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Playing New Mordekaiser for the first time; Seeking guidance/advice from the Community

TheKingofEloHell··29 votes·13,005 views
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I -Intro II- Let's Give this Morde a shot III- Why post here? IV- Social Media outlets

I -Intro I love Mordekaiser.

Looking forward to playing the new one- even worked with a German graphic designer to develop some cool new overlays for the stream, in light of Morde getting a Dragon pet! (Please see attached pictures)

When Mordekaiser was finally given a buff in Feb 2015- I decided to radically change my playstyle. I've been working on Morde smite Mid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHbe_2GsTU

I've been working on Duo bot Morde: http://gyazo.com/e56d3237727974ca02a3364a6fdd4b59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddth5MbXDJc

II- Let's Give this Morde a shot After looking at both the negative and positive feedback for this rework- I'm optimistic about duo bot Mordekaiser, but feel that solo Morde has been gimped hugely. (Use of W as a source of armor and wave clear was very important for those Morde's that actually played with a brain instead of mashing buttons HUEHUEHUEUE'ing)

I have not yet played PBE Mordekaiser (I am really busy irl haha)

But I've taken off work at my 2nd job to learn the New Morde tonight

Here's some things I will NOT be doing:

No spellvamp. No trinity force. These items may give Morde huge power and or sustain- but in a team fight as a champ with no escape other than running for his life- placing power into your Q (which you now have to use 3 times to enjoy) just makes you a squishy champ with very little teamfight potential.

I know this because as any fan of Morde will admit- we've all tried AD Morde or hybrid Morde out at some point. HUGE damage on Q- but the tiniest CC will end you.

Titanic Hydra looks good though.

I'm thinking POSSIBLY Ryalis, Hourglass, Titanic Hydra, Pen Boots as a potential core. Ludens and Liandries are definately being considered. Unlikely I will go for the Visage. Warmog's looking pretty cool.

These are my tentative runes after thinking about reworked Morde bottom. https://gyazo.com/6aa2805eb3bc150caefeb848302f30a9

III- Why post here?

I'm hoping the League community will help me Theorycraft. Many of my best friends (who are eons better at this game than me)- have said that Morde is dead for good and to drop him after playing him in PBE for a couple of games. I'm fairly sure they just want me to quit playing Morde haha. I think he has potential and I'm just hoping I don't get banned/picked out.

I will DEFINITELY be looking for Leona/Thresh, (basically any tanky engage supports out there.) players to duo with when I'm ready to bring this to ranked.

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37 Comments

GD goldtitan10 votes

Shoutout to TheKingofEloHell addressing the changes with Mordekaiser in the new patch from a prospective with a lot of experience on the champion. Prior to meeting him in a ranked match and duoing with him I found Mordekaiser to be fairly irrelevant. After playing with him and seeing a build of his where he opted to spell vamp in runes and masteries and picking up higher damage threat items such as Ludens over WotA, I found myself enjoying a lot of comfort and power on the champion. His experience and knowledge on the champion has offered a lot of insight for me, and likely others who have played with him or watched his stream.

The movement speed drop is disappointing as he mentioned. Grossly disappointing are the changes to his W ability: the passive is useless in solo laning--and equally so is the active. I've seen TheKingofEloHell make some impressive plays by maxing his W and turning enemy ganks flat on their backs and reversing for the double kill. Now W leaves the solo lane Morde without an ability--without a defense/semi-escape/chase tool--an empty ability which won't build his shield up, except for when an ally jungler or laner makes the rare visit.

The champion pre-Patch 5.16 was a fun niche play for me, and now I simply won't touch him until those dedicated enough (like TheKingofEloHell) can show viability on the new kit.

(Also, I played a non-ranked game as him on the new patch. The expectation players had when I told them I wanted to "try the new Morde bot" was that I would be supporting them...)

MealReadytoEat8 votes

Despite Rito's wishy-washy assurances, solo lane is absolutely dead now. 325 MS, no mobility, low range, no cc, and nearly all his damage tied to three attacks means he looses to any one he cant burst with those three (most tops), or poked and kited by any range champ (most mids), or simply bursted by assassins. That said, a melee duo with some hard engage is absolutely brutal. At level 1 his w does 380 damage over its duration, making early game duels real easy to win, and his q quickly ramps up to crazy damage around level 5, letting him bring the pain to anyone his partner can catch. His w also lets him get to his partner pretty quick as well. Xin Zhao, Volibear, Zac, Ekko, and Nautalius all bring a brutal experience to your enemies. Misery Loves company.

