Soon Shyvana, Soon. . .

Deus Imperator·Mar 22, 2016·40 votes·2,926 views

Just wait a little longer, then FREELO abusers will stop tainting you

After that, we can be one big happy family once again, just you and me. . .

Lets see how much her play rate plummets after 6.6 Patch

61 Comments

WadeWilson1337Mar 22, 201616 votes

Thank god they didnt go through with the W nerf. You live another patch to not be Sejuani 2.0, freaky dragon girl.

Jet SettMar 22, 20165 votes

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Thank god they didnt go through with the W nerf. You live another patch to not be 2.0, freaky dragon grill.

http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hot-rod-grills-unusual-bbq-grill-design-dragon.jpg ftfy

masterdragon481Mar 22, 20168 votes

Funny thing: I don't even use the build they are nerfing. The Q nerf is gonna make me a little sad, but I'll get over it. Long live the true Shyvana mains!!!

GrimspeakeMar 22, 20162 votes

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Funny thing: I don't even use the build they are nerfing. The Q nerf is gonna make me a little sad, but I'll get over it. Long live the true Shyvana mains!!!

sated/botrk for the real mains. all i want is the double hit, the damage isnt going to bother me because i build attackspeed bruiser

masterdragon481Mar 22, 20161 votes

I go dev into mallet, followed by either a rageblade or a witts end (sometimes bork). I started running warlords so I don't necessarily need to get the bork to sustain in fights. Its really funny to watch people start fights with me, realize they can't win, and then realize they are now gonna get slowed until they die.

shyvMar 22, 20162 votes

what the fuck lmao

does that actually work it sounds terrible in theory but i wanna try it

masterdragon481Mar 22, 20161 votes

Its powerful. Oh I should also mention I run exhaust. I rely on clever positioning to enter teamfights and once I catch someone they have to flash away or die. Works pretty well.

Shyvana can get away with it because she gets more natural resistances than other champions. I'm usually getting a zzrot to smooth out the resistance, or just getting more of w/e resistance I need. Its why I really do like witts end, gives a little more magic resist.

shyvMar 22, 20161 votes

that sounds like fun

been maining shyv for a long time and experimented with a lot of builds but the one i like the most is item 3930 item 3153 item 3009 item 3742 item 3065 item 3190

i totally agree though, i don't think most shyv mains are running titanic hydra anyways. since she became FOTM it's been the most popular pick but i still think botrk is stronger and has great synergy with her. i doubt the hydra nerf will hurt real shyv mains at all.

MohawkBirdMar 23, 20162 votes

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Theiki KayleMar 23, 20161 votes

Oh, I just get Distortion CDR boots along with the Insight mastery and have my Flash up every 180s.

I remember an Azir one game must've hated me for having a blink to him (and over his wall) every 3 mins.

Slamurai JackMar 23, 20161 votes

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The true Shyvana players run exhaust over flash, my friend.

Yes and no. If you plan to counterjungle early, flash is a must. Otherwise yes, Exhaust is better.

DroogzyMar 23, 20161 votes

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Yes and no. If you plan to counterjungle early, flash is a must. Otherwise yes, Exhaust is better.

Eh it depends on the Jungle matchup. I do agree Flash over exhaust if you plan to counter jungle, but if your matchup is someone like Udyr or another Champion with no real gap-closer, Exhaust is still the better option.

MollMar 23, 20161 votes

Shyvana with exhaust are so easy to get first blood on 2 mins into the game.

shyvMar 23, 20161 votes

any half decent jungler is going to ward their own jungle and watch for early invades. this always works in low elo but the higher you get the less stupid people are.

MollMar 28, 20161 votes

Higher elo I see people picking up flash more.

shyvMar 28, 20161 votes

it's a personal preference as well as dependent on the matchup you're going into

if i'm against a champ that i know i can counterjungle pre 6 then i will definitely take flash

NuparuMar 23, 20161 votes

I've always heard this - along with the whole "Shaco and Eve run Ignite" - and I've always been confused as to why.

