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Vayne now has the #1 pick rate in the game

Lugg··28 votes·2,688 views

...and a 51% win rate. Yet still no word from Riot on nerfs. I'm sorry, but I have a problem with any hyper carry having a safe early game. Riot needs to nerf her early game or nerf her late game.

EDIT: Adding this in since I am getting this question a lot.

I agree 51% is about perfect for win rate, but there is a lot more to look at than just a champions win %. There are TONS of champions who were obviously OP and were nerfed even though their win percentage was below 50. When you have a champion being played the most it means a lot of non-mains are playing that champion and doing well with her. You also have to factor in that the main opponents she is going against are other ADCs that are very strong right now (i.e. Jinx and Tris).

She would have been fine, except for the fact that Riot nerfed her counters so hard. So now she is the one who is OP. It's just a weird cycle the game goes through whenever they change the meta.

116 Comments

Silents42915 votes

Well someone has to be the number 1 picked..

And 51% winrate isn't that bad.

Fadedpf7 votes

Im getting sick of Riot ignoring threads about Riven, Vayne and Sated. They could all use nerfs, to what degree I don't know but Riot is completely taking it all like some big joke. "Oh look another nerf Vayne thread they don't know what they are talking about they probably want Thresh and Lee Sin nerfs too cant do that."

Lugg5 votes

She used to be fine, but Riot nerfed all the lane bullies bottom. So now her laning phase is quite easy.

Fadedpf6 votes

She was still a great hyper carry back then. Then they nerfed lane bullies and agressive supports. Along with nerfing armor hard and giving bork buffs. She is out of hand because of all of this.

A Miss Fortune4 votes

Right now I feel like only two ADCs, being Caitlyn and Miss Fortune really can counter Vayne, and that's only during the early game phase. Not only does she outscale them, but also most ADCs with maybe the exception of Tristana, but she can still find a way to win against them early game even after dying multiple times.

Lugg3 votes

Jinx and Tris can still match her scaling, but that is it. I just wish Riot would buff MF's ult a little more and she would be in a great position.

Matezoide7 votes

Better nerf Shen and Rek'Sai

LoLKiru1 votes

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Better nerf Shen and Rek'Sai

Hey, don't knock that Titanic Hydra Shen! Its really good.

OT: is Rek'Sai getting ANOTHER nerf that I'm somehow blissfully unaware of?

Matezoide4 votes

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Hey, don't knock that Titanic Hydra Shen! Its really good.

OT: is Rek'Sai getting ANOTHER nerf that I'm somehow blissfully unaware of?

Yup. Riot loves nerfing her.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/820-pbe-update.html

Fury of the Xer'Sai (Passive) effect removed: next attack or ability while burrowed no longer generates 15 bonus fury.

Lugg3 votes

I have to say I want her nerfed. Tired of seeing her in almost every pro game.

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

She was barely played at all in the playoffs though. They mostly just played elise, gragas, and ekko. Very few rek sais.

Lugg1 votes

Well Elise is so broken right now, what pro wouldn't play her. Gragas is picked for his disengage in team comps. Ekko is picked for his zone control. Rek is still seeing plenty of play.

xxxMadLionxxx3 votes

lol. the tank meta leave us no choice but to pick her as adc

Lugg1 votes

I would agree with that except for the fact that Kog does % health damage too and his pick rate hasn't changed at all.

One Bind Morgana3 votes

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I would agree with that except for the fact that Kog does % health damage too and his pick rate hasn't changed at all.

vayne has far higher attack damage and attack speed at 18

she also gets 70 attack damage from ult as well as retarded mobility

silver bolts and bioarcane barrage are very comparable abilities other than the range increase, which doesn't really matter considering how mobile vayne is

also vayne actually buys crit instead of ending the game with 30 some odd % like kogmaw does

basically: kogmaw is inferior to vayne in every way. i can't see a reason you'd pick him over vayne in any game

