No, S3 Zyra had less pick/bans than Thresh, and so had Sona.
No, S4 Janna had less pick/bans than Thresh, and so had Nami.
S5 will be Thresh+Braum/Nami.
See the pattern?
I mean he's in every soloQ game, get him off competitive at least so i don't have to watch his ugly face there too.
SwapShadows16 votesHe's the flashiest and arguably the "coolest" support in the game, of course people are going to pick him.
I don't get why people dislike thresh so much, sure he's good at most things supports can do but is that really a bad thing? Do people enjoy losing to a janna, annie, blitz, soraka, braum, annie who barely require any kind of mechanics to be played reliably?
Play thresh bad and your botlane loses, play other supports bad and you still have a huge chance at winning bot because your goal is easy to achieve.
VDc0zCqe0w12 votesI don't get why people dislike thresh so much, sure he's good at most things supports can do but is that really a bad thing?
Yes
Do people enjoy losing to a janna, annie, blitz, soraka, braum, annie who barely require any kind of mechanics to be played reliably?
Fuck Blitz, the rest is okay
manbearswine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Puffball Reborn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7fO7jwiI,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-09-19T16:33:32.701+0000)
Yes Do people enjoy losing to a janna, annie, blitz, soraka, braum, annie who barely require any kind of mechanics to be played reliably?
Fuck Blitz, the rest is okay
Did you just call soraka "okay"?! Are you going to ask for evelynn buffs soon?
darkmatchwaldo3 votesHEY! That's my baby you're talking about
<3
manbearswine2 votesHEY! That's my baby you're talking about
Well your baby should be aborted then.
Joquan1 votesIt's sad people balance champs on whether they like them or not.
manbearswine2 votesIt's sad people balance champs on whether they like them or not.
How about god awful gameplay then? Because all of the previous problems which made soraka obnoxious are still there,and most of them have gotten even worse.
Joquan1 votesI agree soroka is awful to play against but I don't think she needs nerfs.
If anything I want a nerf to her W CD.
manbearswine2 votesI agree soroka is awful to play against but I don't think she needs nerfs.
This is such a big issue,I don't even know where to start,so let's start with just stats,according to champion.gg:
53.8% winrate,second highest of all supports(surpassed only by brand). pickrate 9.34% which is quite solid. banrate 2.75% second of all supports(actually she's the most banned support,as she is only surpassed by annie,who is more of a mid laner),you need to remember that support aren't the champions to almost ever get banned a lot,so just focus on the fact she's more banned than blitz,or any other support for that matter. her playerbase average games is 51,which is ranked 15/24 of all supports,you can actually see her skill chart being very unimpressive.
So statistically wise,she is clearly over performing very hard,to make things worse she is also considered a top tier solo q support,so this is more than just stats,so frankly,even if you ignore how god awful the gameplay of this abomination is she should still be nerfed.
But then you remember that on top of all that,she is an idiotic faceroll piece of shit,why do we even let garbage like her and rengar dominate solo q? we all know that when they enter games they just make them worse for everyone but the rengar/raka/etc player,not every form of variety is good,soraka with her insanely toxic gameplay should definitely not be allowed in the top tier,but honestly,she shouldn't even be allowed to be strong,she is bad for the game,I'd rather play another game against thresh than this cancerous shit.
And just so we're clear,this is far from my personal opinion,there's just a stupid circlejerk to silence this,but we all know she's exceptionally obnoxious.
If anything I want a nerf to her W CD.
Gut her.
Hugify34 votesHe's the flashiest and arguably the "coolest" support in the game, of course people are going to pick him.
I don't get why people dislike thresh so much, sure he's good at most things supports can do but is that really a bad thing? Do people enjoy losing to a janna, annie, blitz, soraka, braum, annie who barely require any kind of mechanics to be played reliably?
Play thresh bad and your botlane loses, play other supports bad and you still have a huge chance at winning bot because your goal is easy to achieve.
