Playing botlane this patch is the most horrible experience i've ever had playing this game

VDc0zCqe0w·Aug 21, 2015·114 votes·8,647 views

Jinx, Vayne and (arguably) Ashe as viable adcs for soloQ

Nothing else

Bruisers outdamage and outtank you while having more, and stronger spikes

Mages outdamage you and can make more plays

Botlane is basically only toxic garbage champs like Vayne or the evergreen queen of toxic fucks Jinx

P.S. MF is still a trollpick in diamond elo, no matter how hard you try to buff her, she simply doesn't have an ultimate

P.S.2 i may sound angry because i'm salty as hell to be honest, how many YEARS do i have to wait to play MF in diamond elo without being considered a troll? and the sad thing is people that say i'm a troll are actually right, because she sucks balls

206 Comments

Only Play DariusAug 21, 201558 votes

But we don't even need ADC's anymore!

Mordekaiser hue

ArkenStormAug 21, 201510 votes

the pain....... :'(

Solidair3Aug 22, 20152 votes

He's super fun in bot lane tho.

ReymonadeAug 22, 20157 votes

He's only fun for the person who plays him. His team will hate not having an adc and the enemy team will hate getting one shotted by his third q. I main adc and unless riot hits him with the nerf bat, I might change lane.

SwiftSwrdAug 22, 20154 votes

43% winrate and falling...

LhostalisAug 22, 20151 votes

Yeah, Why just have damage? When you can have insane damage AND great tank stats?!?!?! Darius

Dextix LTAug 22, 20152 votes

And 0 mobility.

LhostalisAug 22, 20152 votes

Does mobility really matter when two of your abilities have a 90% slow for 1 second each? not to mention that one of them pulls the enemy towards you? Not really; He doesn't have great mobility but he also doesn't need it with those two ridiculous slows and engages.

Fear PopoAug 22, 20152 votes

Considering new darius is sitting at 43%, yes, yes it does matter.

OperationDEEZ1Aug 21, 201540 votes

Everyone loves to abuse freelo like Jinx and Vayne . Ashe really isn't that bad though, and I haven't seen her in a while. Even then, I main Ezreal along with Tristana and Varus so maybe I just don't like being the minority. I just hate seeing the same fucking shit at bot lane every damn match. ( Vayne / Thresh ) or ( Jinx / Thresh )

VDc0zCqe0wAug 21, 201519 votes

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Everyone loves to abuse freelo like and . really isn't that bad though, and I haven't seen her in a while.

Ashe is good and she's not toxic garbage like Vayne or Jinx yeah, she's the only saving grace this patch

OrangesilkAug 21, 201523 votes

You mean, she would have been, if item 3143 didn't read:

"Ashe deals 10% less damage to you with each of her autoattacks"

I expect her to become much weaker now.

Captain AishiAug 22, 20151 votes

to be honest, this just means her autoattacks deal normal damage:

Ashe cannot critically strike normally, but her basic attacks against Frosted enemies always critically strike, increasing their damage by 10% + (critical strike chance × (1 + bonus critical damage))%.

Dar RaksadaAug 22, 20152 votes

depends on how it works, it could mean she does 99% damage (normal is 100%, 10% from ult is 110%, reduced by 10% is 110-22=99).

Knight SoIaire Aug 22, 20152 votes

imagine yasuo he already loses 10% damage on his own and he crits like ashe he loses 25% damage is he q's

if yasuo autos he loses 20% damage ... 20% of 200% is 160

if yasuo q's he loses 35% of his damage 200% minus 35% is 130%

result ... yasuo loses something along the lines of 30% of his damage just because you bought one item

gaby1bestAug 22, 20156 votes

It stacks multiplicatively, not additively. So your numbers are wrong.

ZmuecatAug 21, 20154 votes

Both roles down there feel fairly cemented in which champions are strongest and will remain there unless Riot steps in. ADCs have their 3 or 4, supports are the same.

It is indeed boring.

LuggAug 22, 201518 votes

MF has the highest risk ultimate of any ADC in the game and the damage sucks. It should literally be the most powerful ult of any ADC.

Remlap1223Aug 22, 20153 votes

It is, it does 700 damage at level 1 if you stack your passive against a target.

Granted, kinda defeats the whole purpose of an "AOE ultimate" though.