TheKingofEloHell2 votes

WELL SAID. Wanna duo tonight? What's your elo?

ItsHueroTime2 votes

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letting him bring the pain to anyone his partner can catch. His w also lets him get to his partner pretty quick as well. Xin Zhao, Volibear, Zac, Ekko, and Nautalius all bring a brutal experience to your enemies. Misery Loves company.

Wow I didn't even think of a xin bot lane. /slow clap

ButterBladesX2 votes

funny thing is eve also says Misery loves company

ItsHueroTime7 votes

For our King!

Mortekaiser5 votes

full tank accomplishes nothing, bruiser/damage ends with morde becoming swiss cheese

im sorry, but the champ we all knew and loved is not really there anymore

Murderkaiser4 votes

R.I.P

I will not be playing ranked until i have mastered this... " Frankenstein ADC-Thing". Till then, good luck to all you Morde mains getting him back to being NUMERO UNO.

TheKingofEloHell4 votes

Perhaps he should be 'NUMERO DUO' now...huehue

Raid Boss Morde2 votes

I'm afraid to go back to ranked with him. People are going to say I'm trolling for taking him bot.

Prospector Pete4 votes

Morde seems pretty powerful now, I just wish they didn't destroy his solo laning.

Goosetard3 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Ec69AZnL-logical-in-depth-analysis-of-why-mordis-now-inviable-as-a-solo-laner-long-has-maths-summary

I don't believe he's viable as a solo laner

The Elder Noob2 votes

NICE business cards xD.

'Keep calm and be #1'

Vladimeow2 votes

{quoted}

I -Intro II- Let's Give this Morde a shot III- Why post here? IV- Social Media outlets

I -Intro I love Mordekaiser.

Looking forward to playing the new one- even worked with a German graphic designer to develop some cool new overlays for the stream, in light of Morde getting a Dragon pet! (Please see attached pictures)

When Mordekaiser was finally given a buff in Feb 2015- I decided to radically change my playstyle. I've been working on Morde smite Mid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHbe_2GsTU

I've been working on Duo bot Morde: http://gyazo.com/e56d3237727974ca02a3364a6fdd4b59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddth5MbXDJc

II- Let's Give this Morde a shot After looking at both the negative and positive feedback for this rework- I'm optimistic about duo bot Mordekaiser, but feel that solo Morde has been gimped hugely. (Use of W as a source of armor and wave clear was very important for those Morde's that actually played with a brain instead of mashing buttons HUEHUEHUEUE'ing)

I have not yet played PBE Mordekaiser (I am really busy irl haha)

But I've taken off work at my 2nd job to learn the New Morde tonight

Here's some things I will NOT be doing:

No spellvamp. No trinity force. These items may give Morde huge power and or sustain- but in a team fight as a champ with no escape other than running for his life- placing power into your Q (which you now have to use 3 times to enjoy) just makes you a squishy champ with very little teamfight potential.

I know this because as any fan of Morde will admit- we've all tried AD Morde or hybrid Morde out at some point. HUGE damage on Q- but the tiniest CC will end you.

Titanic Hydra looks good though.

I'm thinking POSSIBLY Ryalis, Hourglass, Titanic Hydra, Pen Boots as a potential core. Ludens and Liandries are definately being considered. Unlikely I will go for the Visage. Warmog's looking pretty cool.

These are my tentative runes after thinking about reworked Morde bottom. https://gyazo.com/6aa2805eb3bc150caefeb848302f30a9

III- Why post here?

I'm hoping the League community will help me Theorycraft. Many of my best friends (who are eons better at this game than me)- have said that Morde is dead for good and to drop him after playing him in PBE for a couple of games. I'm fairly sure they just want me to quit playing Morde haha. I think he has potential and I'm just hoping I don't get banned/picked out.

I will DEFINITELY be looking for Leona/Thresh, (basically any tanky engage supports out there.) players to duo with when I'm ready to bring this to ranked.

https://twitch.tv/thekingofelohell https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-King-of-Elohell/820121808077262 https://twitter.com/KingofEloHell https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC59w0Pb3YMcd29fYaVmoTxA

Here's an amazing tip for the new Mordekaiser. Don't play Mordekaiser. Ever. Riot is trolling.

Best Kat EU1 votes

Dank memes

DamnMyNameWontFi1 votes

Bump

Du Ma Mi1 votes

Build straight AD+AS... you'll be three shotting people.

Luxurious1 votes

I like Gangplank as tanky engage, how do you feel about this?

