What is Gameplay & Balance's general opinion on Annie?

Lucky·Apr 21, 2015·2 votes·1,298 views

overpowered, slightly strong, balanced, what

23 Comments

StrawberrycocoaApr 21, 20153 votes

Eh, I'm fine with Annie as she is.

ErockandrollApr 21, 20152 votes

I haven't player he much myself, and haven't played enough against her. It's hard for me to Judge her role in the team comp, When the LCS uses her as a support, yet YoloQ only complains about her ratios.

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Personally, I think she is a little strong. I say make her stun lose stacks after awhile so she can't just sit at 4 and completely zone you out...because if she is 6 with stun, you can't go near her.

Considering that Annie has no Mobility and her spell range is on the shorter side, I would consider that her zoning power is a fair compromise. I mean Victor was played a lot in the LCS because of his Zone control and high ratios (up until that visual bug got him disabled.) Annie has similar Zoning abilities only a little more Ult heavy.

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Not that using Mikael's is going to let the carry survive. Not to mention how rare of a buy it is because most people don't appreciate it.

If people actually appreciated supports doing support things, it might be more popular. Right now people will either complain about a support doing too much damage, (because they some how have been allowed to build full AP) or a Tanks support with god like engage. (yet the tank support has to continue to build tank, because he is some how the only tank on his team.)

BluePolarizerApr 23, 20152 votes

balanced to slightly strong.

warpenguin555Apr 21, 20151 votes

im leaning towards slightly strong. She is super annoying but after losing to them so many times, shes not as bad as before. i also learned how to gank her the best when im playing jungle so im not salty about her anymore

ThryaleApr 21, 20151 votes

fun fact: annie's Q does 220 base + .8 ap, while veig's Q does 260 base + .6 ap

and yet veig's q was obviously too toxic/strong to retain it's reliability and was converted into a crappy skill shot.

XtremeyApr 21, 20151 votes

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fun fact: annie's Q does 220 base + .8 ap, while veig's Q does 260 base + .6 ap

and yet veig's q was obviously too toxic/strong to retain it's reliability and was converted into a crappy skill shot.

forgot the fact that veigar's q gave him permanent ability power, thus giving him an extreme amount of damage lategame for a point and click ability.

ThryaleApr 21, 20151 votes

not quite, actually.

I left the ap stacks out because I also left annie's reset/mana refund out. (this is a ton of power for annie due to it making her farm much more efficiently than veigar, thus hitting important power spikes sooner while not always being oom)
if annie builds ~700 ap(dcap, ludens, zhonya's, morello's, and void) and veig has 900 ap with the same build (due to his stacks) their Q's will do almost identical dmg, but annie has far more reliability in her kit than veigar, thus making her a superior choice is most situations. Only when veig's total ap exceeds 1k does he start to vastly outstrip annie, but that necessitates him not getting crushed during the first 30 min of the game. (which is very easy to do, mind you. crushing him that is)

also, with old veigar, on a 45-50 min game, my q's would average 800 dmg to an enemy squishy. But my q's would be on a 2.4-4 sec cd. Compare that to any adc with a full build in the same game. Their aa's would do just as much dmg on a 1-.75 sec cd

Drunk RummateApr 23, 20151 votes

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fun fact: annie's Q does 220 base + .8 ap, while veig's Q does 260 base + .6 ap

and yet veig's q was obviously too toxic/strong to retain it's reliability and was converted into a crappy skill shot.

I wasn't aware that Annie received a free deathcap in stats after passing 120 CS.

ThryaleApr 23, 20151 votes

depends. annie can stay in lane much much much longer than veigar can, thus allowing her to acquire far more farm much earlier. This gold advantage is very important when hitting powerspikes, which is why annie is a superior choice to veigar for both burst and lockdown in most games. The only time veigar is a better pick than annie is if your game exceeds 45 min and you have a team designed to stall out that long.

Nucleophilic atkApr 21, 20151 votes

Personally, I think she is a little strong. I say make her stun lose stacks after awhile so she can't just sit at 4 and completely zone you out...because if she is 6 with stun, you can't go near her.

Curling VeigarApr 21, 20151 votes

unbalanced

TheSlogsApr 21, 20151 votes

Counts to four and sees particles around them - presses R "No no no I don't have any escape and I only bust Annie is balanced"

Well I'm sorry that good Annies know how to do that flashing onto the carries stunning them for 1.75 seconds. "But what about Mikael's?" Compare cooldowns please. That's not to say buff Mikaels.

Honestly I think Annie just needs a small rework. Make her have more interesting play and counter-play.

TheSlogsApr 21, 20151 votes

Not that using Mikael's is going to let the carry survive. Not to mention how rare of a buy it is because most people don't appreciate it.

LuckyApr 21, 20151 votes

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Counts to four and sees particles around them - presses R "No no no I don't have any escape and I only bust Annie is balanced"

Well I'm sorry that good Annies know how to do that flashing onto the carries stunning them for 1.75 seconds. "But what about Mikael's?" Compare cooldowns please. That's not to say buff Mikaels.

Honestly I think Annie just needs a small rework. Make her have more interesting play and counter-play.

Mikael's Crucible- 180 second CD

Flash- 300 second CD

your point was?

also what is Banshees what is QSS

TheSlogsApr 21, 20151 votes

Flash is not the only engage (waiting for a face check bush or ward place is really common)(people can give Annie speed buffs in countless ways such as Sivir ult). Also Banshees is so easy to take off of someone when your team works together (ex. ezreal w or something equivalently useless(assuming he isn't AP))

KMannnnn1Apr 21, 20151 votes

I'd put her at above average, probably even a bit OP. If it's any indication, I don't lose that often when I play her, as long as I'm not being an idiot, but I also rarely have much issue playing against her.

Instant cast time on her ult is probably the thing to hit if she were to be nerfed, maybe make it a lobbed projectile.

doiminat0r3600Apr 21, 20151 votes

SCREW THAT SIX YEAR OLD'S STUN!

XtremeyApr 22, 20152 votes

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SCREW THAT SIX YEAR OLD'S STUN!

we're talking about Annie , not Ashe ult

doiminat0r3600Apr 23, 20151 votes

Annie is a 6 year old girl that can stun with any ability..... Ashe is like 30ish than can only stun with her ult. Clearly we arent talking about ashe

XtremeyApr 23, 20151 votes

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Annie is a 6 year old girl that can stun with any ability..... Ashe is like 30ish than can only stun with her ult. Clearly we arent talking about ashe

lol thought you were referring to the length of the stun. Misread.

BeoridasApr 23, 20151 votes

i think shes too strong atm. Many pros seems to agree. TBH i ban her outright cause of her usual pick rate and how she can turn the tide of a game if done right.

I dont want her nerfed tho. i want her natural predators to get back the tools they had to deal with her efficiently. (like silence)

IcyPepperApr 23, 20151 votes

Strong.

Short-ranged, but difficult to avoid once in range. Zed outranges her, as quite a few midlaners with their spells. AA, not so much. Squishy as hell when played as support.