Jefftiffy2 votes

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vayne has far higher attack damage and attack speed at 18

she also gets 70 attack damage from ult as well as retarded mobility

silver bolts and bioarcane barrage are very comparable abilities other than the range increase, which doesn't really matter considering how mobile vayne is

also vayne actually buys crit instead of ending the game with 30 some odd % like kogmaw does

basically: kogmaw is inferior to vayne in every way. i can't see a reason you'd pick him over vayne in any game

Pros would beg to differ. His normal built includes a Botrk combined with his % current hp magic damage and range extender and an ult that ramps up pretty fast. He's just choked out because his passive has a decent amount of his power. The last time Kog'maw got big he was eating teams in under 8s it was really scary. You would watch a full stacked cho'gath die in about 3s or less. You would die in about 3 hits no matter who you were. He's still a monster, but it's really hard to do well in solo queue when teams don't peel for you as a ADC that literally has no escapes and has to play around your range extender and damage amp.

Sassmast3r3 votes

Kog lacks any form of mobility, so I can kind of see that. It would require a team that truly knows what they're doing and what the definition of "Peel" is to make him chosen more.

Lugg1 votes

That's why you see pro teams run the "Jugger-Kog" or "Protect the Kog" team comps. If Kog has a Janna and Lulu on his team, he basically can 1v5 the other team.

Sassmast3r1 votes

Exactly, why choose someone who needs an entire team composition to deal his damage when you can choose someone who is more badass, not only personality-wise, but also gameplay-wise and can do perfectly fine on her own?

Sulghunter2 votes

The essence of why she is the chosen of yoloqueue.

S2C2Xd9KOy2 votes

Is this account your smurf?

Lugg1 votes

Yeah, why do you ask?

S2C2Xd9KOy2 votes

bc I'm really tired of bronze players saying vayne is overpowered when she's honestly terrible in the sense that if you put her behind at all she's irrelevant.

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Lugg1 votes

Riven Lovejoy spreading more lies across the boards. No surprise there.

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Lugg1 votes

A smurf account is your lower ranked account. That's the definition of a smurf account.

BTW, my other account is climbing, so it won't be too long before I am happily deleting you from the rift.

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Lugg1 votes

Doesn't really matter, I see you dropping like a stone in ranked. You will be down in low ELO before long.

Wait a minute, that explains everything! You want Riven buffed because you can't win on a champ that isn't stupidly broken. It all makes sense now.

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Lugg1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qV26wosh,comment-id=000a000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-26T02:56:07.697+0000) its possible to 1v9 every game below d3 mmr.

Oh my God, I was wrong in my previous posts. It isn't because you need a broken champ to win or that you are trolling me. I now see that you are literally bat-shit crazy.

Anyone who reads that will agree with me.

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Lugg1 votes

I so want you to create a Bronze V account and climb out. You obvious have zero clue how bad your teammates are at low ELO. Faker couldn't win some of the games I have experienced.

BluePolarizer2 votes

Multiple diamonds have already stated that Vayne is OP.

Vayne is the opposite; it doesn't matter how much you put her behind because she scales hard. She doesn't need to put the enemy carry behind, she just needs to get enough gold for items. It doesn't matter if the enemy carry is 6 slotted if its Graves or Lucian, a 4 slotted Vayne can still kill them easily.

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

okay and you're a sheep who listens to what other people say and use that as your opinion.

My opinion is she's trash. She's more than easy to put behind and she's not hard to outkite, just stay away from walls and you'll beat her, unless you're using graves or lucian... then you're dumb for picking them into vayne lmfao

Lugg1 votes

You are allowed to have your opinion, but I hate to tell you, it's completely wrong.

Name a single ADC right now that is easy to put her behind? Outkite a Vayne? You have to be trolling at this point. Stay away from walls? I guess you never play on Summoners Rift or this is more trolling. Graves and Lucian are supposed to be the hard counters to Vayne. This is just further proof she needs nerfed.

Honestly, I have seen guys who aren't even level 30 put up better arguments than yours.

