Black Cleaver on ADCs?

Big Lincoln·May 18, 2015·2 votes·663 views

is this a good idea as a later-item build? The health and AD are both useful and the armor shred is too, so as someone who mostly plays and it sounds really good on the both of them, especially the latter with his ult's steroid and his E

I guess the issue boils down to what I'd have to give up, which as a last item would probably be Would Cleaver's shred be more beneficial over those if I have another source of physical damage on my team/I'm extremely fed and I want to eat more armor

7 Comments

MrDrBuddMay 18, 20153 votes

LW ignores 35% armor. Blackcleaver reduces armor everyhit up to 30%. takes 6 autos to even get it to max so I wouldnt use it as a replacement for LW

Very Hard EngageMay 18, 20152 votes

my twitch build is bork > boots > youmu > lw/ie > hurricane or cleaver. cleaver for tanks, hurricane for those squishy enemy teams. id love cleaver for CDR, but i just feel he needs other things first, he doesn't really benefit from the move speed, and the armor shred he needs his IAS for first.

id love to see more carries build it, but it just doesn't offer the necessary raw damage that they need.

i would think a champion like corki would benefit from it moreso who actually uses abilities to kill people, or maybe ezreal.

Reformed DunniMay 18, 20152 votes

Also Last Whisper is cost efficient coming out at 2300g and Black Cleaver 3000g

MrBuffingtonMay 18, 20152 votes

Unless your champion really makes use of the extra stats or you're playing with an all AD team (and no one else builds BC), I don't think it's really worth it. The stats are nice and all, but LW + Furor boots are just more efficient, and as an ADC, your goal is pretty much to output as much damage as you possibly can; utility concerns are usually secondary

Sire HippingtonMay 18, 20151 votes

on some adc it works if you have an ad-heavy comb(like sivir as she can apply the stacks quickly on multiple targets) But on most it just needs to long to stack up the shred, lucian and ashe are the only ones that can make good use of it as a selfish item

Reformed DunniMay 18, 20151 votes

I'd probably take Black Cleaver over the flat AD pent Last Wisper tbh ADC's are dealing constant damage with auto attacks so the stacking armor shred is good it can also gives ADC's more mobility in a sense because of the movement speed you get from attacking and a little more health for survivability so all around I think its worth it but I think it all comes down to preference