Flash is sooooo useful for her to just flash auto Q titanic and get an insta lol

KetiMar 23, 20161 votes

I don't :T

TacoTheKittenMar 22, 20161 votes

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shyvMar 22, 20161 votes

item 3094 is so toxic on her

KetiMar 23, 20161 votes

sated titanic is likely still the stronger choice post nerfs though.

PapaGreg21Mar 23, 20161 votes

I build warrior into Cowsep's full crit build usually. It is more fun than should be allowed.

GrimspeakeMar 22, 20166 votes

shes been one of my main champions since season 5, im just disappointed my freelo was discovered and now everyone calls me a freelo abuser whenever i choose to play her.

PhantomGGMar 22, 20164 votes

i know how you feel since the recent discovery of how op shyvana is i feel disgusted when i play her knowing she has been tainted

Vistha KaiMar 22, 20164 votes

A: Cancerous Devourer is a problem for two years. What do we do? B: Let's nerf champions using it! C: In a way that's completely meaningless and compensate for it, too! D: How about removing Devourer instead?

*D gets thrown out the window*

Captain AishiMar 23, 20163 votes

that feel when the only shyvana change that went through was the one that shouldn't have... they nerf lane shyvana while barely touching her jungle, and they keep the unnecessary bonus damage to monsters on her W... and still fail to delete devourer from the game :( and they don't adress her super buggy autoattacks that make her barely playable before getting 40% bonus attack speed (laning her sucks because of that, you can't autoattack your enemy if he's walking away from you because your auto cancels if he walks out of range during the animation... only champ in the game that does that AFAIK)

Sire HippingtonMar 23, 20161 votes

(laning her sucks because of that, you can't autoattack your enemy if he's walking away from you because your auto cancels if he walks out of range during the animation... only champ in the game that does that AFAIK)

thats not entirely true, some tanks have such bad AAs aswell, especially mao and nauti, who both have a strong passive linked to their AAs, though it isn't as obvious as they have the cc to keep oponents in their AA range, but in teamfights it often gets anyoing, even more so vs AS slows.

Captain AishiMar 23, 20161 votes

i don't play maokai so i can't tell for certain, but I can guarantee that nautilus does not suffer from bad autoattacks, even if he swings slowly, he always completes his swing on his opponent even if they dash or blink away, while no one has ever died to a shyvana autoattack or Q after flashing away from her since it automatically cancels her attack and puts her back into idle animation :(

Vistha KaiMar 23, 20161 votes

I've heard Illaoi with her W(E? Dunno, don't play her) empowered attack has similar issue, as in people can walk out of it.

Agreed, though. Riot has a tendency to nerf exactly not the things they should.

This one, Shyvana's, is literally meaningless for her jungling and substantial for her laning, which already is highly underplayed due to the cancerous Devourer.

Captain AishiMar 23, 20161 votes

i think what you're referring to is the same with irelia and fizz Q that you can blink out of the way of the dash and not get hit with the damage (same way you can flash alistar headbutt and not get knocked by it)

The Bearded BardMar 22, 20162 votes

I hear ya. I even called her rise to power months before it happened. It's a good thing the attention spans of most of the people that play this game are so tiny.

It sucks I'm gonna have to max RWQE instead of the usual RWEQ

TheThundersRoarMar 22, 20162 votes

Can confirm Q > E works just fine. I got to mastery rank 4 before learning people max E > Q.

The Bearded BardMar 22, 20162 votes

It's personal preference. Most people think WEQ is the better order, and until this patch goes through, I'm inclined to agree with them.

kaltenashesMar 23, 20161 votes

at least yi and udyr are getting nerfs =D

GrimspeakeMar 22, 20163 votes

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I hear ya. I even called her rise to power months before it happened. It's a good thing the attention spans of most of the people that play this game are so tiny.

It sucks I'm gonna have to max RWQE instead of the usual RWEQ

what... why would u ever max e over q unless your laning and need to farm out of darius's pull???

