Ah nostalgia is sweet, isn't it?

SaltyToplaneGoat··125 votes·4,229 views

Let's conveniently forget the toxic shitpool that was the old champion select.

Or that the lastpick was doomed to be support or troll.

Or the "dodge-duels" when two people get on their balls so hard they both lock in án obvious troll-pick to make the other leave first.

I'd rather have a game of fill for that occasionally, thanks.

All because you don't wanna support one in ten games or so. Guess what, in the old system you would be forced to support way more due to being last pick. And filling as a support in a while is not so hard really, even if you are not dedicated support player. You are a toplane main? Take your cc-heaviest tank! Hell, back in the days I even made Seju or Sion support work, it's not much different from toplane mostly. You are a midlane main? Pick your cc/utility mage and get to harrass! You are a jungle main? Great, now you know exactly when and where the ganks will come and what supports make it suport hard for you usually.

Seriously, people act like they had to learn totally new champs for support, which is totally wrong in most cases.

Filling is not hard. And it's definetly easier than having to deal with the toxic shitload that was the old champion select.

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Eedat39 votes

'Member the good old days of league? Oh I 'member! 'Member DFG? Oh yeah I 'member it was so healthy! 'Member? I 'member! 'Member? I 'member! 'Member? I 'member! 'Member? I 'member!

DeathBot66634 votes

And lets not forget about all the healthy and balanced alternate build paths way back when.

http://orig12.deviantart.net/31d3/f/2012/365/6/4/ap_master_yi_by_songoanda-d5pv2ur.gif

PaladinNO1 votes

I 'member DFG, Zephyr, Philosophers Stone, Twin Shadows and Atma's Impaler. And luckily I don't 'member LB on release.

xScarfy1 votes

I hope u also 'member Heart of Gold?

PaladinNO2 votes

What about the item that got consumed and upgraded itself to Aeylsa's Miracle or somethin'? I 'member it gave some permanent buff to Heal.

EDIT: Eleisa's Miracle /Edit

I also 'member Avarice Blade. Was for some reason part of Atma's, if I 'member correctly.

I don't 'member Heart of Gold, sadly. Only Kage's Lucky Pick and Philosopher's Stone. And Sword of The Divine.

4th3t0s1 votes

That was the alternate upgrade from philo stone IIRC, the other being shurelias.

PaladinNO2 votes

While we are taking this trip down Memorabilia Lane...

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuFMZD__7mN2gVYXOGVx4DsebjAH Client front page, patch 3.14.

Lets remind ourselves what the client itself looked like back in the glory days.

I miss that part about the game. Where the graphics were clearly amateur hour, but unlike the current design, it managed to capture the essence of the game, by giving it not always so subtle hints that this is a fantasy game!

Full-on Dungeons and Dragons, with arcane glyphs and decorations everywhere. ALL of that is gone now. This game may still be a fantasy game, but the spirit of it is long gone...

I know I just went full philosophical, but I like doing that from time to time. Putting my mind into words often solves problems for me.

WoonStruck1 votes

Which Sword of the Divine? :^)

PaladinNO1 votes

"Which"? Are there more of them? :O

I was only aware of the one - in this game at least. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sword_of_the_Divine

The other divine sword I know of builds with K-Y to perform as intended, i.e. to maximize potential output. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

WoonStruck1 votes

There's a dodge ignore one, and a damage one.

PaladinNO1 votes

Links, please, as those were news to me.

But I take it they're both long since removed from the game, yeah?

Shadow Hazard3 votes

member when pepperidge farm was the member meme!

Weathered26 votes

Incoming rants about Teambuilder's superiority.

Eedat27 votes

fuck team builder. No bans, every OP flavor champ in every single game. No counerpicking the enemy team. No flexibility. No nothing.

inb4 100000 downvotes

The Soulforged3 votes

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fuck team builder. No bans, every OP flavor champ in every single game. No counerpicking the enemy team. No flexibility. No nothing.

inb4 100000 downvotes

It was supposed to be a fun mode that was like blind, but everyone got what they wanted. It wasn't meant for competitive, but rito should've kept it for normals.

