Why is Riot pretending so hard not to see things ?

Beatrice falls·Jul 25, 2018·125 votes·18,981 views

LIke seriously is busted beyond beliefs by burst damage up every 3sec and regen up to 1k8 hp with a Q deletting people level 2 100-0 any squishy having a fucking high winrate on every lane not requiring any skill anymore because he can miss everything and still kill someone rolling on everything being busted for months "BuT ArMOR hArd cOUnTErS iT" yeah this is why with a full built Zhonya I die in 0.1sec to a Rengar with 2 items before I can even press it ? being buffed and then nerfed and then buffed to the same point when he was a problem ?

Like seriously, why do they pretend it's not here ? Why are they looking somewhere else like randomly buffing Kindred ?

121 Comments

Breezey BoyJul 25, 201861 votes

If even the pro players are saying the meta is trash, which many of them have, then Riot seriously needs to work on it.

meowwow7Jul 25, 201841 votes

Vladimir not really noticeable early game unless he hits you with an empowered q. Talon they've had in tooltips since god knows how long he is the leader of lvl2 first bloods. Quinn yeah she's starting to get very annoying appearing everywhere, and not even after lvl6. Zed , and item 3147 is a pain you could be linked to a 350 armor Taric with max w, item 3109 , and still go poof. Tryndamere is going ap which is very concerning from the last couple of times on hit ad champs went ap (talking about you MasterYi ). and tbh i haven't seen a in a while so idk about him.

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 26, 201811 votes

is going ap which is very concerning from the last couple of times on hit ad champs went ap

Don't people want alternate builds to be viable? Or is this one of those cases where "Oh other builds are fine except this one this is a bad off-meta build that should be removed"?

NodirjonSattarovJul 26, 20183 votes

Oh please, alternate builds on Trynd were black cleaver/titanic bruiser builds as opposed to standard glass cannon crit. for something to be an alternate build would mean that prior to changes people utilized it. it was only after they changed crit and buffed his E that he built ap. honestly ap trynd is much more potent than straight ad/crit trynd because he's doing magic damage on hit with rageblade/lichbane, healing at vlad rate, AND doing true damage with conqueror.

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 26, 20188 votes

Ah, ok, so basically it doesn't count so long as it's an alternate build path/off-meta set-up we hate. Gotcha.

NodirjonSattarovJul 26, 20185 votes

if people didn't find it oppressive they wouldn't have changed it back in season 2

meowwow7Jul 26, 20185 votes

alternate builds are fine, but it's when a build has overshadowed the others that is bad

Automated RivenJul 26, 20182 votes

Why? Ezreal was created as a mage and primarily was played ap caster before he got tons of nerfs and resorted to an alternate ad build. Which is now standard btw.

Beatrice fallsJul 26, 20183 votes

Shaco has had his E reworked into physical damage so that he can't build AP and be viable Evelynn has been reworked into an AP-exclusive champion (and I used to play her either full AD or hybrid, never full AP)

The issue with AP Tryndamere is that magic damage against towers are busted, and he can still right-click things BY DEALING MAGIC DAMAGE. Have you ever seen a mage dealing physical damage with its spells with an alternate build ?

Automated RivenJul 26, 20181 votes

Ya. Ap MF did physical damage with her ult for a while when it could still be played.

HeeroTXJul 26, 20182 votes

Considering that MF is basically just "press R, and then be useless until ult comes off cooldown" that only goes so far.

LegitBusinessmanJul 26, 201812 votes

Related point I was playing Jinx and an Ahri popped on me. Now she was 8/2. She was a big gal I'm not denying that.

But I broke her gawdamn ankles. Juked the charm and the Q. Her foxfire procced ludens electrocute and still took 90% of my hp.

I had a +25 mr that was turning into a hex. I still had to blow both summs.

Being ahead or even super fed never meant you could play like garbage and still get kills.

I'm dead convinced if you can take electrocute and build protobelt and take ignite you can play like a baboon and still get kills.

