I don't understand why Taliyah is getting nerfed while Udyr isn't

Barcid··2 votes·1,062 views

Taliyah jungle is on the rise, with a pretty high playrate in the jungle by comparison to her counterparts with a likewise high winrate. She's at a bit of a point where she can be oppressive.

The thing is that her winrates and playrates are identical to Udyr's, and arguably Udyr having high winrates is worse. But how can that work?

Well, Udyr's had a history. Being played by a certain player (we all know who) brought a following to Udyr before, and this always made Udyr into a playstyle that's inherently toxic to the game - kite, split, duel, repeat. With Udyr's kit so binary and straightforward, this play-style is hard to fuck up when you finally get it down (literally press the button and click the baddies), which means when Udyr is strong, he stays strong.

It's not like Taliyah where you dodge the projectiles. Not like Taliyah where you move out of the way of the rock. Udyr presses Q, clicks on you, then presses E, and clicks on you again, and then you die. Not really any fancy work in the middle, meaning nothing really goes wrong anywhere down the line. This is the same level of reliability and simplicity that Sona received continuous nerfs for for a long while.

So when Udyr is as strong as he is now, something is legitimately wrong with him (something is also wrong with the game, but that's another story). This is evidenced by the fact that his top analyzed players in diamond and up - some of them even into master tier - hit over 70% winrates. This isn't an exaggeration: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/summoners/udyr

So while Taliyah is certainly strong - there's no doubt about it - the fact that Udyr is not even getting a slap on the wrist while the new bruiser items are about to drop is just utterly unheard of. The items meant to be added in order to help bruisers and duelists like this to be more useful in teamfights - you see nothing wrong with this?

This isn't to say that Udyr is purely braindead or the simplest champ in the game - this isn't Yi, you do actually have to invest some time to get the hang of Udyr. But the thing is that amongst champions that require time investment (Riven, Yasuo, Azir), Udyr is the most reliable. He has zero abilities to aim, minimal cooldowns to worry about - kitwise, he is, as I said, as straightforward as Sona in playing him, just not in understanding. You can't allow a champion so reliable in their kit to be this oppressively strong.

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dunder kill1 votes

The thing is that her winrates and playrates are identical to Udyr's

According to your own source, they dont lol

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/udyr/platinum https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/taliyah/platinum

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Barcid1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Taliyah/Jungle

http://champion.gg/champion/Udyr/Jungle

There are two sources you can go to for these things. Sorry that it must take you a lot of effort to type it into google.

leagueofgraphs is a daily pull for champion statistics while champion.gg works from patch to patch. Taliyah was sitting at miniscule playrates for a while until her recent spike (and by "recent" I mean quite literally within the last week). Udyr hasn't actually changed at all in the mean time and is no weaker than he was, though Taliyah is the "flavor of the month" that a lot of junglers without dedicated mains are swapping to. For the span of the entire patch, Taliyah and Udyr are within less than a % point of each other on both accounts, overnight popularity spike aside. Taliyah will probably pull a % point ahead of Udyr by the end of this patch while Udyr will sit consistently at his current % because, again, dedicated fanbase that I mentioned in the original post.

What leagueofgraphs is very useful for is the fact you can pull numbers from the champions' "top players", and those numbers very much are identical with both reaching over 70%, though I can understand that on top of searching something, it must be very hard to simply scroll down a page as well. My finger gets tired just clicking let alone moving the middle mouse button, my what a chore.

dunder kill1 votes

YOU'RE THE ONE USED USED LEAGUE OF GRAPHS FIRST.

This isn't an exaggeration: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/summoners/udyr

You use LeagueOfGraphs as a source which means you're accrediting it. However, when your OWN SOURCE doesnt agree with your statement, "what NO you cant use the source I ACTUALLY LISTED, you have to use ONLY ONES THAT AGREE WITH MY POINT"

Selective evidence at its finest. When you're point isnt backed by concrete evidence, just lie xD

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