Spice POWAH1 votes

fun mode

like blind

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The Soulforged3 votes

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In blind you can pretty much do whatever you want, well at least I do that ;). Same thing with teambuilder if you made your own team.

Spice POWAH1 votes

yeah, you can do whatever you want in blind, but that mode is a salt mine and i'm surprised I made it through all the toxicity now that I almost exclusively play draft pick norms.

The Soulforged3 votes

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yeah, you can do whatever you want in blind, but that mode is a salt mine and i'm surprised I made it through all the toxicity now that I almost exclusively play draft pick norms.

Idk about you, but I usually go in 4-5 mans with friends and blinds are usually pretty fun for me. Although I almost never play without friends except in ranked, so I guess I don't really know enough to say for sure.

Irelia Bot17 votes

What if a lot of players actually learned to play support with the old system becasue they understood that they would have to do it sometimes.

I had support as my backup position and I was completely fine with that. Then season 6 came along and punished players like me for having it as my secondary position.

Big Lincoln11 votes

wasn't the entire point of new champ select to avoid people having to fill roles they didn't like

so are we admitting that it didn't change anything after all xd

Loboros6 votes

I never had any problems with the old draft system. I got my role most of the time, and in ranked games too. I rarely had to play a different role.

Sammystorm2 votes

I got my role most of the time and rarely had problems like trolls and dodges and stuff.

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

It was also a lot less stale. The game has gotten more boring for me now that I'm always playing Support. I love playing Support but playing the same role over and over and over again gets really freaking old and the old champ select gave me an excuse to play other roles once in a while on the rare occasion that you got two support mains in one game or someone else was a Support secondary that didn't get their main role.

agbudar5 votes

Leona great pick if you are a toplaner and most junglers like this one anyway got a 4 second lockdown on 1 target with a full rotation

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

Eh, too teamwork reliant for people not used to that. Just take Nautilus if you want a cc lockdown ^^

Very Hard Engage5 votes

i remember the good days when i was last pick but said i was a mid laner and my team would give it to me because we worked together and i was respectful of their decisions. sure i got AUTO FILLED into support occasionally but old champ select was way better at getting teams to talk and make a game strategy before going in and we talked about what we wanted to play.

but hell, who works with their team mates in ranked? thats a dumb idea.

"yay i got top, i get to play tank yasuo now!" - auto locks yasuo regardless of ally/enemy team.

Korillo5 votes

"Because the past was difficult, the future must be difficult too". OK Sir.

People asked for a role selection queue method for years. Riot finally delivered. Then they decided to put in autofill, defeating their own system.

I'm not going to play a role I don't enjoy. Why would I waste 20-60 mins in a game in a role I don't have fun playing? You're right, I'm not. The only purpose auto-fill serves is to guarantee I dodge, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that thinking.

Dominick Destine4 votes

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Let's conveniently forget the toxic shitpool that was the old champion select.

In bronze, sure.

Or that the lastpick was doomed to be support or troll.

No it wasn't.... I guess again maybe in bronze.

Or the "dodge-duels" when two people get on their balls so hard they both lock in án obvious troll-pick to make the other leave first.

Good times, lol.

I'd rather have a game of fill for that occasionally, thanks.

Some people wouldn't.

etc.

Dextix LT4 votes

No, not really in bronze, it was even in high elos, because the only real difference between elos is skill, not behavior. The old champ select was crap across the board, it is actually one of the reasons why i main support, because i was forced into the role so many times that i simply said "fuck it" and started to main it.

And having 1 fill game to be guaranteed a role is not a bad thing, it promotes skill diversity and lessens que times (Which is important). It also avoids the negative situations listed above by the op. It is only a bad thing for spoiled children that think they should be able to play 1 role and 1 role ONLY.

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

Overall i agree with your point but no, behaviour and the right mindset is an important skill to get to high elo.

WoonStruck1 votes

I agree that Fill is a good thing, but tbh, I'd rather have role select gone, or at the very least as only a suggestion to matchmaking, rather than a near-requirement.

Queue times going down by 25-60% depending on MMR would be great.

