"Division 5 is basically the tier below"

Division 1 is pretty much Division 2 Division 2 is pretty much Division 3 Division 3 is pretty much Division 4 Division 4 is pretty much Division 5

Therefore, Division 1 is pretty much Division 5, which is basically the tier below it.

We are all Bronze 5. Tiers and Divisions are an illusion.

All are bronze until challenger.

Then its silver.

uh yeah i sooo survived promos... didn't like get put in silver 5 by default or anything... I DESERVE CREDIT! :D

"Golds pretty much silver."

If that were true, they'd be in gold and I'd be in silver.

No, Gold is Gold. And it feels good.

Oh okay then challengers is basically masters.

That numbr 1 spot is basically numba 2

You'll play against the same players, especially once you get above 60 LP in division 1. The div 5 players will typically not be playing with nearly the sense of urgency since they shouldn't be in real danger of being demoted. Trust me, div 5 0 LP lifers have ruined more games for me than div 1s trying to climb have.

Think of Divisions 5 as the bottom of an actual ladder. The bottom is where people are pushing and shoving trying to get on while avoiding people falling back down it. The higher you get, the more people you bump off the ladder, and you have less clutter in the way, making you stand out more.

I got more Bronze 1 to Bronze 2, to Gold 5 by mostly playing Quinn When I got to gold I instantly noticed the atitutude change Now after screwing around a ton in normals probably at silver mmr I can tell the difference between a silver and gold, skill-wise sometimes not much but atitude and decision making big time (sometimes)

But should we get credit for hanging in there with 0 LP? Cue inconspicuous whistling

Division 5 isn't necessarily the same as the tier below, but they're usually flooded with players who probably don't belong there and are too scared to play more ranked in case they get demoted. From personal experience though, and as many people will tell you, rank regardless of tier or division doesn't really tell you anything about the players skill level. I've seen people in my Elo (high plat) who range from great to the kind of no map awareness, feeding, flaming, mechanically awful non-meta picking crap you'd expect in bronze.....and not rarely, its quite scarily often tbh. At the same time I know people who are stuck in silver who are mechanically amazing, like "diamond" level.

But yeah, I understand why people say this, because often the division 5 players don't display enough of the qualities EXPECTED of that elo, because they barely belong there if they can't get out of division 4/5 of that tier. If that's because they haven't played much (because they are scared of getting demoted) fine, you can't really judge if they "are that tier level" because they haven't had enough experience around that tier to judge either way. If they have played many games and can't get out of X 5/4 chances are they may not be good enough to "qualify" for that tier..... It's all ridiculous tbh, most people who say "x 5 doesn't count" are just lower elo jealous people anyway....but again based on personal experience of "X 5" players....they do often suck compared to what you'd expect of them. Mainly diamond 5's or diamonds last season. I assume they were only diamond 5 because they nearly all seem to suck ass. and I can't imagine they got far into diamond with silver mechanics and a bronze attitude.

If you look at the distribution (ex: http://na.op.gg/statistics/tier/ )

It's pretty clear that somewhere between, I dunno, 1/5 and 1/3 of the players in a "V" division would probably be in the next tier down if it wasn't so hard to demote.

Am I the only one that thinks there's a large skill gap between Silver 1 and Silver 2 players?

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If it was "balanced" then there wouldn't be 50-100% more people above each tier division than below it. You can see that as the divisions go up, the number of players in each division goes down except at the tier boundaries.

e.g.:

S3: 126K players S2: 109K players S1: 64K players G5: 108K players G4: 52K players

Of course, that's exactly what you'd expect from the way Riot has set it up. Anyone who can hold their own in S1 is one lucky winning streak away from promoting to G5, and then they "stick" in G5 for the rest of the season.

A lot are also 0LP G5 because friends carried them for skins. Heck almost all the people I know in 0LP G5 got carried there.

division 5 is where all the boosted accs, tilted ragers, trolls, and people who only play once a week for season bonuses live. That and people who got carried there and are on the way to being dropped. This applies for every Division 5 except for Bronze, increasing in severity as you go higher (Diamond 5 being the worst)

"Division 5 is basically the tier below, except at one point you got lucky and won 3 games out of 5"

Happy?