A cool change to Feral Flare that would be nice to have

Darkomantis·Aug 1, 2014·2 votes·464 views

It would be really awesome if Feral Flare had this:

10 health on-hit => 12% Lifesteal upon transformation

The reason for this change is so that the item scales with the champion's attack damage later in the game. Feral Flare is usually finished around 18-22+ minutes and by then you and others will have over 100 attack damage. Lifesteal percentage will allow for other items besides an immediate lifesteal source such as Botrk or Hydra. Please consider this Riot.

10 Comments

lightdragoon88Aug 1, 20143 votes

It needs it stacking health per hit go up per camp killed again, but have a cap on it IMO.

DarkomantisAug 1, 20141 votes

It needs it stacking health per hit go up per camp killed again, but have a cap on it IMO.

I guess they could. But I think it will be more likely that they would just make it into lifesteal percentage since it's easier to counter than a on-hit.

Knight SoIaire Aug 1, 20141 votes

have you ever seen eve with feral before its nerf feral only made her heal more that adc's with bloodthirster

heal per hit was nerfed so such stuff wouldnt happen

also feral junglers get already enough power thanks to this item, you would just make it op again

Phoenix Kotori Aug 1, 20142 votes

Heal on hit isnt reduced by armor/etc was the problem.

Lifesteal is though.

Knight SoIaire Aug 1, 20141 votes

so you want this item to give atack speed, atack damage, jungle gold increase, a ward, nasus's passive on autos AND lifesteal on top of that this item is already cost effective and is used by champs who utilize this cost effectivenes to the max and usualy work well with lifesteal

the only thing that would this change cause would be making this item op for like a week (before hotfix), or a giant nerf spree for all the junglers who use it

its too good already (item itself, usualy practicaly conditions limit its power) making it any better would just unleash hell

i dont want to see yi with 22% lifesteal in 20 min (assuming he will get bortk instead of bloodthirster or hydra)

Phoenix Kotori Aug 1, 20141 votes

its too good already

Is that why we see prime item 3160 users like Rengar at the competitive level sit on their item 3106 seemingly forever or just sell it? Instead of actually using the item?

this item is already cost effective

No it isn't.

is 74% gold efficient without the passive and active. The item can be considered 100% gold efficient or higher with the following(s): The Maim passive has at least a gold value of 468g. Acquiring at least 468g from the gold-generating passive. The player places 7 or more Stealth Ward's from this item.

The item was overnerfed and we all know it. The infinite healing stacks on hit were the problem with it and riot overshot the nerfs, and now it's all by vanished from the pro-scene.

Giving it lifesteal is a reasonable change and 12% would put it at 110.67% gold efficiency (Which might be a little too much maybe 10% instead).

Or allowing the healing to stack to say 20-30 health on hit and cap out up from the 10 flat.

Knight SoIaire Aug 2, 20141 votes

is 74% gold efficient without the passive and active. The item can be considered 100% gold efficient or higher with the following(s): The Maim passive has at least a gold value of 468g. Acquiring at least 468g from the gold-generating passive. The player places 7 or more Stealth Ward's from this item.

as you copied from lol wiki its not cost effective if you wont take nasus's passive aka the entire aa empowering and the heal and the gold gained into account, oh wait you dont even count ward into that

it is cost effective when you count tis entire power instead of stats alone and exscluding passive/active effects

conclusion ... bad lol wiki copy pastes are bad

rengar sits on madreds cause he does not want to clear the jungle, he is an assasins not an adc like yi for instance oh wait a little .... you called rengar a prime example of feral jungler ... WHAT... feral flare was designed for champs like udyr or yi, not goddamn rengar

Phoenix Kotori Aug 2, 20141 votes

oh wait a little .... you called rengar a prime example of feral jungler ... WHAT... feral flare was designed for champs like udyr or yi, not goddamn rengar

Rengar is in the top 5 champions for most using the item in soloq and it is naturally the best choice on manaless champions.

rengar sits on madreds cause he does not want to clear the jungle, he is an assasins not an adc like yi for instance.

Except he does, since ultimate is a major cooldown and his main gank CD, he typical farms the jungle while it is down. Yet despite them getting enough stacks to finish it usually they don't in pro play.

its not cost effective if you wont take nasus's passive aka the entire aa empowering and the heal and the gold gained into account, oh wait you dont even count ward into that

Most items are cost efficient **without **their unique passives/actives, Flare is far from that.

Knight SoIaire Aug 2, 20141 votes

is in the top 5 champions for most using the item in soloq and it is naturally the best choice on manaless champions.

yes he takes it cause he wants damage and burst but this item was not meant for a champ like this actualy we dont have an item that would support assasins in the jungle

Except he does, since ultimate is a major cooldown and his main gank CD, he typical farms the jungle while it is down. Yet despite them getting enough stacks to finish it usually they don't in pro play.

he clears when he cant gank, like any jungler, but rengar wants to gank any time he has his ult, while feral junglers do this only it its a clearly easy gank, otherwise they want to farm farm and again farm that jungle also again rengar is an assasin and they dont fit the jungle (despite riot naming him so yi is not an assasin)

Most items are cost efficient without their unique passives/actives, Flare is far from that.

cause its stacks infinitely and provides magic damage for physical atacks, is it even hard to deduct it by yourself

before the nerf feral flare was'nt much stronger than it is atm, it was scaling good into late, and allowed junglers who farm the jungle (aka feral junglers which is still not a goddamn rengar )farm and win the game without helping their team once

bring rengar up once more and you will just prove that you are an idiot (i just dont want to argue with you about the champ that is not supposed to be a feral jungler in feral flare discussion)

feral flare is for meele autoatackers like yi,xin,udyr,skarner but not rengar who relies mainly on burst

OH god i checked your match history and you play rengar jungle a lot, stop whining about the item when you have a problem with the champ, rengar is not so great jungler, he can work in jungle but going to a lane is not easy for him, thats a champ flaw not a problem with item