Thresh Is too versatile,there's no team comp where he Is considered bad,he deals respectable damage,he has insane gank assisting,he gets to choose If he wants to engage his grab or not (unlike blitz),he has powerful roaming,he has an E that allow engage/disengage,his bitch box hurts, and he has this ridiculous teammate saving lantern.
He's too versatile,and unlike others who have to learn certain matchups,Thresh can just thresh,because he IS NEVER BAD.
SwapShadows4 votesThresh Is too versatile,there's no team comp where he Is considered bad,he deals respectable damage,he has insane gank assisting,he gets to choose If he wants to engage his grab or not (unlike blitz),he has powerful roaming,he has an E that allow engage/disengage,his bitch box hurts, and he has this ridiculous teammate saving lantern.
He's too versatile,and unlike others who have to learn certain matchups,Thresh can just thresh,because he IS NEVER BAD.
That's thresh, he is supposed to be a well rounded support that fails or succeeds based on the players skill which is a lot healthier than a blitzcrank who has automatic zoning power just by being near and to top it off he doesn't need much skill.
Reazale14 votesThats like saying thresh doesnt have zoning potential based on only his precense....
If he does a lot and is good at all that he does then he has too much , its just that simple , he should hace a weakness or instead of beign "good" he could be only "decent"....
LICENSED HOOKER2 votesi mean, if you miss your q constantly then ur just a walking lantern lol..
Voluug139 votesStill better that Blitzcrank that fails his hooks, or Namis that fail bubble, or Alistars that fail QE combo, or Sorakas that fail Q, or a Leona that fails R/E, or you know, every support that fails their important ability. Even Sona if she fails at posicion herself is basically a free kill.
A Thresh that fails his hook is still powerful and has ridiculous peel.
Stop saying ''if you play badly Thresh isnt powerful!!!!'' because I can play any champion and do badly because I have shit game skills (not only mechanical skill).
Keyoshi2 votesWhy is being versatile a bad thing?
Enflame1 votesMeanwhile Thresh has 49.4% winrate... If he's #16 in his role, no way he can be as broken as you make him out to be.
Yosuke Apperu3 votesMeanwhile blitz is 53.79%. Suddenly though win rate won't matter to these people if it doesn't work in their favor xD I'm with ya TGSauce! :)
VDc0zCqe0w1 votesMeanwhile blitz is 53.79%. Suddenly though win rate won't matter to these people if it doesn't work in their favor xD I'm with ya TGSauce! :)
Blitz is a fucking retarded champion, everyone knows it
It doesn't make Thresh any less idiotic tho
It would be like saying Kalista is not a stupid champion because Vayne exists
EDIT: even found my old thread with a quick google search
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3646874
"Sona could lose everything except her Ult and Power Cord and still be a better support."
wow, people were retarded as hell back then too
Yosuke Apperu1 votesBlitz's hook is harder to dodge than thresh's however. Plus as blitz dont grab if you don't want to engage XD. Oh and blitz's grab is safer than thresh's as it keeps him still tightly to his team.
50000000000000001 votesThresh doesn't have to face the direction his hook his going to go. So thresh hook is impossible to dodge if thresh knows what he's doing.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesYou can see when he's going to do it thought because it's a wind up cast. Blitz on the other hand is like walking walking wa-FIRE BLITZ ARM CANNON
50000000000000001 votesLux and Ezreal ult has wind up, but imagine if they don't have to face the direction they casted their ultimate and only decide where to shoot it at the end of cast.
Thresh hook has higher projectile speed than blitz hook, too. So if the thresh player decides to use this trick, the only counterplay is guessing which direction he's gonna cast his hook. Blitz hook you can actually side step.
Sir Yamazuki22 votesHe's the flashiest and arguably the "coolest" support in the game, of course people are going to pick him.
I don't get why people dislike thresh so much, sure he's good at most things supports can do but is that really a bad thing? Do people enjoy losing to a janna, annie, blitz, soraka, braum, annie who barely require any kind of mechanics to be played reliably?
Play thresh bad and your botlane loses, play other supports bad and you still have a huge chance at winning bot because your goal is easy to achieve.