LuggAug 22, 20152 votes

That's only if 1) they are right next to her getting hit with all the bullets and 2)if they don't move.

toxıc sIutAug 22, 20159 votes

...you do realize MF's ult does damage per WAVE, not per bullet, right?

LuggAug 22, 20151 votes

Yes, I do realize it's wave. Bullets just sounds better. That doesn't change the fact that no one should be hit by more than 3 waves unless you are CC'd.

Kuroi86Aug 23, 20152 votes

The wombo is strong with this one.

ChloeBotAug 22, 20152 votes

I mean, what about Quinn? What ADC wants to go into melee form and not get any bonus resistances or anything? Along with the fact that Quinn ult does not do all that much damage and chances are you fill finish them off with Quinn and not skytrike.

LuggAug 22, 20152 votes

At least Quinn gets some insane movespeed with her ult. I do agree the rest of it really sucks.

ChloeBotAug 22, 20152 votes

Until you get hit or hit someone. Then you can barely tell if you get any bonus movespeed at all :P Either way, she is still my main and I love her.

LuggAug 22, 20152 votes

They need to make her ult give her bonus armor and resistance. That way it can be used reactively if she is dove on. That way she can just slug it out. I think it would be awesome.

alfavhunterAug 21, 201512 votes

MF ult should do this

When she casts R her auto attacks now act as her Qs (bounce off of target hit what is behind them) but it does not have a target limit, just a range limit of how far it can bounce (same range as Q bounce) so if she AAs a champion that has 30 minions directly behind him it will bounce and hit all 30

This deals 50% of damage of her AAs but if she Crits on her primary target it will crit on all secondary targets

This ability also gives 40/60/80% AS when active and lasts 8 seconds

This keeps the feel of huge wave of AAs, but actually makes it useful as an ult in a team fight

The drawback is she can no longer safely deal some damage from a range, she has to be in AA range for it to work

It's a combination of twitch ult and her Q, but gives AS instead of AD

This ult would work well for her in game and it keeps the feel of "shoot a lot at once"

Edit, this is a base idea and would need number and range of effect tweeks, but I suggest this because every complaint I've read of MF ult sucking compares it's damage to her just AAing and saying it would be better to just AA, this lets her AA, while ulting, resulting in her AAs going everywhere , they could even make it like hurricanes effect instead of her Q, hit all targets near her target, in a flurry of bullets

The idea tho is to keep it as the AoE ult, in a way that lets her still AA, so it's no longer a damage loss but an aoe damage gain without sacrificing single target damage (similar to how twitch ult works

AzteryzAug 22, 20154 votes

i love the idea but idk if its the right direction since two attack speed steroids on a champs kit never goes well COUGH AATROX

DragoonRuinAug 21, 20159 votes

I agree, in the few games I played yesterday, every single one of them was totally and completely decided by the Bruiser/Juggernauts. Every single game had Rivens, Fioras, Volibears, and Garens in them. 2 of my 3 games were against melee bot laners w'out a proper "Marksmen" on the enemy team. And I tell you what, I have not felt more useless as the ADC seeing that the Juggernauts and Bruisers now spike SO HARD early and mid game that ADC's don't have the chance time to do much anymore. I haven't felt more useless as a MF main in a LONG time.

OperationDEEZ1Aug 21, 20156 votes

Don't forget Running Simulators ( Udyr )

KingopantsAug 21, 20156 votes

Playing agianst this.... the constant spam of bear turtle till the road runner gets jealous.

thinking manAug 21, 20158 votes

you forgot sivir

VDc0zCqe0wAug 21, 20154 votes

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you forgot sivir

true, sivir is decent

manbearswineAug 22, 20154 votes

Did you just manage to get upvoted saying most adcs suck now?

H...How?

TCU DushiAug 22, 20154 votes

Corki is so underestimated.

His powerspike with Trinity, Bork and pen boots is insane.

playing at diamond 2-3 i can confirm all you see is vayne and jinx. if they somehow get banned people pick either ashe or sivir.

Kinda dull but meh, w.e

disregardableAug 21, 20153 votes

Meanwhile in Bronze, Caitlyn and (arguably) Tristana are also going pretty strong. I've seen a few Dravens as well, and I think 2 Corkis.

