Sejuani is basically in the same state she was pre-buffs

VDc0zCqe0w·Oct 13, 2015·57 votes·2,180 views

Basically pre-buffs slow clears again since she's been nerfed everywhere AND by cinderhulk nerfs.

Look, I understand her dealing stupid damage to champions while being fast at clearing jungle was bad, but now she's slow and doesn't deal damage again: same situation as S3 pre-rework, same situation as S5 pre-buffs.

Buff her damage to monsters only and keep everything else the same, at least she won't take 2 hours doing raptors while taking a ton of damage.

28 Comments

LankPantsOct 13, 201510 votes

All they need to do is either revert the last nerf or buff the HP scaling on her W a little.

She'd be an average champ after that since her itemisation is way worse than it was.

TurquoiseYoshiOct 13, 20155 votes

She's pretty much just a weaker version of Amumu right now. There's no real reason to use her.

Baron of BreadOct 14, 20152 votes

Her engage is safer since she doesn't have to go in to use it. She also has more soft cc.

That aside, I would probably pick Amumu over her in most situations because her strengths are not as big as her weaknesses, at least compared to the mummy.

LaughingMan11Oct 13, 20153 votes

I really dont see the issue, i have never had any problems doing well with Sejuani, before the rework, after the rework, or even now. But personally im okay with people thinking shes weak, i like being able to play her.

alfavhunterOct 13, 20153 votes

Make W deal 50% more damage to monsters

Bamb. She is in a good spot again

Edit: don't no why this is getting down votes W is her damage over time effect meaning she still won't just burst through monsters but it will still clear faster

It's a way to buff her clear time without buffing her camp stealing ability for burst on the camp

Yes 50% might be to much, but this is an IDEA, subject to number changes

The reason I chose W was to keep her from gaining to much burst power for jungle which could have been used to be better at stealing camps directly from other junglers, which is not where her strength should be, by buffing W for jungle you give her better clear without better theft power

Baron of BreadOct 14, 20151 votes

It might have helped if you said that the 50% applied to only the damage over time part.

THESuperStuntManOct 14, 20153 votes

Actually she has more mana (significant because she had mana problems before), her ult is less reliable since it does basically nothing if it misses, and she does less damage than she used to. AP Sejuani (or at least bruiser Sejuani) was a thing before the changes. Now she gets so little from building damage that she may as well just build full tank. She's actually significantly weaker than she was before the original buff.

InphernalOct 13, 20152 votes

Sejuani? Taking a long time to do raptors? I think you're playing another champ

VDc0zCqe0wOct 13, 201512 votes

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Sejuani? Taking a long time to do raptors? I think you're playing another champ

Yeah i mean she takes a lot of time compared to.....everyone besides rammus

What champ are you playing?

LankPantsOct 13, 20155 votes

What champ are you playing?

Apparently Leona, I think I found the problem.

Meep ManOct 13, 20152 votes

My friend plays Sej and he does perfectly fine clearing. Whats the problem? Also Pre-Season 5 buffs, she was already pretty good.

CrossetteOct 13, 20152 votes

Sej's W does a lot of damage.

I fought a Sej yesterday with this build and she 1v1ed our sated Jax...

Sejuani item 3709 item 3151 item 1329 item 3083 item 3143 item 3800

That was stupid.

LankPantsOct 13, 20159 votes

Your Jax was built in the least efficient way possible. He had a Sated Devour with no on-hits and no armour pen.

Sej also had a Spirit Visage, not a Glory and Ionian's rather than Mobi's. These are two big items as they give 25% CDR which is a huge boost to damage. Spirit Visage also allows Sej to resist Jax's magic damage as well as his Physical damage.

If Jax had a BotRK, SV and LW over Gauge, Maw and Ravenous he would have won easy, but as it happened Sej was perfectly itemised VS Jax and Jax's items were terrible.

CrossetteOct 13, 20153 votes

Ah, I was going off of memory. My mistake on the build there.

You bring up good points. I'm used to devourer junglers annihilating everything. xD

ChortleOct 13, 20152 votes

She's not FoTM, but she's in no way bad tbh.

Her ganks are great and her ult is Legendary in the right comps.

GigahappytownOct 13, 20152 votes

Sejuani needs her e 2.5 duration back

also what do you mean "pre-buffs" sejuani was strong before cinderhulk and her buffs before that were ages ago

RatbertOct 14, 20151 votes

"Strong before cinderhulk" Playing her was almost grounds for reports in S3. Nearly every popular jungler could invade her.

GigahappytownOct 14, 20152 votes

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"Strong before cinderhulk" Playing her was almost grounds for reports in S3. Nearly every popular jungler could invade her.

that and poor clear speeds were her only weaknesses and warding ahead of time would net you free kills

RatbertOct 14, 20151 votes

Those were massive glaring weaknesses back then. She also didn't have as much damage as she does now. It was all about the early game lead because snowbally champs were relatively strong and good enough that it was the best to do.

2yordles1cupcakeOct 13, 20151 votes

Leave sej alone, you kids are reason why certain champs cant be viable outside the meta. Amumu 2.0 didnt even need a rework, riot simply catered to mindhive who wanted to play her a certain way "easy mode, just stack hp" while ignoring her potential by going full ap.

Axis the DragonOct 13, 20153 votes

They literally just want a buff to her first clear

You don't even need to touch her damage to anything apart from monsters

YaskamasandwichOct 13, 20151 votes

Ah Sejuani pre cinderhulk, how I miss her. As for her being bad now is questionable but what she does need is a distinction from her and Amumu. Much like a needed distinction from Zyra and the Donger.

PartholonianOct 14, 20151 votes

Her ult is ranged, for one thing. For another, her Q will move her (even through walls) whether it hits anything or not. Their passives are not similar at all, except in the fact that neither of them cares much about it (compared to someone like Vel'koz or Annie whose passive is such an important part of their gameplay that it's practically a fifth spell).

I get how their Ws are sort of the same ("hurt a bunch of things around me" is a common spell category for tanks because it rewards frontline positioning), but really, there's probably a reasonable amount of difference for two champions of the same class.

Vegas DadOct 14, 20151 votes

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Basically pre-buffs slow clears again since she's been nerfed everywhere AND by cinderhulk nerfs.

Look, I understand her dealing stupid damage to champions while being fast at clearing jungle was bad, but now she's slow and doesn't deal damage again: same situation as S3 pre-rework, same situation as S5 pre-buffs.

Buff her damage to monsters only and keep everything else the same, at least she won't take 2 hours doing raptors while taking a ton of damage.

so balanced tanky initiator out of jungle? As opposed to tanky speed clearing, initiating 1 v 1 assassin god.

LankPantsOct 14, 20153 votes

As opposed to tanky speed clearing, initiating 1 v 1 assassin god.

LeeSin You called?

FeathermaneOct 14, 20151 votes

Needs a rework, like Veigar or Morde. Tack on some ridiculous shit like: charge knocks enemies through walls, E applies red buff, ult bounces 3 times.