She either needs a longer CD on Tibbers, or a lower duration on her stun.
When her passive is up, she zones all but long range mages. There's nothing you can do but hope for some jungle pressure. Otherwise, you eat a stun and a full rotation of her abilities. From 6 onwards, this is death.
She was one of the original champions, and the archaic properties of her design are showing badly.
Bears Dont Care10 votesReally? We are whining about annie of all characters? Jesus
Blazing Tenshi9 votesLearn to be untargetable.
AtheosisX4 votesOh noes an assassin counter! Nerf it!
WhereTheNamesAt1 votesthat's the problem…she's not supposed to be one
AtheosisX1 votesWhere did you get that idea?
WhereTheNamesAt2 votesi dunno…I mean a little girl doesn't look like an assassin
Abyssphere1 votesi dunno…I mean a little girl doesn't look like an assassin
Idk if I saw her skipping towards me IRL I'd expect a pretty gruesome death.
Xemeron4 votesimmobile squishy mage is overtund... lol...
mikemil2231 votesyay you can run from her as long as she doesnt have flash. thats so good.
Vicvictorw2 votesBrand can destroy her.
But nobody plays Brand.
Direwolfiez1 votesNobody plays Brand because everyone is playing assassins, and they shit on Brand. People play Annie against assassins because of her stun + her nukes. See a trend? People take advantage of really strong champs to take out equally strong or even stronger champs.
I'd pick Annie against people like Yasuo, Akali, Talon, Zed, and LB, simply because she shuts down their mobility and can capitalize on their moment of weaknesses without them instagibbing me. She's a safe mid pick simply because of how hard she snowballs and her utility and burst even if she doesn't snowball. Third ranked game I played was against AP mid Gragas (pre-rework) and I picked Annie. I wrecked him.
TLDR: People use her because she's friggin' strong, since a lot of other mages are really weak right now. Fix the problem (energy and manaless assassins), and people will either pick her less often, or they'll be able to tone her down without leaving people without a champ that can consistently do well against assassins.
Serenity Now1 votesIf they left silence on Kass, LeBlanc, and Talon, but spread out their damage, they would have had a broader answer to enery/cooldown assassins.
Direwolfiez1 votesThere's no counterplay to a point-and-click silence besides not getting within range of them...not even Yasuo could have blocked all of them, since a good number weren't even projectiles. I really don't think that would have done much besides give the silence assassins an edge over all the others.
Ánnîe 2 votesi might be a little biased here but i think annie is fine. shes as immobile as it gets and all she has is burst damage and you want to nerf that? shes medium range at best and anyone with long range never has to take any damage from her unless she burns flash. which she has to if she ever wants to actually do damage. no one just lets annie walk up to them and if they did they deserve to die. its very clear when she has her stun up and she currently does do well vs akali fizz yasuo and talon. but thats because they're all melee. i do think however tibbers should be more effective as a summon not just drop tibbers and everyone blows up. not to mention dfg being removed hurts her burst she does not need a nerf to her burst on top of dfg being removed.
Epilogue of Life1 votesSo if enemy picks melee its free win for Annie?
Ánnîe 1 votesSo if enemy picks melee its free win for Annie? its the same way you shouldn't pick someone like brand into zed or fizz. its counter play. the only problem right now with assassins is the fact that they invalidate almost every mage not named lissandra syndra or annie. annie does not invalidate any class entirely if you pick a melee into annie expect to be stunned and eat her combo. if you pick brand into fizz don't expect to ever actually hit him. as stated before pick a long range champion into annie and you'll be fine. lux ziggs and xerath all can stay out of her combo range before she decides to flash to try and burst you and when she does shes vulnerable for 5 minutes or so and lets face it shes not hard to gank.
Abyssphere1 votesSo if enemy picks melee its free win for Annie?
Yeah if you pick a melee in mid lane or even bot lane (unless you're Leona/Braum etc) then you deserve to lose. Annie doesn't go where melee champs go.
Epilogue of Life1 votesLol Riot specifically said that the best lane for Yasuo is mid...
Pikmints2 votesI'm thinking that Riot will just have to eventually give Annie's ultimate a cast time/channel animation to make it so that she doesn't have an AoE stun nuke ultimate with no counterplay other than "never be in range". Simply a short one where she gestures her teddy tibbers in a direction for even .5 seconds would be better.
Malix Farwin2 votesI'm thinking that Riot will just have to eventually give Annie's ultimate a cast time/channel animation to make it so that she doesn't have an AoE stun nuke ultimate with no counterplay other than "never be in range". Simply a short one where she gestures her teddy tibbers in a direction for even .5 seconds would be better.