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

Kalista outkites Vayne for free and her rend slows.... Jinx can also outkite her if you're not garbage

Lugg1 votes

Yeah, if the Vayne player is complete garbage. Heck even a garbage Vayne wouldn't be kited by Jinx. You do realize that Vayne's passive gives her +30 MS that is tripled when she ults. Not to mention the tumbling and invisibility. Good luck hitting a Vayne with any of Jinx's slows or snares.

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

Im sorry but I have no real desire to listen to anything you try and argue because of the fact that you're bronze 1 and have surely never actually participated in a game with an actual good adc facing vayne. vayne is baaaaaaaad

Lugg1 votes

Yeah, what's your excuse for all the Diamond players that are agreeing with me?

Go troll elsewhere.

S2C2Xd9KOy1 votes

God damn I just saw your comment spree against the diamond Riven main and you just made everything you've said on the boards irrelevant. I've realized theres no point to continue this conversation either. You're in bronze and therefore you get stomped by Vayne because you aren't good enough to beat her. You think Kalista can actually get out-kited as well which is a hilarious statement in itself. QQ. Lmfao. Can't wait to "delete you from the rift" :'))))))

Lugg1 votes

Ah yes, resorting to the low ELO argument since you know you can't prove me wrong. Another victory achieved.

By the way, I have very little problems playing against Vayne, but I am smart enough to acknowledge that she is a problem.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

i picked up vayne after few games on my low elo account as vayne jungle. before sated devourer i just built reg devourer an red smite an ended up getting 100+ magic damage per hit on my AA. now with sated vayne jungle is even better than before. i just like to play vayne she is alot of fun and there is so much out play potential with her kit and you can kill almost all those filthy assassin mains 1 vs 1.

TyroneWatermelon3 votes

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i picked up vayne after few games on my low elo account as vayne jungle. before sated devourer i just built reg devourer an red smite an ended up getting 100+ magic damage per hit on my AA. now with sated vayne jungle is even better than before. i just like to play vayne she is alot of fun and there is so much out play potential with her kit and you can kill almost all those filthy assassin mains 1 vs 1.

You play Vayne,she doesn't match your name

Alpharite1 votes

Why don't we fucking buff other ADCs instead of nerfing THEM ALL

Lugg1 votes

We already have ADC's playing bot, mid, and top despite the nerfs.

Hell, let's just buff them all and have ADC junglers and ADC supports as well. We can then have 5 ADC vs 5 ADC games in an ADC meta. Sounds so fun.

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

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We already have ADC's playing bot, mid, and top despite the nerfs.

Hell, let's just buff them all and have ADC junglers and ADC supports as well. We can then have 5 ADC vs 5 ADC games in an ADC meta. Sounds so fun.

The team with Draven wins...

Alpharite1 votes

Lolwut?

Bot ADCs shouldn't exactly be a problem.

There is ONE viable ADC mid that actually builds AD, and that's Varus (who btw is being completely phased out right now).

In terms of toplane ADCs, the only ranged AD champion outside of Gnar is Quinn, with a .46% playrate. If you can't deal with an ADC top once every 200 games, this might not be the game for you.

Not a single ADC has a winrate in the top 20. The closest is Sivir at rank 21. But no, ADCs are broken right now, correct?

Now if you applied some common sense, perhaps you would see that Vayne's counters have all been nerfed.

But no, let's complain about Vayne, and then complain about her counters, and also complain about people who she counters.

Yeah, let's keep complaining, great idea.

And let's not mention the fucking atrocity that is Mordekaiser botlane.

Your argument is literally akin to complaining that all teams have a jungler who ganks you, and that every game you have to ward and not push which makes it unfun.

Lugg1 votes

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Now if you applied some common sense, perhaps you would see that Vayne's counters have all been nerfed.

I have applied common sense. What is more likely to happen: All of Vayne's counters get their nerfs reverted or Vayne gets nerfed?

Pretty easy question if you ask me.

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