WoonStruck1 votes

I rarely had issues in champ select.

I rarely had the last person end up support/trolling.

I rarely had two people fighting for a role in champion select.

Filling causes people to troll just as often as original draft, provided there is no support main.

**Usually people were overly nice to each other in order to brown-nose their ways to the role they want, and people often let them have it. **

Nowadays people are rude as hell, especially premades of 2+ if you get any response out of people at all.




So yeah, he's kinda right guys. I was silver in early seasons.

Bronze is the only place where this was a blatant issue.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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I rarely had issues in champ select.

I rarely had the last person end up support/trolling.

I rarely had two people fighting for a role in champion select.

Filling causes people to troll just as often as original draft, provided there is no support main.

Usually people were overly nice to each other in order to brown-nose their ways to the role they want, and people often let them have it.

The above quoted is what happened to players that were not at the lowest brackets.

A lot of people want to pretend like the old champ select was absolute chaos but that was never really true. People specifically tried their hardest to be as accomodating to their teammates as they possibly could because, surprise surprise, people wanted to WIN. Trolling each other was an almost sure loss and people did not want to lose.

So yeah, he's kinda right guys. I was silver in early seasons.

Bronze is the only place where this was a blatant issue.

Of course.

Athenes Lulu4 votes

Hell, some of the best supports right now doesn't even require much supporting knowledge to simply not feed.

Brand Blitzcrank Zyra Annie Janna

Scoroct3 votes

thank you so much for making this post. Having to fight over roles in chat was annoying even if the easy precedent of first-pick priority was usually recognized. That said the few who got really shafted are those that want to occasionally support but can't put it secondary or just put fill since they will get it every damn time.

HazyCloud73 votes

Why does it need to be enabled in all queues at all times though? Norm draft doesn't need autofill. And even in ranked, autofill shouldn't be instantly placing people that queued up for something like Mid/Jg into support almost immediately, as I've heard many people complain about.

If every single game features multiple people who got autofilled into roles they don't play, I think we have a problem. I'll gladly wait longer to get a role I actually play.

High53 votes

The old select worked fine when players were reasonable and flexible.

The system wasn't the problem. The new system actually makes all the old problems worse because it caters to the most stupid and lazy players.

DracosKasu3 votes

Let not forget the old chat with mid or feed

Wolftastic332 votes

I miss it.

BatchBustsMeta2 votes

Yeah, I say they make a special legacy server, of season 1.

People would appreciate the current game a whollleee lot more. xD

WoonStruck1 votes

Around when Shyv, Graves, etc were released, nothing was really all that bad, balance-wise. People didn't know about AP Tryn, Yi, or plenty of other issues that came up in the future.

No Fizz/rework Graves/Yasuo, which would make people appreciate it a lot more than current days. I, personally, have no issues with him though.

Myrmiron2 votes

Funny, I rarely encountered any of this. Even in season 1 when I was main support I sometimes didn't get to support because there was another support main in my team.

JQKAndrei2 votes

Sion Poppy are perfectly viable supports

Rock MD2 votes

It's funny because I said that queue times would be way too hard to support the new system of dynamic queue combined with champ select.

Then Riot toned down Diamond to 3, Master and Challenger to parties of... was it 1 or 2?

Then they had to add autofill because their system chased off potential support players who didn't want to play support 95% of their games just because they were willing to fill.

The system as a whole has been a failure. I wish you would recognize that.

Battlecast Sona2 votes

I just shake my head.

Everyone who played League before NCS has already autofilled many, many times. Acting like autofill is some sort of new thing is hilarious to me - I'm convinced that the people complaining about it are the bullies that would instalock whatever regardless of the conversation in champ select while flaming/trying to force someone else to fill.

Irelia Bot2 votes

It was only a shit show if you were one of those "never support" players.

I was totally fine with supporting about a quarter of my games for season 5 because I got to play top for more then half of my games.

WoonStruck1 votes

Right? Entitlement is the issue, not the old queue system.

If the old queue system caused the entitled brats to stop playing ranked as much, I'd be fine with that as well.

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