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PBE 7/1 Opinions.

Illabethe··11 votes·6,973 views

  1. Damn. Tethers FINALLY getting truesight KUDOS. (Sucks to tether Akali/etc and just see the laser on Karma/Morg and think "wtf")

  2. On kit Heal reduction up to 60%. Does Katarina ACTUALLY need this? Pro Kats currently have no real direct counterplay on SO many champions.... Unless you hard stun her, you're generally dead, meaning roots don't actually go the distance, even if you're a mean dagger dodger.... don't know many assassins whose basic skills do over 900 damage followed by a resetting 3000+ damage ult....

  3. Pyke: You all knew this was the direction Riot was taking by removing Pyke's Aoes and Minion agency:

Damage changed from [250/290/330/370/400/430/450/470/490/510/530/540/550 (+80% AD)(+150% Lethality) to [250/350/450 (+200% AD)(+200% Lethality)] [New] Deals 50% reduced damage to enemies it doesn't kill "Your Cut" on Pyke kill changed from [1 "Your Cut" most recent assister] to [1 "Your Cut" to Pyke AND most recent assister] "Your Cut" on Pyke assist changed from [1 "Your Cut] to Pyke] to [2 "Your Cut" to Pyke] [New] Death from Below's icon is shown next to Pyke's health bar while it can be cast for free

(In other words: It's ALL about his ult now. You didn't want Pyke to have aoes. Now he has 120% more AD scaling, AND 50% more Lethality scaling to make up for it. Enjoy getting executed at 1350 HP now, instead of 650 HP. And yeah. the 50% reduced to champs he doesn't kill is a small nerf, considering most ults don't result in non kills, and the threshold just SKYROCKETED)

And yeah: 400 AD, the Tier 3 Pyke Ult = 1346 Damage execute Threshold. That literally puts him at Hit an adc once and execute. That puts him at "just Ult Nami and Execute" threshold.

  1. Renekton now destroys shields..... the one thing that used to help you survive him. Yay. Mr. 1 shot now became Mr. 1 shot for a WHOLE LOT more champs (I almost feel bad for Mordekaiser)

  2. Swain is now Sion. Gains Max HP every time he gains a soul. Welcome to Juggernaut Swain!

  3. Tahm Kench is now PYKE. His Gray health bar is 60% of damage taken, and he now doesn't just get to heal "some of it," He gets to heal 100% of it! In other words, Tahm can either heal for 100% of damage taken, or turn the damage taken in combat into a shield. (How is this not broken in top lane where he retreats to turret?)

But.... at least there's not a Qiyana buff on here.

20 Comments

jocomotion3 votes

You misunderstood the TK changes on his E; it’s a nerf to the shield potential and a slight buff to the healing.

Now the grey health you get is no longer 80 to 100% of the damage taken, but instead 50-60% of the damage taken. Meaning he’ll have much less grey health when getting hit which means smaller shields which means less tower diving and free trading up top. But in exchange the grey health will completely heal instead of only healing for 20-40% of the grey health stored.If anything this makes his laning against poke better, but his all in worse, and his all in is what’s so broken atm, so nerf.

TLDR: he gains less grey health when you hit him, but all the grey health will be healed out of combat now instead of just some of it

Illabethe1 votes

I don't consider the small tradeoff of the the shield an equal or proportionate nerf for the healing buff. You're going to lose ~150 HP shield in exchange for FULL gray health recovery rated at 60% of all damage taken. That's HUGE.

That's the ratio Pyke USED to have.

jocomotion1 votes

But remember, that healing isn’t on an assassin anymore. Instead it’s on a tank; someone who’s meant to soak in damage as a frontline, so while the healing may be similar to Pyke, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be abusable or even absurdly strong. Technically means he can take way more poke but can be all in’ed easier.

Plus because the giant shield was one of the big reasons TK was so oppressive, it’s an nerf. At least to TK top. The shield allowed him to go for long trades and essentially take double the damage to kill, now he’s FORCED to back off and use the healing rather than being able to always go aggressive and push a lead (trust me I played TK top before that ridiculous buff to him).

With all of that in mind I still say it’s a nerf.

Illabethe1 votes

I'm aware. But it's also on a tank that's reasonably good at running 1v1, or retreating to a turret, and it doesn't require "out of vision;" just "out of combat"

His itemization may change a little.

MarcReady3 votes

How could they add a shield-breaking mechanic to Renekton? I mean: his all-in is uncounterable, because he dashes with E, stuns you and deals his damage with q and autos in between, then E away without leaving any way to retaliate against him. A shield was the only mechanic that could allow you to reduce his bullying potential and now it's gone.

