'm quite sure Riot doesn't nerf anyone or anything.

They "compensate".

ofartDec 31, 20151 votes

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But 5.0 attack speed with 2% HP damage per hit!

Over six seconds, comes out to 60% max HP damage over the duration of the skill.

The old Kog with 2.5 attack speed and 6% max HP damage per hit over 8 seconds would do 120% max HP damage given the same item loadout.

Aren't nerfs wonderful?

It was also a lot more forgiving. With the ult. nerfed hard but being a better execute tool, you're often baited to trying to get low targets. Then, due to the mana cost nerfs, you realize you're OOM but UNLIKE BEFORE, you can't even use W. You're completely useless at that point. Really though, I like champions with high mana costs as long as those skills are game changing and super strong. Sadly, this isn't usually the case for Kog.

CronofugeDec 31, 20151 votes

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But 5.0 attack speed with 2% HP damage per hit!

Over six seconds, comes out to 60% max HP damage over the duration of the skill.

The old Kog with 2.5 attack speed and 6% max HP damage per hit over 8 seconds would do 120% max HP damage given the same item loadout.

Aren't nerfs wonderful?

But the full damage bork procs! Oh wait that item got nerfed too.

The Yetii RiderJan 1, 20161 votes

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But 5.0 attack speed with 2% HP damage per hit!

Over six seconds, comes out to 60% max HP damage over the duration of the skill.

The old Kog with 2.5 attack speed and 6% max HP damage per hit over 8 seconds would do 120% max HP damage given the same item loadout.

Aren't nerfs wonderful?

It's not a nerf. You have 5 chances to crit per second. With 100% crit chance, you get 30 Crits over the duration, which is about 140% of your AD with Infinity Edge.

Yuumi or LoseDec 31, 20151 votes

Not to mention his E is 120 mana lvl 5. Have mercy.

Utility VeigarDec 30, 20157 votes

RIP AP Kog.

Yuumi or LoseDec 30, 20151 votes

He's not entirely gutted if that's what you mean. He just needs a little boost but not to the point where he ends up over buffed.

Axis the DragonDec 31, 20151 votes

His main post-6 damage tool got gutted, though. Unless they're already below 50%, you're gonna be barely scratching people. And because of its low AP Ratio, it's probably better to get extra-effects-on-hit types of rush items now

To begin with, Rylai's/Luden's was always core, but now you probably need to get Liandry's over DCap, finishing with Void Staff, forgoing Zhonya's entirely

Core items are pen boots, and your source mana item like RoA, Morello, Athene's or Tear (I'm partial to Tear myself, though; best-in-slot AP out of the 4, big mana boost and a defensive shield).

You can probably afford to drop pen boots for dcap or zhonya's in lategame, since if anything scratches you you'll be dead anyway by lategame

Sire HippingtonDec 31, 20154 votes

i'd actually prefer haveing the 'cd' lowered back to 6sec. shooting a salvo of 2-4 ults to finish of a target and then waiting for the manacosts to reset seems way more fitting to the new ult.

RebonackDec 31, 20151 votes

If Kog's Ult scaled with missing HP smoothly (2.667% bonus damage per 1% HP missing) it would reach +200% damage at the same threshold as Live, but it would be WAY more useful at all other times.

ofartJan 2, 20161 votes

You must not understand that Kog doe 55% AD when W's active. His crits. tickle and don't synergize well with W. On-hits make much more sense because they aren't reduced.