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Just played a game where we lost due to our botlane

Barcid··1 votes·224 views

And it's because they built wrong...

But... they shouldn't have necessarily. Like their builds shouldn't have been really too off, and they made a bit of sense.

Sona was getting destroyed by AD botlane and the enemy team had a bunch of auto attackers. She rushed Frozen Heart as a defensive item and didn't build Ardent's Censer until much later.

Kog was having trouble sustaining in lane due to Sona getting forced out a lot, and he rushed BoRK. The enemy team also had three tanks on their team, so in theory this made sense, he already comes with built in magic damage and he was getting decent support.

But Thresh builds Knight's Vow first, now Trist literally dives Kog, pumps out all the damage needed to kill him, then leaps out while we can't instagib her. This works enough times that Thresh gets Redemption. Now Trist is unkillable while literally divebombing us and faceplanting in the middle of us. All that had to happen was the enemy Warwick ulted me and the enemy TF stunned Cho and Trist stood in the middle of three other people and nuked Kog'maw in seconds in every single fight even before she ever got fed. Before that Thresh just had to stand nearby while she solo'd our Kog'maw.

Like, Kog got caught and didn't build optimal immediately. Sona built wrong. But at this point our Cho and I were so fed we could instagib their frontline practically. But no matter how hard we tried Tristana wouldn't die soon enough and she'd get one or two kills in a fight. And then just because the enemy Thresh built a couple of specific items she suddenly became a fucking monster that steamrolled.

This... what the fuck is this fucking meta. Two people on our team who weren't even that far behind built a bit off and immediately got pancaked by the enemy who completed one "correct" item. Suddenly the game is over? What the fuck? I want to know how it's justified that one specific build path in literally one lane - just one lane - out of four different lanes in the game is so breaking that they can curb stomp everyone just by achieving it and having the enemy team just not be smart enough to abuse it as well. Are you fucking kidding me?

"Oh they built wrong for the meta." Why the fuck is the meta a set of items being used on a class? At least tanks could be kited when they were at their peak, this literally lacks counterplay.

3 Comments

MysterQ1 votes

Well stop being a meta slave first of all. Thresh won without an Ardent, I am tired of everyone just repeating what everyone else says.

Barcid1 votes

It's not just Ardent. The entire support line of itemization is wonked out to hell.

Tanks rush Knight's Vow. Enchanters rush Ardent. Ardent is known to perform better because Ardent is a) an immediate power boost that can very easily be applied without effort and b) enchanters tend to be rather simple champs where not a lot can go wrong on them other than getting caught. Ardent users also tend to basically give out a Knight's Vow in shielding anyway.

What Ardent doesn't offer is better frontlining for the user. Instead, Knight's Vow steps in for tanks who can peel well or even just okayish - if the enemy can't reach the 600 range to kill the ADC fast enough, they have to try and kill the tank. But the tank is getting healed for the ADC's damage each time they attack, so the tank isn't dying. Basically you're fucked on two fronts.

And the only way to counter this is... with more meta. So saying "stop being a meta slave" is probably one of the stupider things you've said considering the meta is what let the enemy get back in the game at all to begin with and the meta is what doomed our botlane the moment they didn't choose it - and when the meta is a fucking set of items meant for one class that is used on another class that has next to no innate counterplay, that's where the issue arises now isn't it?

So what, exactly, was your argument? "I came here to be contrarian"?

Ozzie Storm1 votes

It's karma, that's what it is. Remember the "adcs in 2017 lul" well the adcs got the last laugh on all of us...

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