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There is one buff I do feel Kindred really needs, and I'd take almost any nerf in compensation.

Teh Song·8/21/2019, 3:02:28 AM·2 votes·1,075 views

Naturally, I don't want any champion to be op. So if getting this buff and no other changes would make Kindred op, then yes, nerf her as well. This particular buff is something I want for Kindred so much that I'd happily take pretty much any nerf as the compensation change.

Make it so that the enemy team can't see jungle marks. Letting the marked champion know Lamb marked them is fine, but the enemy simply should not know which camp Wolf marked.

See, I'm one of those players who doesn't need a victory screen to enjoy a match. (That doesn't mean I'm not trying to get it. The fun is in the attempt to win, so I make the effort, I just don't need to be successful to have fun playing the game.) But Kindred, regardless of whether my team wins or loses, ceases to be fun if the enemy team understands the jungle marks and acts accordingly.

If you'd like another point of reference as to where I'm coming from, here's a link to a rant thread I made a while ago where Kindred was the example. But do bear in mind that it is a rant thread I placed in the rant subforum. This thread however, is not a rant and is 100% serious. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant/BYpXYIJK-the-fun-of-some-mechanics-is-too-tied-to-your-enemies-being-bad-or-your-allies-not-being-bad

4 Comments

Cind3rkick8/21/2019, 3:24:05 AM2 votes

My only issue with this is that the mark indicator I'd one of kindness biggest counterplay...

Maybe just remove the map marker but in compensation make the mark obvious if the enemy has vision of the marked camp, ivern shrine kind of thing comes to mind with the mark under the camp,

Zlera8/21/2019, 4:14:03 AM2 votes

I agree with Cind, the mark is a very good way of countering kindred, it allows people to collapse on them as well as force the jungle to either get the marked camp or let kindred get yet another stack. The making it more obvious would be a great idea!

Psyrix8/21/2019, 1:13:55 PM2 votes

The mark system gives them the chance to get 7 stacks of their passive very easily providing u know how to work the jg and ward... removing the indicator for enemies decreases that counterplay by quite a large margin. Already as is, the mark is delayed for anyone who isnt kindred. Kindred teaches counter jungling, and relies on it to an extent, it makes you strategize your routes, determine the timing of when and how you want to get the buff... (a permanent buff at that too) ur proposal would need kindred themselves to guess which buff will be marked, which makes it even harder...

Kindred is able to predict which camps will get the mark to a certain extent: first mark will always be a scuttle, then after the 2nd mark it'll go deeper, and deeper until the entire jg has the potential of a mark (i.e. marking exists in stages)

Wordson1x8/21/2019, 4:49:05 PM1 votes

So remove one of the biggest counter plays to any champion in the game? Lol no thanks I'll take going 4/6 because of campers