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Karma is Catching Up To You, Meddler and Reav3s

Vanjie·6/6/2018, 5:20:44 PM·67 votes·17,758 views

I've had several heated discussion and replies with you two over the years about Karma. I even had one or two with a few other Developers. Now players are slowly starting to see things that Karma mains like me and many others have been telling you for years now. The champion is just not working out. I have personally told you this for years now and so many other players have as well. The kit is a mess and the champion is a mess. She doesn't need a VGU but she needs work to be completed on her. Karma needs the same attention you gave to Ryze, Ahri, Lux, Cho'Gath and many others. There is no excuse as to why a champion like Cho'Gath and Xin can have their art assets worked on and kits reworked, but Karma cannot get the same treatment. The kit is creating an identity crisis for Karma and her art assets were released incomplete and are by far from polished. KARMA DOESN'T NEED A VGU. She needs minor work done on her animations to actually complete the animations such as a running and shield casting animation. Karma needs some abilities tweaked, removed and reworked so an actual identity can be put on this champion. Karma needs an actual passive and her current one moved to her ULT.

Karma is annoying to play against early game because the majority of her damage is funneled into early game, but she is not fun to play as late game because all she does is press Mantra E in the backline mid to late game. Karma has zero skill expression. Karma is annoying to play against in top lane because she has a Mantra W that rewards her, but doesn't exactly fit her. Karma has a Mantra E that is extremely bland and is basically an Iron Locket of Solari and Shurelya's Reverie active tied together. Karma had an iconic ability called Shield Bomb that was removed from her and put on Ivern. Restoring Shield Bomb on Karma is now irrelevant because it is not on Ivern and will always be compared as an ability already existing on Ivern.

Karma needs actual work done on her as opposed to the obvious work you are going to to in 8.13 that is going to buff her Mantra E strength, again. Starting actually working on this champion and making her fun to play again. Karma is not fun to play as or against because she is a generic, bland, and boring champion. This is a reflection of your work ethic and refusal to do anything on her for 5 years and 6 months now.

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ModKnightsKemplar6/6/2018, 6:30:52 PM34 votes

This is a reflection of your work ethic and refusal to do anything on her for 5 years and 6 months now.

This is a surefire way to make sure that they don't come talk to you about this. They likely agree with you about a lot of these problems, but when you're openly hostile to Riot, why would they try to talk to you more?

They have limited resources, and they have other priorities. That's the simple reality. It has nothing to do with their work ethic, and saying that seriously undermines your credibility.

DontTouchMyBall6/6/2018, 5:34:01 PM17 votes

She is a Support so she doesn´t deserve attention whatsoever. We were too worried with Lux changes the Ryze rework and quite possibly a Yas rework coming soon!

Karma can wait... 4ever!

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Im holding my breath for this year since it was already announced.

hoshizuku6/6/2018, 11:06:50 PM10 votes

So many people in this thread criticizing you for being hostile. Meanwhile Hashinshin literally tells Riot to go kill themselves on stream, and Riot makes a joke about it in the patch notes while fixing the very thing he was complaining about. Hmmmm.

It Hertz When IP6/6/2018, 6:11:23 PM9 votes

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KARMA DOESN'T NEED A VGU.

Ok, with you so far.

She needs minor work done on her animations to actually complete the animations such as a running and shield casting animation. Karma needs some abilities tweaked, removed and reworked so an actual identity can be put on this champion. Karma needs an actual passive and her current one moved to her ULT.

...that's a GU/VGU. A Visual(?) and Game Update. Not a Sion-scale or Galio-scale one to be sure, more like the stuff from the MYMU, but GUs don't have to rebuild the champion from the ground up. For a GU, we're talking major non-numbers changes to abilities ("abilities tweaked, removed and reworked", "an actual passive and her current one moved to her ULT") and playstyle (" so an actual identity can be put on this champion"). I'm not sure if animation polishing counts for the V part of a VGU; my gut says no.

I heartily agree that she needs identity. I don't play her, but I know that when facing her, other than Q poke, I'm never actually sure what she's supposed to be DOING. Is she there just to poke? Defend the ADC with shields? Early game Brand, Soraka(maybe), or Vel'koz can do her job better. Lategame, any tank support with Shurelya's and Locket can do the same as Karma's RE. And in both scenarios, the alternatives bring more to the table than just the mentioned jobs.

Penta Penguin6/7/2018, 12:18:49 AM6 votes

I like Karma as she is and play her all the time support, I think what karma used to be 5 years ago sounded stupid and gimmicky

Saianna6/6/2018, 10:53:33 PM5 votes

Karma is Catching Up To You, Meddler and Reav3s

I just imagined beefy karma with sleeveless tshirrt exposing her muscular, tatooed arms catch meddler and yelling

#- WHERE THE F*K ARE MY MONEY?!

Hong Kong Annie6/6/2018, 6:23:06 PM2 votes

They should just revert the karma rework and try to actually balance the old kit instead.