Champions are always popular due to strengths and not because of "coolness".
StoryDuck2 votesHonestly, I don't think he is interesting at all. Ever since I started playing and I main support. Every time I tried him I felt underwhelmed. Yeah, his kit is loaded with more tricks and play making abilities then an NFL quarterback, but I never really felt like he was great. It was nice to land a Q and engage on the enemy but when engaging on the enemy I always had more fun as Leona when engaging. Sure he can peel better then most support (which really bugs me) but Janna feels more satisfying to peel with.
I think the biggest problem I have with him is that he does everything TOO well. It's like the difference between playing Doom for the first time or playing Doom with all weapons unlocked and infinite ammo. I like that Janna cannot engage as it's a clear weakness, I like that Soraka is super squishy, I like that champions have clear weaknesses, Thresh...doesn't have that. He does everything, and does everything well. Tanks, pokes, peels, engages, and shields.
That said, I love the lantern. I think it is the only part I find fun about him and wish that he had more focus on that aspect of him rather then having a bit(/lot) of everything that supports have. If I had to pick something to change about him that would make him fun? I would remove his double abilities. Like, why does he need a scaling AA steroid attached to his Flay? That just lets him poke with the best of poke supports on an ability that is already a great peeling or engaging tool. Why does he need a shield with Dark passage? That just a buff he doesn't need, I barely ever see it used to actually prevent damage and mostly just to pull adc out of danger or pull jungler in for a gank (Its already way powerful, why add the shield?).
darkmatchwaldo1 votesI defintely agree. In my opinion, thresh's only real weakness is the player themselves. You kinda have to study their play and figure out something that can be taken advantage of. It's really easy in bronze/silver where they have clear weaknesses (they play too aggressive so it's an easy lane to gank, they keep trying obviously bad hook shots so you have windows to trade safely, etc.) but when you get up to a higher level of play those bad plays stop happening and he becomes much harder to outplay.
Only Play Darius9 votesHonestly fuck 
. Zero skill to play and zero finesse in use. Toxic anti-fun kit that can get you 100-0'd instantly at any stage of the game for getting caught by a fast moving skillshot with zero windup, makes the game miserable for both of the players in botlane unless one of them is Alistar or Leona. And it doesn't help that Blitz players are more often than not toxic scum that constantly spams laugh and talks shit in /all.
completely outclasses Blitz in LCS because Thresh is essentially Blitzcrank if Blitz was actually designed to be a support, and I am 100% fine with that.
SwapShadows10 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7fO7jwiI,comment-id=00010004,timestamp=2015-09-19T18:44:50.497+0000)
Honestly fuck
what I hate even more is blitz players that miss every single hook then finally land one "gg godhand ez game"
Only Play Darius12 votesTypical Blitzcrank player. It's half the reason I hate him so much.
Worst part is missing all the hooks and landing that one lucky grab can actually win the game.
Yuri By Mail3 votesYou haven't seen Blitzcrank until you've seen Movement Speed Blitzcrank.
Biffolo1 votesYes, because the other ones have much more clearly defined weaknesses. Thresh has a contingency plan for everything. You don't feel like it's you winning when you play him as a result. It's the champion winning because you aren't a squirrel with dementia.
Ariel the Cruel3 votesbecause you aren't a squirrel with dementia.
You called?
Biffolo1 votesYou win.
TurquoiseYoshi9 votesMaybe Riot could fix his hook hitbox to not magically magnetize to anyone within the general vicinity of it.
Ariel the Cruel2 votes2 notes to help with this:
The hit-box is actually L shaped. it moves left from the blade.
The hit-box doubles at max range. This was to help him land max range hooks. . . . Because. . . Reasons.
Frostwoman9 votesI have seen exactly zero namis recently.
I think you mean Braum/Ali/Leo/Janna and occasional Kennen/Soraka/Annie/Bard.
I think the Support picks will be more varied this season.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesI have seen exactly zero namis recently.
