When are we nerfing Yasuo?

LegacyDAP··216 votes·8,814 views

Because we nerfed Brand and Swain, but uhh... I don't see Yasuo nerf.

Clarification on why I hate Yasuo, it's not his damage, it's not his mobility, it's not his huge CC, it's all of them combined into one kit, while being able to itemize so freaking well. Like honestly, which champion is able to do that and get away with it? So no I don't think the new items made him OP, I thought he was OP before that. They just make him more OP.

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Krys Star27 votes

Anivia Brand Graves Lucian MissFortune Soraka Swain Nerfed.

Yasuo Nerf Proof Armor

JMoormann24 votes

Pretty close. Here is the one and only truth:

Yasuo is so so strong that they can't get close to him, and because of that they have to shoot nerfs at him from a distance. However, that means he can either block the nerfs with Wind Wall, dodge them with Sweeping Blade, disengage after shelding with his passive or even hit a tornado and engage with his extremely low CD ult.

It's not that they don't want to nerf him, they just can't. And they don't want to admit that they created a champion who became stronger than themselves.

Bedl44m2 votes

How do you kill that which has no life??

Spoofghoul30 votes

windwall blocked all nerfs

OyddAWqJ5r7 votes

Spaghetti code ended up registering the nerfs as projectiles. GG

GrReaper962 votes

They need to add a tool tip "Yasuo's wind wall also block nerfs"

alasarcher11 votes

They already nerfed Mastery that made him broken, He is completely fine now.

LegacyDAP68 votes

Except not really. The mastery made him even more broken than he already was, his kit is still stupid broken, he can still get tons of lifesteal off of the mastery, as long as you're farming champions.

MohawkBird64 votes

Let's not forget a 100% crit chance off of shiv and a single cloak.

Robbit Mang11 votes

This is the part i hate so much, he was sort of fine before when he got 100% crit off of three items, but now he buys one item and a cheap ass statikk shiv and hes got 100% crit at 20 minutes.

LegacyDAP12 votes

Less than 20 minutes.

Battalion8 votes

More like 12 minutes to 13 minutes on average

Vincent Lucius3 votes

Dear gods, my childhood... Movie about the City of Gold, right?

alfavhunter4 votes

Yas got a huge buff with ad item changes

He does need a nerf, but idk where to put it

Emperor Time4 votes

Yea, but unlike brand and harvey birdman, yasuo takes some skill to play.

Fasmodey15 votes

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Yea, but unlike brand and harvey birdman, yasuo takes some skill to play.

hahaha, no.

Redaga2 votes

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Yea, but unlike brand and harvey birdman, yasuo takes some skill to play.

are you on drugs? Q is auto attack, his Q twister range is insane, you can dive as an initiator thanks to the wind shield passive, W block ever ulti projectiles (poor Brand and Syndra ) and his R is auto aim hit (even AoE) with a bonus AD and a 50% armor penetration

Mazohist3 votes

Keep living in denial. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KYEgCg_FLUY/VkuCDIpwJsI/AAAAAAAAIWg/5N0RkII6FLk/s1600/champmasterycurves.png riots chart for yasuos difficulty and winrate scaling with # games played published in their article here: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/red-post-collection-illaoi-champion.html

In the same article Riot declares Yasuo has one of the steepest skill curves in the game,you need to play 35+ games just to get to 50% winrate on average.

Fasmodey5 votes

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Keep living in denial. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KYEgCg_FLUY/VkuCDIpwJsI/AAAAAAAAIWg/5N0RkII6FLk/s1600/champmasterycurves.png riots chart for yasuos difficulty and winrate scaling with # games played published in their article here: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/red-post-collection-illaoi-champion.html

In the same article Riot declares Yasuo has one of the steepest skill curves in the game,you need to play 35+ games just to get to 50% winrate on average.

Look at Syndra and Xerath, their skill curve is higher than Yasuo's.

Aitikian3 votes

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Because we nerfed Brand and Swain, but uhh... I don't see Yasuo nerfs.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/MOasm5QZ-trying-to-understand-nerf-choices?comment=0000

above is my board with win/loss ranks listed for champions, Yasou is actually near 50% in nearly all divisions and is in a healthy place, the main issue with Yasuo is his synergy with other champions with great win rates (Malphite who is between 55-60% in most divisions) is incredibly powerful.

BakedLotion8 votes

{quoted}

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/MOasm5QZ-trying-to-understand-nerf-choices?comment=0000

above is my board with win/loss ranks listed for champions, Yasou is actually near 50% in nearly all divisions and is in a healthy place, the main issue with Yasuo is his synergy with other champions with great win rates (Malphite who is between 55-60% in most divisions) is incredibly powerful.

A 50% win rate for a champion that is supposed to be "hard to play" is broken as fuck. Just look at Azir. He's hard to play but since he's ACTUALLY balanced, he always sits at low 40%'s.

UrPalAl3 votes

Repost of an argument I had with someone else that might answer some questions:

You're being ridiculous. When you make changes to a champion, you don't just completely remove a feature from their kit and expect the champion to "be fine" without out it because of how OP he is, and vise versa.

Just take a look at that Veigar "quality of life" change that Riot made a month ago. All it did was make his W land more smoothly and speed up the time frame a bit, by .25 seconds, to be exact. Then what happened? Veigar went from being one of the weakest mid laners, to the strongest mid laner.

Also, how are you going to compare Braum's Unbreakable to Yasuo's Wind Wall?