The Bearded BardMar 22, 20161 votes

A gain of aoe ranged 40 magic damage per level vs a gain of single target melee 5% AD ratio per level.

You're fine doing either, but before the Q nerfs, it was better to max E before Q. That's why they nerfed Q of all things, so maxing E second now drops your damage output instead of making it stronger.

GrimspeakeMar 22, 20163 votes

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A gain of aoe ranged 40 magic damage per level vs a gain of single target melee 5% AD ratio per level.

You're fine doing either, but before the Q nerfs, it was better to max E before Q. That's why they nerfed Q of all things, so maxing E second now drops your damage output instead of making it stronger.

u want q on a lower cd and it outputs more sustained damage, your w is already enough to clear the small minions.

The Bearded BardMar 22, 20162 votes

You do you.

Sassmast3rMar 22, 20162 votes

Can we just talk about how sassy y'all are about Shyvana, like damn. This is how I feel about Karma, praise the sun nobody realizes how incredibly broken she is. Unfortunately she's getting buffs, which means LCS players will use her and then she'll be nerfed again unfortunately. But at least I can enjoy her while she lasts.

kaltenashesMar 22, 20162 votes

she getting buffs for like 3 patches in a row, some still say she's not that good... they dont know how wrong they are

but the nerfs will be scary, hope rito forget her like everyone else and just let her keep these buffs =D

Voluug13Mar 23, 20161 votes

Yeah but at the end of the day Karma still has a shit kit and is being pidgeonholed into support. Her kit has no direction because it was made by someone that was completly ignorant to the role Karma had pre-rework.

The buffs wont solve her problems, but at this rate she will eventually get powercreeped or numberbuffed into pick/ban status by numbers alone.

kaltenashesMar 23, 20161 votes

i like the new kit, no one knew what her old kit did (they say 'grab the lantern' but nobody knew about her w speed up or q-heal...), its easier to play (i'm not a 'fan' of solo lane karma) and easier to make an impact good roams (using e to get mov speed and w to snare), meh poke , good to pick enemy out of position (FQC + mov. speed allies + snare enemy), can help peeling (q w someone who wants to get backline, shield mov speed to all allies)

Voluug13Mar 23, 20161 votes

no one knew what her old kit did

No one knew what Bard did at its release, but he wasnt excluded from free rotations on a whim.

its easier to play (i'm not a 'fan' of solo lane karma)

Opinion. And Karma was a midlaner before rework, anyone that used her as a support met failure because she needed the gold.

and easier to make an impact good roams (using e to get mov speed and w to snare),

You can do the same, but better, on champions that can scale better.

good to pick enemy out of position (FQC + mov. speed allies + snare enemy), can help peeling (q w someone who wants to get backline, shield mov speed to all allies)

This is something most champions can do, specially supports.

Truth is, Karma right now needs to be completly overbuffed to be relevant because her kit is trash.

Emperor TimeMar 22, 20161 votes

I don't think her winrate will really sink that far, All they did was reduce her q damage at early levels which didn't really target the one thing she's insanely better at than other champions, which is farming. Also her W does insane damage so not sure why that wasn't nerfed.

TacoTheKittenMar 22, 20161 votes

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Emperor TimeMar 22, 20161 votes

The W does insane damage to monsters is what I ment. They removed the 20% increased damage it deals to monsters on pbe for a while, but reverted it for some reason.

TacoTheKittenMar 26, 20161 votes

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Emperor TimeMar 26, 20161 votes

They triple nerfed Rengar a couple patches ago, so they definitely can double nerf that op ass champion. Rengar wasn't even that strong before his nerfs :^( at least shyv was strong already when they nerfed her.

YouPoroMar 23, 20161 votes

She's still strong lol, do people read patch notes? her scaling is just lower mid game, her end game spike is the same. 180/185/190/195/200% total attack damage ⇒ 140/155/170/185/200% total attack damage , to put this in perspective, at level 9 she will be exactly the same lol, still gives some time for her to win up it's an ok nerf but nothing hard.