I saw one about a week ago. But then, I see a lot of different supports. . . . I'm the one who plays them. XD
Durzaka4 votesThought people might be interested in that. Dont clue how to actually post the damn image, but whatever.
stealthfox943 votesk
The Bíg Ticket3 votesZyra was the most played champ in Season 3 worlds. That is a fact.
VDc0zCqe0w12 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7fO7jwiI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-09-19T17:55:20.282+0000)
Zyra was the most played champ in Season 3 worlds. That is a fact.
Pick/Ban mate, Picks, and, Bans, else you could easily say Zed wasn't OP as fuck because he wasn't the top picked champion: well no shit sherlock that's because he was permabanned.
SunriseSkaterKid1 votesWhy is the league community so toxic to champs with hooks? We're acting like thresh is over-powered. He's strong but not OP. He's the new leona, an easy champion for anyone to pick up when learning support. What do you guys want done to him? What is so overpowered about him? Almost every suggestion ive ever seen involves changing his kit.
ZephyrDrake3 votesWhy is the league community so toxic to champs with hooks? We're acting like thresh is over-powered. He's strong but not OP. He's the new leona, an easy champion for anyone to pick up when learning support. What do you guys want done to him? What is so overpowered about him? Almost every suggestion ive ever seen involves changing his kit.
he might not be "OP" but he is way too strong. He is THE most picked support for a reason and Leona easy? sorry but what? If you are new to support you shouldn't pick someone like Leona who punishes you heavily when you make even the slightest of mistakes.
SunriseSkaterKid2 voteshe might not be "OP" but he is way too strong. He is THE most picked support for a reason and Leona easy? sorry but what? If you are new to support you shouldn't pick someone like Leona who punishes you heavily when you make even the slightest of mistakes.
Are you kidding me? Leona is the easiest support to play for a bronze kid to learn the mechanics of a support. In high tier games yes she has a very decent skill cap but shes easy as fuck for a first support. All u do is press E Q and hit an ulti and u land a kill in lane. And hes the most picked support because people ADORE the champion. Hes a staple for supports and an amazing play maker. Everyone who plays support plays thresh. WHy is lee sin the most picked jungler? Cause he has a cult following and is an all around fun champion. Is he fun? Hell yes. Is lee good? No. Hes actually sitting at one of the lowest win rates. Just cause a champion is picked a lot doesn't necessarily mean he is strong or op. All top tier support players have always mained thresh as their top 3 picks as a support. Just like how now top laners are picking Moa as their go to top laner.
ZephyrDrake2 votesAre you kidding me? Leona is the easiest support to play for a bronze kid to learn the mechanics of a support. In high tier games yes she has a very decent skill cap but shes easy as fuck for a first support. All u do is press E Q and hit an ulti and u land a kill in lane. And hes the most picked support because people ADORE the champion. Hes a staple for supports and an amazing play maker. Everyone who plays support plays thresh. WHy is lee sin the most picked jungler? Cause he has a cult following and is an all around fun champion. Is he fun? Hell yes. Is lee good? No. Hes actually sitting at one of the lowest win rates. Just cause a champion is picked a lot doesn't necessarily mean he is strong or op. All top tier support players have always mained thresh as their top 3 picks as a support. Just like how now top laners are picking Moa as their go to top laner.
sorry but what? his win rate is 49.41% which considering his 37.15% pick rate! it's not bad at all. Leona can do well just like how she can fuck up extremely easily. Leona is not newbie friendly unless you like just going ham every single time.
Thresh is not picked because he is "adored" he is picked because HE HAS NO BAD MATCH UPS and he is very forgiving and guess what? Maokai has a 3.33% pick rate! very different from the goddamn 37.15% pick rate of Thresh's! Thresh is too strong or way too versatile of a champion (which in turn makes him too strong anyways!) whether you want to admit to it or not. When something has that high of a pick rate it's more than people just "adoring him"
SunriseSkaterKid1 votessorry but what? his win rate is 49.41% which considering his 37.15% pick rate! it's not bad at all. Leona can do well just like how she can fuck up extremely easily. Leona is not newbie friendly unless you like just going ham every single time.