Braum's wall not only lasts longer than Yasuo's wall, but with it he can move around to continue to block incoming attacks. In addition, Braum's wall synergizes with the rest of his kit much better, and considering he's a tank and will probably be using his w with it, it makes a lot more sense that he tanks the REDUCED damage from the enemy.

Also, how are you going to say that he doesn't need his double crit? I don't think you realize, but without it his early game is FAR weaker, it would be hurt severely, and as a consequence I'm willing to bet that If no serious compensation is given, he would instantly become the shittiest champ in the game.

Also, his shield that he has built into a kit easily taken away by 99% of the champions that go mid against him, you know, by a simple auto. And don't fucking tell me his tornado is OP and is a contant harass threat, not only is it not that strong in terms of pure damage early game, but it's fucking easy as shit to dodge and predict.

Finally, don't you think that if Yasuo was truly OP, his winrate and overall performance would show it? I mean, he is NOWHERE near the strongest champion in the game at the moment, and nerfing him isn't that necessary now that I think about it. Maybe a very MINOR nerf, but that's all. Winrate and performance wise, he is actually in a fairly balanced state at the moment, there are far bigger problems Riot is worried about at the moment.

I almost never lose lane to Yasuo, maybe it's because I became so good at playing against him, but to be honest, he's really not that hard to lane against as long as you're not playing someone who he completely counters. Maybe the problem is you.

jesus1worlds20151 votes

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Stiv123410 votes

Yeah, because his Ult doesnt get him a free 50% bonus armor pen and he never deals any magic damage, neither through one of his abilities nor through one of his core items.

/s

jesus1worlds20151 votes

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Stiv12348 votes

I recommend you getting to lvl 30 first, then we can go on talking. And surviving half a second longer really helps a lot.

CocNoob1 votes

his e deals magic dmg...

Auz the Ripper4 votes

"/s" basically means "sarcasm off" which implies there was sarcasm to turn off.

I.E. he was being sarcastic.

LegacyDAP18 votes

Lmao, you act like I didn't try to counter it, I had to get Ninja Tabi on a fucking mage.

jesus1worlds20151 votes

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Zero Shingetsu14 votes

I believe I've spotted another.

LegacyDAP16 votes

Lol, okay. Tell me more about how you're a Yasuo main, and all of his counters please, because apparently I don't see many.

jesus1worlds20153 votes

uh dont fkn stand near minions, he get's a lot of plays dashing back/forth, make him use his windwall on purpose, then during the CD start harassing him, patience/skill/brain is needed, otherwise you deserve to lose that lane

LegacyDAP20 votes

So you're telling me don't stand near my minions where I need to be to get in range to cs? Oh, and I do all of that, I was actually winning the lane. On the other had, if he doesn't lose the lane miserably, he can make comebacks.

outliving382 votes

so champions making a comeback is a problem for you? holy crap you are just a casual/bronzer

LegacyDAP18 votes

Any champion can make a comeback that's fine, but he just catches up way to fast, more than other champions.

outliving381 votes

Troll

Punkkee26 votes

yes you are

Synx716 votes

{quoted}

uh dont fkn stand near minions, he get's a lot of plays dashing back/forth, make him use his windwall on purpose, then during the CD start harassing him, patience/skill/brain is needed, otherwise you deserve to lose that lane

These yasuo mains defending their champion desperately gives me aids

SlytherinUmbreon7 votes

Malzahar It's ok. I've avenged you.

flying banelings1 votes

{quoted}

Lol, okay. Tell me more about how you're a Yasuo main, and all of his counters please, because apparently I don't see many.

Talon,fizz,zed,akali,preaty much every assassin but shaco. And kayle counters him too because her e doesn't count as a projectile.

elon wątroba2 votes

Garen. DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Vanjie1 votes

Really all they need to fix is how he handles crits. Yasuo is a PAIN to begin with . . . but he was never a problem before the preseason patch. I cannot stand him as a champion and I will always ban him regardless of the patch. Right now he is benefiting way to much from the changes with AD items and the mastery. He needs an update to his interaction with items and masteries . . . not so much a nerf to his kit.

LegacyDAP12 votes

No, I honestly think he needs a rework, because his kit is extremely toxic, and that's why he'll always be good, maybe if they nerfed the damage, but even then, the kit is extremely hard to deal with as any champion (especially mages)

qetzel2 votes

Alright. I have to take issue with this. Yasuo definitely has the capability to not be good. Until a few months ago he had been considered rubbish for a very long time.

Ariel the Cruel5 votes

the kit is extremely hard to deal with as any champion (especially mages)

Caitlyn yo Akali sup Azir hi Chogath How's it going? Morgana Cookies? Yorick You will remember . . . Malzahar {BLARG!}

(I hate Yasuo as much as the next guy, but I couldn't help but poke fun at that.)

Anidan5 votes

I thoroughly enjoy Morgana offering cookies.

I hope she still has that bakery when the dust is settled from the lore revamp.

Ariel the Cruel9 votes

Fiddlesticks The witch is coming. you are all DOOMED! RIOT: Nah, we don't like that witch. Just sit in a closet until we find you a different job. Fiddlesticks But.... I'm the harbinger of doom... RIOT: Well now you're the harbinger of random closet #617. Deal with it. item 3070 Fiddlesticks item 3070

. . .

Trundle Has anyone seen my club?

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

I love picking Cho'gath into Yasuo. There is nothing they can do to you except hope to get kills roaming.

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