Haven't really seen the other 12 ADCs though.

ArkenStormAug 21, 201510 votes

I've seen a Very Toxic Jinx. Multiple, in fact.

DazedOnlookerAug 22, 20153 votes

Ive also been running into absurdly toxic Jinx players in particular as well....next to Vayne...i never thought i would have to use my mute switch EVERY.SINGLE.GAME like this...-_-

jDiosamaAug 22, 20153 votes

F*ck you ADC mains!

Loken StoneheartAug 21, 20152 votes

MF's ult sucks, but she's still a stupid strong ADC. You might be biased.

Also, that's uh. That's three ADCs and you didn't put Cait on there who is always good, so four. That's more ADCs than usual.

Oh yeah, by the way, you still do the most damage in the game as an ADC and have the highest theoretical effective HP pool. You're still the most important role. You outdamage bruisers by a long shot. Mages are good, as always, and direct counters to ADCs due to burst-- nothing new here? You can make plays as an ADC, its easy, just right click and do roughly 1.5k dps after armor.

VDc0zCqe0wAug 21, 20156 votes

[{quoted}](name=Loken Stoneheart,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qXkARp0W,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-08-21T22:24:15.693+0000)

MF's ult sucks, but she's still a stupid strong ADC. You might be biased.

no i'm not biased she's utter garbage in diamond elo, i just stopped playing her i can't be any more frustrated than this

Loken StoneheartAug 21, 20153 votes

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no i'm not biased she's utter garbage in diamond elo, i just stopped playing her i can't be any more frustrated than this

Statistically sitting just above 50% winrate, Q hits like a truck loaded with explosives, W is... W but strut reactivation is sick, E is a bit better since the rework, R is still pretty useless.

Besides having a useless ult, she's doing pretty well-- and considering she has a useless ult, she's probably doing better than she should be. Her basic abilities are enough to keep her competing despite practically not having an ult.

VDc0zCqe0wAug 21, 20157 votes

[{quoted}](name=Loken Stoneheart,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qXkARp0W,comment-id=000800000001,timestamp=2015-08-21T23:10:17.100+0000)

Statistically sitting just above 50% winrate, Q hits like a truck loaded with explosives, W is... W but strut reactivation is sick, E is a bit better since the rework, R is still pretty useless.

Besides having a useless ult, she's doing pretty well-- and considering she has a useless ult, she's probably doing better than she should be. Her basic abilities are enough to keep her competing despite practically not having an ult.

just above 50% winrate in soloQ for a never picked-never banned champ in any kind of competitive match = garbage

she's better than before, that's for sure, slightly better than garbage is still garbage tho

and i'm pretty sure in diamond+ she's below 50%

Loken StoneheartAug 21, 20152 votes

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just above 50% winrate in soloQ for a never picked-never banned champ in any kind of competitive match = garbage

she's better than before, that's for sure, slightly better than garbage is still garbage tho

The other super ADC's you're talking about are only sitting 1-2% higher on their best days. Apparently all ADCs are garbage, because 50%+ winrate means you lose most of your games.

Also, to reply to the edit: Diamond+ winrates mean nothing. There are not enough players in Diamond+ to provide enough matches for reliable winrates. You're talking about less than 1% of all matches played.

dannykunAug 21, 20153 votes

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The other super ADC's you're talking about are only sitting 1-2% higher on their best days. Apparently all ADCs are garbage, because 50%+ winrate means you lose most of your games.

Pickrates Mean a lot in Solo que. If a champ isn't being picked it's because they don't compete with other champs performing the same role.

MF is in a worse place than Varus in solo q win rates, but I see him in a lot less games.

GorgannanAug 21, 20152 votes

Cait isn't really good. She's just a free win vs. Draven and a hard counter to Vayne. That's the only thing that keeps her relevent. Vayne counter. She doesn't even get to counter Draven because no one plays him anymore.

GodarenAug 22, 20153 votes

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Cait isn't really good. She's just a free win vs. Draven and a hard counter to Vayne. That's the only thing that keeps her relevent. Vayne counter. She doesn't even get to counter Draven because no one plays him anymore.

caits not really that good against vayne either if you pick an all in support for the vayne she will get a double at 6 and outscale after that. Unless it is a cait main which i never seen.