Mundo out-healing my ult with Grevious wound

Beatrice falls··7 votes·2,776 views

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Mundo with item 3065 item 3194 item 3111 and 2 levels behind me (he was afk for a long time during that game)

Malzahar (me) with item 3165 item 3151 item 3027 item 3020

I'd like to know how is this ok for him to literally ignore my ult damage (which don't forget are % health per second added to Liandry's) and absolutly heal over it ?

19 Comments

Kürohyøu6 votes

Probably cause malzahar is a joke relegated to little more than a support role now days. Noone actually plays malz. Let alone as a mid laner. They nerfed him into oblivion.

ValiantKiller3 votes

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Probably cause malzahar is a joke relegated to little more than a support role now days. Noone actually plays malz. Let alone as a mid laner. They nerfed him into oblivion.

Neither any mage would made damage to mundo with that build, he got 3 mr that boost his healing xD

Chembaron Yamada6 votes
  1. He had item 3194, which works well against damage over time effects like your ult.
  2. Mundos E passive grants him 2% more MR every time he takes magic damage up to a cap of 30%, again, great against damage over time effects.

Mundo is designed to counter magic damage dealers and can deal especially well with dots because of his E passive. Not surprised that he managed to do that the slightest.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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  1. He had item 3194, which works well against damage over time effects like your ult.
  2. Mundos E passive grants him 2% more MR every time he takes magic damage up to a cap of 30%, again, great against damage over time effects.

Mundo is designed to counter magic damage dealers and can deal especially well with dots because of his E passive. Not surprised that he managed to do that the slightest.

If Volibear with 2 mr items and his passive can out heal veigar burst then sure mundo can.

Beatrice falls1 votes

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  1. He had item 3194, which works well against damage over time effects like your ult.
  2. Mundos E passive grants him 2% more MR every time he takes magic damage up to a cap of 30%, again, great against damage over time effects.

Mundo is designed to counter magic damage dealers and can deal especially well with dots because of his E passive. Not surprised that he managed to do that the slightest.

Oh didn't know about his E granting MR. Since when is it there ? I don't recall it

Ayzev1 votes

Since patch 7.15

hhaavviikk1 votes

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  1. He had item 3194, which works well against damage over time effects like your ult.
  2. Mundos E passive grants him 2% more MR every time he takes magic damage up to a cap of 30%, again, great against damage over time effects.

Mundo is designed to counter magic damage dealers and can deal especially well with dots because of his E passive. Not surprised that he managed to do that the slightest.

now if only there could be an AD version of that, sadly whenever malphite or rammus dominate AD champs they get nerfed...

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

I have hope for Rammus' VGU. He is supposed to be the anti-AD tank and they can probably embrace this more with a new kit.

Sad Chihuahua5 votes

Mundo's healing: (75% HP x 1.3) x 0.6 = 58.5% HP over 12 seconds or 4.875% per second. Mundo would have ~2700 HP at level 15 with Resolve runes and his items. That means he heals 131 HP per second from ult.

Now passive: (0.3% of HP per second x 1.3) x 0.6 = 6 HP per sec.

Now HP5: (18 + 18 + 18) x 1.3 = 70 or 7 hp per second x 0.6 = 4.2 HP per sec.

Let's assume he has Second Wind. Calculating this is a bit hard, but we can assume he averages around half his HP. 6 + 4% of 1350 x 1.3 = 78 hp per 10s or 7.8 hp per second x 0.6 = 4.68 HP per sec.

Now his MR: 48.7 + 55 + 55 = 158.7 MR. We can also assume that he got hit a few times or used a few spells, so lets give him 10% extra MR from his E. A total of 174.6 MR.

Let's look at your MR pen. Just 33. Which brings his MR to 141.6.

141.6 MR reduces about 59% Magic damage.

So, Mundo restores 146 HP per sec and reduces 59% magic damage.

Say you have 300 AP, 260 from items and 40 from runes. We'll also assume that your item 3151 is fully stacked. Your Ult will deal 275 + 240 damage = 515 damage and 10% + 3.75% over 2.5 seconds or 375.25 damage. item 3151 deals 2% per sec since he is CC'd. So that's 5% HP damage or 135 damage.

So with item 3151 's damage boost: Ult Beam: 566.5 Ult Pool: 412.8 Torment: 148.5

Now, Adaptive Helm. Since Ult ticks every 0.25 sec, total of 10 ticks, so 9 tick deal 80% damage = 82% damage or 464.5 damage. Since Pool tick every 0.5 sec, total of 5 ticks, so 4 ticks deal 80% damage = 84% damage or 346 damage. Since Torment ticks every 0.5 sec, total of 5 ticks, so 84% damage or 124.7 damage.

Total of damage post MR: 383.4 damage...

He heals for 365 over 2.5 seconds...

So Mundo just takes around 12 damage...

This goes to show a Healing anti-mage tank can out heal a mage without a Void Staff. Build Void Staff kids. If you had just Void Staff's passive, you would've dealt 41% more damage to him.

Infernape3 votes

Because Riot thinks Mundo healing for over 100% of his max health with his ult and SV (I do believe it's 130% with those two at max rank) is healthy.

Then again, I wonder how different that would be if you had Void Staff.

Beatrice falls1 votes

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Because Riot thinks Mundo healing for over 100% of his max health with his ult and SV (I do believe it's 130% with those two at max rank) is healthy.

Then again, I wonder how different that would be if you had Void Staff.

Ikr, we still won that game though. I still find it ridiculous that he can out-heal % damage / second added to 50% less healing

(Also look at the Ashe behind auto'ing too, I believe she had a item 3153 but not sure)

ZaFishbone3 votes

A champ with innate MR, regeneration, 3 MR items and Addaptive Helm passive vs a DoT mage with no magic pen and this surprises you?

Rıots Bad Client1 votes

item 3020 has +18 Magic pen item 3165 Has +15 Magic pen

Just sayin.

Child of the Pit2 votes

It migt be the reason that the Mundo has build full MR, that he had spirit visage that fortifies his healing, that your ult does magicall damage, that your ult procs get reduced damage from item 3194

The Ecdysiast2 votes

He has Adaptive helm, which reduces the damage from every single thing you're hitting him with by 20% after the first tic of damage, and Visage increases his 100% max hp heal to 130% before you Morello reduces that to 78%. So it basically does nothing, considering 75% is the rank 2 amount.

Why were you ulting their Mr-stacking tank as mage anway

Sirsir2 votes

He outhealed your ult cuz it dealt no damage in the first place.

Massive Mr build vs no Void Staff, Adaptive helm fully stacked all fight.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Mundo takes damage when he pleases.

Janakin1 votes

Rework malzahar!

Feathermane1 votes

Still not as bad as Jax.

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