Why would they do that when mages like veigar and brand can do the same thing
Raptamei2 votesI'm thinking that Riot will just have to eventually give Annie's ultimate a cast time/channel animation to make it so that she doesn't have an AoE stun nuke ultimate with no counterplay other than "never be in range". Simply a short one where she gestures her teddy tibbers in a direction for even .5 seconds would be better.
Never being in range is valid counterplay.
You lost in champion select, stop crying.
5G8Nri0B541 votesOr she needs to be reworked so she can go beyond "screw around till 6"->"kill lane opponent with Tibber combo"
Epicusmaximo1 votesOn a more serious note, you know who else is overtuned?
Ham and cheese sandwiches.
Anyone else have "overtuned" things to add to this discussion? Let's keep it going in the spirit of OP.
EfficientDynamo1 votesMaybe add a timer to her stun passive? If she doesn't use it within 10-15 seconds, it resets? Shouldn't alter her core gameplay too much, but at the moment a fully charged Annie can freeze a lane or siege for quite a while because no one wants to eat that combo.
Epilogue of Life1 votesAnnie still flash ulting people for oneshot, while Talon loses silence since he "lacks counterplay".
Ánnîe 2 votesAnnie still flash ulting people for oneshot, while Talon loses silence since he "lacks counterplay".
annie can only flash ult once every 5 mins. talon could all in how many times during 5 mins? and for the record i don't think he needed to lose his silence but this is a horrible comparison.
Epilogue of Life1 votesYa except you don't know that Talon needs to flash E...it's not every day that the enemy squishy repeatedly let you walk up and E them, especially in teamfights.
Ánnîe 1 votesYa except you don't know that Talon needs to flash E...it's not every day that the enemy squishy repeatedly let you walk up and E them, especially in teamfights.
talons cutthroat range is 700. that's more than every adcs range besides like lvl 18 tristana whos range is 702 or 703. its also a targeted instant blink. if you need to flash to engage as talon with a 700 range gap closer you are doing something horribly wrong. not to mention his base movement speed of 350. hes very mobile i'm not sure why you think you need flash to engage as talon.
Epilogue of Life1 votesExcept walking to get into range to engage during a lategame teamfight is pure suicide. The enemy team is not going to let you get within 1k range of their ADC if they're above bronze.
Ánnîe 1 votesExcept walking to get into range to engage during a lategame teamfight is pure suicide. The enemy team is not going to let you get within 1k range of their ADC if they're above bronze.
that's silly. he does have a handy stealth too you know. talon can enter team fights burst someone down and sometimes manage to get out. hes not as safe as fizz or zed but he sure can engage safer than annie who has NO mobility and a shorter engage range. also don't say anything about being above bronze. silver 4 is not far above bronze if at all really.
Epilogue of Life1 votesLol if he stealths, he can't get out, and unlike Annie, he's full melee, and he won't build a Zhonyas. BTW I had less than 30 ranked games this season in total, after my friend trolled my placement matches
Ánnîe 1 votesLol if he stealths, he can't get out, and unlike Annie, he's full melee, and he won't build a Zhonyas. BTW I had less than 30 ranked games this season in total, after my friend trolled my placement matches
what do you mean unlike annie? she needs to flash to engage most of the time and she has no mobility. no one goes "oh she used zhonyas better just leave". anyway this has been derailed from being about annie to being about talon. we can agree to disagree.
Epilogue of Life1 votesI mean that Annie flashes into 400~600 range to unload her combo, while Talon goes into melee auto range to deal damage, and Annie can just Zhonyas right after her rotation and have her team ace the enemies...If Talon goes in at a PERFECT time and somehow manages to avoid being chain-cced to death while not really killing anyone, then he goes invisible and pray to God that the enemy doesn't do anything to reveal him, while still being vulnerable to AOE damage/cc and lucky skillshots...Annie doesn't get any of that shit since she STARTS her combo with AOE nuke+stun...
mikemil2231 votesannie gets her stun up and touches you and you cant do anything. plus can nuke you. talon touches you and you can at least flash away or run. her ult shouldnt trigger her stun in my opinion
AccountaBilabudy1 votesI agree actually. Not about solo lane Annie, but support Annie.
Support Annie is so obnoxious. You are completely zoned as the ADC because you cannot win a trade vs Annie and her ADC when she has stun up.
Malix Farwin1 votesI agree actually. Not about solo lane Annie, but support Annie.
Support Annie is so obnoxious. You are completely zoned as the ADC because you cannot win a trade vs Annie and her ADC when she has stun up.
Have you met support brand? much much worse
AnonTwo1 votesGood thing most viable mages are long range, eh?
mikemil2231 votesannie can flash ult and burst multiple people at once and most likely killing 2 right then and there. along with her ult having a low cd. i think they should either make her ult cd longer, change how much aoe she has, nerf the stun or just nerf the freakin amage in general.