QmegaSquadVeigarJul 27, 20183 votes

I was really fed not gonna lie like 14/1 on Veigar, and got a one shot on enemy panth, just because of all the free dmg i get from predator and ludens, WHICH THEN increases the dmg from my ult. I didnt feel good, i felt like i dont deserve it. He also had mercs and 2500 hp. Before this season it was impossible to kill anyone with just R unless insanely insanely far ahead and if the guy had no magic resistance and no extra hp. Now its a total joke.

Edge of DaybreakJul 26, 20189 votes

The actual title of this thread should be "We've been circlejerking for months why isn't riot listening to our bullshit"? We agreed with ourselves and told everyone who said otherwise to fuck off like that's a real argument why isn't riot doing what we say.

AirKingNeoJul 26, 201817 votes

And your comment is the type of ignorance that is just the same as those you are complaining about.

You completely ignored the good posts people made that do use evidence, justify themselves, and are actually correct.

IceAYonJul 26, 20187 votes

What he is also saying is that this post isn't going to help Riot when it is saying these champs are the problems, now we want you to fix them.

But anyway, doesn't what you said also apply to the post(the one he is responding to) too? It is just everybody don't have good word choice and they can't see the tone of what they are saying. Sometimes I think my reply might have been ignorant(even tho it isn't) cause people's replies sound so ignorant .

The only problem is that there ends up having ignorant people on both sides(people supporting the original poster and against). And there might be that one good counter post(and sometimes long) against the good original post that will doesn't get addressed or noticed. Which feels bad. cause the counter poster might forgot about it. or forced to move on from their effort and waste of time

Plus if the good post is correct(through evidence, justification), there isn't much to say unless you have something to counter it(even tho your counter argument isn't a proper one and comes off ignorant, but you think it is worth saying for some reason) This wasn't aimed at you, but other people in general.

ChilleeJul 26, 20189 votes

It's simple. GAMEPLAY doesn't equal MONEY

so why would they care.

LCS AND SKINS equal MONEY... and it sucks to think my favorite game is dying due to greed.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 26, 20184 votes

Dunno why people are so blind for this. This is just how tencent works. Look at pubg, look at their mobile gmes, look at league. It's all about milking off as much as possible and then leave the games to rot.

IceAYonJul 26, 20188 votes

The problem is that Riot wants to make nerfs/buffs that would be helpful in the long term? You can't just trash a champion, otherwise the pick rate would drop and the champion would be considered not viable in the meta(and other stuff etc.). Since in the first place, they did those buffs to pick up higher pick rate in those champs.(like that random Kindred buff)

Another annoying thing is how these champs(most of them) had low pick rates around the times they were buffed, and the mains of those champs look at buffs, thinking those are going to make this champ broken, so might as use it to get some free wins.

Cause the mains do say something about it, nothing much will change but for the pick rate to accelerate quicker and ban rate will go up once people who just pick it up starts to abuse it. And it is annoying to not be able to play your favorite champion cause it is permabanned.

Riot need to find a new way to try to bring low pick rates up besides buffing.

Beatrice fallsJul 26, 20182 votes

Vladimir has been a balance issue even before his rework, biggest issue is actually his crazy point and click sustain (that has been reworked to be even more broken because now it can heal for half of his hp if he's below 50%)

Same as Ryze they simply don't want to acknowledge that his 2 sec root point and click on W is the issue, and instead keep reworking him without touching the spell

ForFoxSakesJul 26, 20186 votes

Leblanc blowing people up with just item 1056 item 1052

Arcane Blue BoiJul 26, 20182 votes

let me tell you about pbe Fizz because god forbid we ban new akali, his shark will probably kill you by itself in the same patch akali comes live

VekknaJul 26, 20185 votes

Idk who thought it was a smart idea to add .7 AP and 100 base damage to Fizz's standard combo, but they're fucking high.

VekknaJul 26, 20185 votes

Then you look at the Fizz and Lee buffs on PBE and you realize that Riot is actually making MORE of these problems, not fixing them.