I don't know if Renekton needs buffs or not, but this is probably the worst kind of buff that they could give him, because reduces interaction against him. I guess riot really loves one-sided matchups. I hope this change will never go live

Darkdemon6532 votes

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Kats currently have no real direct counterplay on SO many champions

I had to stop there. I haven't been drinking so I know I am not drunk right now. Maybe it's the heroin I recently injected. Surely there is no way I read someone say there are few ways to counter Katarina. Can someone confirm/deny that I actually read what I think I read?

Illabethe4 votes

Have you even seen her in pro play? The only reason she doesn't see tournament play is because teams will build pure knockup/stun teams just for her.

Try playing Morgana vs a Pro Kat. There's no way to win the matchup, even if you land your Q, Ult her, and have Black shield up.

She currently has a 61% average win rate among Kat mains, and stats are heavily skewed toward Kat countering most of the Mid champ base as well as most champs in general; She has 8 champs who she has a less than 50% win rate vs, and all of them have a hard direct stun or silence, with the exception of Mordekaiser, because of his massive shield.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Katarina/

I'm not against Kat, nor am I even trying to argue she's imbalanced. I'm stating that literally, unlike Yi or other squishies who get shut down by CC, she doesn't get shut down by anything but a pure knockup/stun. Anyone else dies in .5 seconds, even if they dodge daggers.

(She has 4 people in Masters with over an 80% Win rate on her! That's rare, even for other carries like Zed)

P.S. This is Kat at Master Tier

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Katarina/

59.57% Win rate outright as an AVERAGE.

TheCheekySneak2 votes

Tahm is getting a nice buff to his healing sure, but they are also nerfing his q in most ways, his passive doesnt give him damage anymore at all and when he stuns someone with q it consumes the stacks. After this the poor guy is going to the gutter, likely were Riot wants him at this point.

Illabethe1 votes

His passive still gives him damage. Except, it's all in the Max % HP now. 2.5% instead of 1.5%. Which covers what he lost in the OTHER part of his passive (they basically simplified it).

Q isn't losing much except its cooldown. In fact the duration of both the stun and slow is getting a substantial buff. The strength of the slow's going down, but 3 sec duration = more time to catch up and hit the next one.

TheCheekySneak1 votes

Ah, I read it as he was just getting 2.5% more health as his passive rather than a damage thingy. It's good to hear they aren't just tossing him away. However he still won't be getting that damage on his spells anymore, nor will he be able to chase people down with the q slow nerf since even if it lasts longer it's actual slow is so much worse, I still think that this is a gutting all in all, and he's probably going to plummet back to the low 40's again.

Sire Hippington1 votes

his passive damage used to increase per stack, so at 3 stacks it was 4.5% scaleing, and it no longer adds damage to his skills. This is a huge cut to his overall damage.(and a justifyed one)

Illabethe1 votes

It still stacks. Up to 7.5% now. Go read the PBE. It just doesn't have flat damage added.

Sire Hippington1 votes

Tahm Kench [Changelist]

  • An Acquired Taste (P) [Removed] Spells deal bonus damage based on stacks ** [Removed] passive deals increased damage based on target stacks** Damage changed from [1.5% TK's max HP] to [2.5% TK's Max HP

you might want to check PBE again

Illabethe1 votes

That refers to the removed fixed damage per stack. Look at the accompanying screen capture of the change. Says that passive can stack up to 3 times.

Sire Hippington1 votes

Sure it can stack up to 3 times - for the purpose of devour and the Q-Stun, but not for more damage.

Also, what's it with you and the fixed damage? Thams passive has no flat damage component and never had, it's just %HP scaleing...

Zeyphel2 votes

This Here is PBE 7/1 in one sentence:

Riven is too strong, therefore we want more top laners to be too strong also to "fight back".

Ilovemobas1 votes

Nice to see kled get some time in the top lane too. He deserves some kind of niche a 60% healing debuff om his q (PBE) is going ro make fighting those pesky vlads so much more enjoyable.

MiracleMorg941 votes

More Pyke changes that make my shake my head in disbelief. I really can't fathom how they think this is ok.

wildfox9T1 votes

(In other words: It's ALL about his ult now. You didn't want Pyke to have aoes. Now he has 120% more AD scaling, AND 50% more Lethality scaling to make up for it. Enjoy getting executed at 1350 HP now, instead of 650 HP. And yeah. the 50% reduced to champs he doesn't kill is a small nerf, considering most ults don't result in non kills, and the threshold just SKYROCKETED)

the last day while playing on PBE i played against a pyke full AD with yuumi's boost on him,he could exectue people at 1800hp and he wasn't even full build

Illabethe1 votes

Ah Yuumi. Yup. Pyke/Yuumi duo bot gonna be a thing lol.

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