Thresh is not picked because he is "adored" he is picked because HE HAS NO BAD MATCH UPS and he is very forgiving and guess what? Maokai has a 3.33% pick rate! very different from the goddamn 37.15% pick rate of Thresh's! Thresh is too strong or way too versatile of a champion (which in turn makes him too strong anyways!) whether you want to admit to it or not. When something has that high of a pick rate it's more than people just "adoring him"
win rate win rate win rate. Win rate determines the champions brokeness right? Malph number 1 top lane win rate. Broken? Nope. Amumu number jungle win rate. Best jungler? no. Lux number 1 mid win rate. Lux best mid? Meh. Brand number 1 support win rate. Is he even suppose to be a support? You guys judge brokeness on win rate which is the dumbest thing ever. Galio has the 13th highest win rate. WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU SEEN A GALIO? Thresh's pick rate has always been ridiculous especially since the number of viable supports has always been very low. Half of the supports in the game aren't viable in this meta and half of the supports who are picked are picked because of team comps. Thresh isnt broken he is strong but not too strong. He is picked because he is versatile and can fit in almost any team comp which isn't a problem at all. Versatility doesn't make a champion strong, his numbers make him strong and clearly if he hasnt been changed really for the past 3 years he's been in the game then something about him is in a perfect state. BTW you say people don't pick thresh cause they adore him but look at any support main and thresh is in their top 3 picked supports. Every support loves thresh cause he is fun and has always been a healthy and safe choice for all players.
ZephyrDrake1 voteswin rate win rate win rate. Win rate determines the champions brokeness right? Malph number 1 top lane win rate. Broken? Nope. Amumu number jungle win rate. Best jungler? no. Lux number 1 mid win rate. Lux best mid? Meh. Brand number 1 support win rate. Is he even suppose to be a support? You guys judge brokeness on win rate which is the dumbest thing ever. Galio has the 13th highest win rate. WHEN THE FUCK HAVE YOU SEEN A GALIO? Thresh's pick rate has always been ridiculous especially since the number of viable supports has always been very low. Half of the supports in the game aren't viable in this meta and half of the supports who are picked are picked because of team comps. Thresh isnt broken he is strong but not too strong. He is picked because he is versatile and can fit in almost any team comp which isn't a problem at all. Versatility doesn't make a champion strong, his numbers make him strong and clearly if he hasnt been changed really for the past 3 years he's been in the game then something about him is in a perfect state. BTW you say people don't pick thresh cause they adore him but look at any support main and thresh is in their top 3 picked supports. Every support loves thresh cause he is fun and has always been a healthy and safe choice for all players.
if you say so. Sorry but if he has such a high pick rate he is not healthy at all. He is overshadowing other champions by QUITE A BIG MARGIN. Yo8u can spew all you want about how "healthy" he is, doesn't make a single difference since HE ISN'T. Him being versatile isn't an issue in itself but when he does so good no matter what to the point that you ask yourself "why should i bother picking this support when i can just pick Thresh and get something similar and much more". He offers everything you want in a support. Peel, engage, utility and his damage isn't half bad all while being able to build like a tank. Then you have the other supports which although they might be better than Thresh at a specific thing, that's all they are good for while Thresh doesn't give a damn. People pick Thresh because he is 90% of the time the better choice while the other supports are just plain bad. Thresh offers way too much, the saying "jack of all trades master of none" doesn't even come close to being what Thresh is since that would imply that you would pick someone else if you want something in specific. With Thresh you don't need to make that choice, you can pick Thresh and leave it at that. People do not pick Thresh simply because he is "fun" they pick him because he is overloaded as fuck. Like a said when the next most pick support has almost 20% less pick rate than him there is an issue.
Also love how you come spewing "win rate this and win rate that" at the start when i only mentioned win rates once and the entire post was about him being picked so much more often than any other support and it's one of the most champions in a role, with Vayne being the only other champion being picked in such high numbers for it's role. Hell Thresh is the SECOND most picked champion in the entire game! Sorry but he is not healthy for the game at all in his current state