IDEMO NA MUDAJul 26, 20185 votes

Such an incorrect post from the Title. They are not pretending hard at all.

CaveslothJul 26, 20184 votes

Tired of them not listening? Vote with your time and money. STOP PLAYING THE DAMN GAME, AND STOP BUYING THEIR SHIT.

MasterDCloneJul 26, 20181 votes

so if i want them to continue to ignore the toxicity of the boards i should play the game and buy skins, got it thanks.

CaveslothJul 28, 20181 votes

Playing the game is its own punishment. If you enjoy it, more power to ya, just don't expect us not to call you a freak there captain masochist.

CatastroclysmJul 26, 20184 votes

Talon, Brand, Vlad, and Graves are the big 4 imo

All 4 are completely overtuned and ridiculous. Vlad, Brand, and Talon also have the issue of having completely cancerous kits with little counterplay, and extremely low skill floor/ceilings.

PerfectPowerJul 26, 20184 votes

Eh, I don't think of Graves as an issue. I face him constantly with champions like Pantheon and Trundle and never have an issue with him. Unless he pops off and gets a lot of kills early (4-5), he's easily beaten. Kindred is a whole different story, she has dash with a shorter cool down, has a slow with a larger radius that does more damage, has longer range on her autos, and does more damage overall. Never mind her ultimate that allows her to duel anyone no matter how far behind she is.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 26, 20181 votes

Wait you don't have a problem facing him with equally overpowered champions? Wow wht a total not coincidence.

PerfectPowerJul 26, 20183 votes

Woah wait a second here, Trundle and Pantheon overpowered? That doesn't sound right...

HammermancerJul 26, 20184 votes

Trundle so op, every time I go into melee range on my mage against trundle I lose somehow, Not sure why, WHY ISN'T MY MAGE ALSO A TANK AND AN ASSASSIN ANND A SUSTAINER ANDDDD

Unstoppable MonkJul 27, 20182 votes

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Eh, I don't think of Graves as an issue. I face him constantly with champions like Pantheon and Trundle and never have an issue with him. Unless he pops off and gets a lot of kills early (4-5), he's easily beaten. Kindred is a whole different story, she has dash with a shorter cool down, has a slow with a larger radius that does more damage, has longer range on her autos, and does more damage overall. Never mind her ultimate that allows her to duel anyone no matter how far behind she is.

You mean that rito made a mistake in overbuffing them after the shrill coos of the board that kindred was weak so now kindred is a carry monster akin to ranged yi?

People are just braindeading getting marks because they know they'll carry anyway after sui- i mean solo invading in the enemy jungle 4-5 times for the mark. I've seen it firsthand. Then I tried it. Yeah, busted.

ridderhoffJul 26, 20183 votes

Did you know that the "talon is responsible for 25% of first bloods" meme has been around since like forever

PrismalDawnJul 25, 20182 votes

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KrullyJul 25, 20187 votes

if your win rate is that bad on janna, I got bad news for you buddy.

PrismalDawnJul 25, 20185 votes

Just ignore the KD and the fact that everyone else on my team had 12+ deaths. Good job bud.

IceAYonJul 25, 20182 votes

I guess someone didn't help them much...

Dr DogJul 26, 20187 votes

maybe if you were good at janna they wouldnt die so much shrug

PrismalDawnJul 26, 20182 votes

I can't prevent people from making the wrong calls. But I can get a consistent 60% + kill participation.

IceAYonJul 26, 20186 votes

but you ended up having a consistency of not having enough vision for your team so they don't make bad calls.

