instead of having it be slow as molasses all the time
Return it to its current speed but have him slow down when he passes through units that aren't his target
now you can body block him if he Ws onto a carry, but he can't be laughed at by an isolated target with sufficient move speed or a dash
Angrychickén4 votesI just want to point out that Rito came out and said that it being that slow was a bug.
So make sure you know the story before you complain about something.
Big Lincoln3 votes[deleted]
IPromiseTomorrow3 votesHe stated it was a bug and it is.
Take that as it is. He's not implying you're complaining.
Big Lincoln3 votesi made this thread before it was announced as a bug
IPromiseTomorrow3 votesYea, that's fine.
Angrychickén3 votesThere's the Lincoln we all now and love. The Lincoln that hates all things.
Big Lincoln3 votessorry, i'm grumpy today
Angrychickén3 votesThis seems to be an every day occurrence for you.
AbiwonKenabi1 votesWhere have they said this? Not saying it's not true, I just haven't seen it around and would like to read context for myself.
AbiwonKenabi1 votesnvm, I found it
Thank goodness.
MissingKayo2 votesCongratulations on being a condescending dick when you're asking him to literally know something that happened 1 hour in the future.
Dracocrash4 votesIts a bug. It's not gona come to live liek that. I quite like the idea of start slow and accelerate. I can now position myself a lil bit before he snares me.
Variks the Loyal3 votesMaokai is a Warden. He's not an engaging tank, and Twisted Advance has always been used as a tool to engage teamfights along with movement skills and allied, long-range CC to set him up.
Slowing it down reduces it's effectiveness as an engagement tool, while still keeping it's effectiveness as a peeling tool (If they're trying to get passed you, the speed won't matter since they're right next to you).
So I don't think it's supposed to be used to catch an isolated target out (Although you could use his new ultimate for that).
That is, though, just my assumption without any context from Riot.
INoble KnightI1 votesHoly fuck that's slow.
Big Lincoln4 votesW has always been good for catching isolated targets.
if he's meant to be a peeling tank then a long range rooting wall that requires max range for the best results really misses the mark
Variks the Loyal2 votesI'd argue his rooting wall is actually very good for the Warden fantasy.
It's slow movement and very large radius makes it a very potent disengaging tool, similar to Braum R or Nami R. People can stand behind a tank to avoid the roots, but the ult's slow speed plus the relatively long size of the roots means they'd need to wait behind before actually coming out, lest they be caught by the back end of one of the roots and be rooted anyway.
As a Warden, this makes the rooting wall a very powerful peeling and disengaging tool. When used creatively, it also makes for a powerful ganking or engaging tool; imagine ganking bot and sending it perpendicular down the lane towards the wall, and the enemy having no way to cross that distance without being rooted thus forcing them to either eat the ult or force them into a fight while they wait for it to pass. Or, imagine sending it headlong into a Baron or Dragon attempt from the river, thus CCing at least 3 enemies and heavily disrupting their attempt and setting your team up for an advantaged fight.
Those of course require unconventional, creative uses of the ultimate so it still retains and is best used for it's core purpose of disengaging and disrupting fights in progress, rather than initiating them itself.
Malicious Metal2 votesNope, Mao is actually a VANGUARD.
Variks the Loyal1 votesWhere'd they say that?
50000000000000001 votesMaokai on live is definitely a warden. He has a reliable hard CC, as well as dash interrupt and teamwide %damage reduction.
However, Riot wants him to be a vanguard to better match his thematics. That's why he has his new ultimate.
Variks the Loyal1 votesDid they say he wants to be a Vanguard, though? I'd argue the class can fall outside of the fantasy thematic (Thresh being a peeling Warden for example while in lore he's a vengeful specter that tortures people and can go toe to toe with Lucian).
The ult seems way too slow for engagement to me.
Big Lincoln2 votesI would say that his niche as a Vanguard is less about fast engage and more about occupying huge amounts of space. Taking up bushes with his saplings, using himself/his Q as a close-range threat, and his ult make him exceedingly good at area of denial with the threat of hard CC / deceptively high damage
I think his engage would rely more on either flanking with his ult like Zac does with E , or just outright blocking off space to prevent a retreat and then going in himself to interrupt fights with his Q and W.
xelaker3 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEQWaBbf,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-20T19:21:45.517+0000)
instead of having it be slow as molasses all the time
Return it to its current speed but have him slow down when he passes through units that aren't his target
now you can body block him if he Ws onto a carry, but he can't be laughed at by an isolated target with sufficient move speed or a dash
riot has said that the speed is a bug it's supposed to get faster the longer he travels
