Riot, Can you please take a look at Zyra?

Deus Imperator··4 votes·967 views

Could riot please take a look at her? Currently i am seeing the following issues

Her Ability passive is Useless,Absolutely Horrible, It just delays her death timer and the only utility it has is sniping a limping enemy once in a blue moon

Her Plants,they die too quick for no reason (Hello DoT,sunfire cape and minions) and dont prioritize champions on range

Her E is too telegraphed, can be easily dodged from miles away

Suggested changes to fix 2 things in 1 shot

Remove Current Passive

New Passive:Nature's Wrath Effect:Every 3 levels, Zyra Plants gain 1 HP and Stay active 2 seconds longer (Level 3/6/9/12/15/18)

Make W Store 1/2/2/3/4 Seeds Per level, and max amount of seeds to 5

Make her E Animation Faster

Knowing my streak of horrible buff ideas, i want the forums opinions on what changes zyra must have to not be a worse heimer anymore

7 Comments

Narasimha1 votes

Her Ability passive is Useless,Absolutely Horrible, It just delays her death timer and the only utility it has is sniping a limping enemy once in a blue moon

Yes to the ability being bad, no to the delay. All death timers start when a champion actually dies, not when their post-death effect ends. The only exception is that if your respawn timer is extremely low, like very early game, it'll give you an extra 2 seconds.

Her Plants,they die too quick for no reason (Hello DoT,sunfire cape and minions) and dont prioritize champions on range

Not sure what you mean here. They prioritize targets that Zyra hits. They're also not meant to be that durable. They're a bonus to her damage, not a primary source of it. Zyra gets her plants in addition to her spells, whereas Heimer has his turrets as a spell in itself.

Her E is too telegraphed, can be easily dodged from miles away

Entirely intended. It's an AOE root with almost 2 seconds of duration. It's supposed to be somewhat easy to dodge if you're able, because it is very devastating when it lands.

Remove Current Passive

New Passive:Nature's Wrath Effect:Every 3 levels, Zyra Plants gain 1 HP and Stay active 2 seconds longer (Level 3/6/9/12/15/18)

I'm all for the passive change, but this isn't the replacement she needs. She's not Heimer. Her plants are not the emphasis of her kit. She's a plant master. Her pets are there to support her, rather than the other way around for Heimer.

Make W Store 1/2/2/3/4 Seeds Per level, and max amount of seeds to 5

Oh dear gods no. That many plants out would be flat out obscene. I mean, that's not even remotely funny.

Make her E Animation Faster

Already discussed this, no point going back.

Honestly, I think your hearts in the right place, but it sounds like you simply don't know enough about Zyra to try and balance her.

Deus Imperator1 votes

I mean, she already can put 4 plants, could 5 make her too broken?

And her Rooting is only 2 seconds when MAXED, not before

And yes i dont know plenty about her, literally got zyra yesterday, just pointing out how fragile are her plants compared to heimer turrets, i admit they did a shiton of damage when combined with ryalis and liandry items

Unknown Char1 votes

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And yes i dont know plenty about her, literally got zyra yesterday, just pointing out how fragile are her plants compared to heimer turrets, i admit they did a shiton of damage when combined with ryalis and liandry items

You should practice some more. I'm not saying she is top tier, but she can be pretty anoying. Its all about timing and placement, as you said, she deals tons of dmg, if you get the plants to fire..

Narasimha1 votes

I mean, she already can put 4 plants, could 5 make her too broken?

She can put out 4 plants with extremely good planning and hoping the enemy doesn't do anything about it. It's much more common to have out 2, with 3 if you're ready.

And her Rooting is only 2 seconds when MAXED, not before

I don't what you mean by 'only' 2 seconds. 2 seconds is a pretty good time, And even at Rank 1, it's pretty much a 1 sec root, which is more than ample time to set up the rest of your basic combo (meaning EWQ or EQW if you're more skilled).

And yes i dont know plenty about her, literally got zyra yesterday, just pointing out how fragile are her plants compared to heimer turrets, i admit they did a shiton of damage when combined with ryalis and liandry items

Take some time and get to know her. The important thing to note is that Zyra and Heim are complete oppossites. For Heim, the turrets are the threat. Heim is there to set them up, using his W as poke/finisher, and his E for safety. Zyra's plants, on the other hand, are extensions of her regular spells. They boost her damage, but they aren't overly necessary for her to do her thing.

PopCorn Chick3n1 votes

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I mean, she already can put 4 plants, could 5 make her too broken?

And her Rooting is only 2 seconds when MAXED, not before

And yes i dont know plenty about her, literally got zyra yesterday, just pointing out how fragile are her plants compared to heimer turrets, i admit they did a shiton of damage when combined with ryalis and liandry items

The only time I can put up 4 plants (mostly 3 plants) are near or at the Baron to either get do more damage to Baron or blocking enemy from coming to Baron. It takes a long time to place 4 seeds even late game. She can either have max store seeds of 2 with a lot shorter cooldown on W or maxing W give Zyra one extra store seed-which is 3 in total. This will help her get more plants out and maybe change the playstyle of leveling up her skills such as maxing W before E.

warpenguin5551 votes

shes getting a rework

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