TyroneWatermelonJul 26, 20182 votes

‘If we ignore it they will forget about it and move on foward’ MAKE THE BAD MAN STOP MAKE THE BAD MAN STOP

HammermancerJul 26, 20182 votes

if they ignore it then the Quinn counters will be found by the community and then the community will fix the natural balance cycle

HammermancerJul 26, 20182 votes

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LIke seriously is busted beyond beliefs by burst damage up every 3sec and regen up to 1k8 hp with a Q

item 3033 item 3165 summoner 14

deletting people level 2

Lots of champs do this, it's something that has been a 'recognized legitimate strategy' by the community for years now, look at Ahri Draven Fiora Garen Graves Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Jax Jayce Karthus Katarina Leblanc Lucian Mordekaiser Olaf Ornn Pantheon Quinn Renekton Riven Teemo Yasuo

Rule of thumb: Don't fight them low level

100-0 any squishy

I was going to tag literally every single champion but I didn't want to spend the time, but yes, every single champion can 100-0 someone with the correct on that champion and the incorrect build on the person they're 1shotting (Incorrect being "Not counterbuilding")

having a fucking high winrate on every lane

She went from near unplayed to massively played, I'm going to wager that people will learn how to handle her

not requiring any skill anymore because he can miss everything and still kill someone

That's an outright lie, sure he can kill someone who's underleveled with an ult+duskblade+ignite but so can garen

rolling on everything

Play something with crowd control for his ult, cc him, then kill him when its down. Also consider randuins

being busted for months "BuT ArMOR hArd cOUnTErS iT" yeah this is why with a full built Zhonya I die in 0.1sec to a Rengar with 2 items before I can even press it ?

Yeah zhonyas doesn't 100% counter it if you don't build any hp... build hp AND armor, also consider tabi. There are lots of builds that involve HP, for mages, and Tabi are something that should ALWAYS be on the table for EVERY CHAMPION in the game REGARDLESS OF ROLE

being buffed and then nerfed and then buffed to the same point when he was a problem ?

Zigzag, just... zigzag, and don't clump against a brand, it's pretty easy

Like seriously, why do they pretend it's not here ? Why are they looking somewhere else like randomly buffing Kindred ?

Because these champs and items aren't that bad

you're part of the same people who complain about the weakness of adcs until the class that 1shots by right clicking from across a lane gets rebuffed, but you complain about its counters

you are not just wrong in my opinion on balance, you are objectively wrong on balance

Beatrice fallsJul 26, 20185 votes

Vladimir deals incredible damage and grevious has nothing to do with it, and his regen is still too high even with grevious wound

I don't see any champion in the entire game that can one-burst the opponent. Yes one-burst, I'm not talking about " Draven " or what the fuck you have no idea what you're talking about, any champion can right click the opponent and kill it level 2 if he's afk

MonkeyKing yes because being killed by a single AA once he gets 2 items is totally ok according to you ? And if you don't die he just presses R and you're knocked up while receiving damage

Quinn "Oh I wonder, maybe it's due to her W buff appearing outta nowhere ? No way, SHE WAS ALWAYS BROKEN PEOPLE JUST NEVER PLAYED HER AND NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY HER"

Zed play against him with ignite, electrocute and item 3147 and tell me.

Tryndamere "just cc him" aka I have no argument

Because I'm gonna rush item 3157 item 3027 item 3116 item 3047 on every single mage I play ? Kek

basically "just dodge" aka I have no argument

EasternBladeStarJul 26, 20182 votes

Because sheep keep buying skins and loot despite not enjoying the game anymore. There's just too damn many people who are addicted to the game to a point where it's actually insane.

I was addicted to league, but that was when the game was at its peak during seasons 4 and 5. Quite frankly I don't understand how people can keep using their money on the game when they're not even satisfied with its condition.

People need to vote with their time usage and wallet. Stop paying, stop playing.

El DentistadorJul 27, 20182 votes

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Because sheep keep buying skins and loot despite not enjoying the game anymore. There's just too damn many people who are addicted to the game to a point where it's actually insane.

I was addicted to league, but that was when the game was at its peak during seasons 4 and 5. Quite frankly I don't understand how people can keep using their money on the game when they're not even satisfied with its condition.

People need to vote with their time usage and wallet. Stop paying, stop playing.

Want to feel better about yourself after getting your ass handed to you by a team of people a tier higher than you? Buy a skin!