Hellish Prophecy1 votes

If I may personally add: Tanky GP is the ONLY GP I do (besides AP Tank GP), and after seeing Morde bot for the first time and his potential and power with his support I must say this is a beautiful idea.

The Fast1 votes

The thing is, Trinity is an important power spike for more reasons than you list there.

Trinity Force offers stickiness, HP, AD, AP, AS, and MS, alongside one more important thing. Hybridization of damage. Alongside making it easier for Morde to get to, stick to, or run away from targets, Trinity hybridizes Mordekaiser's damage to be nearly equal between physical and magical, allowing him to completely forgo penetration, ala Jax. This allows room for Mordekaiser to build more tanky, and therefore, likely land more of those insane Qs, sustain harder and longer through his shield and W, and actually get to the targets he wants. Its also not just power in his Q, its power in general, because Mordekaiser now has the highest base AD in the game, clocking in at 151 last time I checked. This means trinity procs will do 302 damage, and they are not just proc'd on Q.

Trinity + Rylai's gives 700HP, a good amount of early tankiness. This item combination provides you with all the damage and stickiness you need on Morde, due to the slows, speed ups, and aforementioned hybridization of damage. After this, you are free to build tanky, and the much needed Merc Treads.

This is the most optimal way to play Morde, in my opinion.

TotalJerk1 votes

The rework has been out like a day. You can't really trust what people say about how to play him.

Tomatosx1 votes

whats your rank? gold here support main

TheKingofEloHell1 votes

I have a gold 1 (decayed) a Plat 4 and an unranekd acc that's 5-2 in promos haha

A Miss Fortune1 votes

When I play him bot I feel like I should buy like an ADC sort of. Clearly there are other tanks on the team. I don't even feel like there's really a point in building him AP anymore, since his Q scales significantly higher off AD and his E ratios are the same.

item 3072 item 1306 item 3153 item 3074 item 3065 item 3102

I see other Mordekaiser's go AP but I don't even feel like there's a point anymore. Sure his W is stronger with the heal and damage but It's the ability last leveled up anyways, and sure his ultimate is stronger with AP but It's not like It's going to be your main damage.

They kind of shoved Mordekaiser into "If his Q can hit you, he wins.". I believe his Q scales off 390% of his total AD and 260% of his total AP. While Hextech or Will of the Ancients do seem appealing to Mordekaiser, why get that over Bloodthirster and BoRK that just feeds into his insanely high AD ratio, with BT giving him another shield, BoRK making him able to be less kiteable in duels, and both giving him a ton of sustain.

Galthizier1 votes

The new Morde is terrible, you took his solo lane aspect away and generally when he is alone 1 less ability. He STILL has no CC, that movement boost is still not good, especially if you are solo. Morde has always been solo, even in his lore, why partner him up now?? Riot did a complete REDO of Morde and all I was expecting was a rework. The only thing they needed to do is buff his shield, make the his Q more responsive, and the dragon thing is nice. You gave a Champion with amost no movement and 3-strike Q >.> I'm Done.....

Demonsolder211 votes

So have you tried new mord?

x Skullmeat x1 votes

Here's my thoughts from the 5 games I played as him tonight:

  • Join games with a friend. Nearly all of the community hates the idea of a Morde ADC until they see the damage it can cause. But if you don't make it to that part of the game then you can't really show them.

  • Get a good support with some hook power! You're W is your greatest weapon! Not only does it do a rediculous amount of damage when you are near your support, but it also HEALS YOU for a percentage of the damage caused! This means you have more sustain in fights, and you can actually win fights at lower health!

  • His E is good for a poke, but in the long term you want to level his W and Q first. If you find yourself getting caught out alone quite a bit, then level his E first, q second and W third.

  • Items that I chose: Triforce, attack speed boots, hExtec gunblade, guinsoo blade. You can customize from there as you see fit. The hybrid build helps create better synergy with his scaling. I haven't tried a full AD or AP build yet, but they could potentially be good. The problem right now is that his Q and E scale INCREDIBLY WELL with AD, while his W only scales with AP.

  • Don't expect to put out huge damage numbers. Morde is all about teamwork this time around. If he doesn't have a team, he doesn't have a fight. HOWEVER, his W can make a 2v4 VERY POSSIBLE. Early in the night I was able to make a 3v5 a WINNING FIGHT. On top of that, my two teammates were at half health! Despite ults from an enemy jarvan, nautilus, and ezrael! Just pop your W on the teammate with the lowest health and watch the fun begin!

  • Morde's Q is a wonderful spell that works a lot like Xin's. Because of this, you want to look at attack speed. You also want to look into cooldown reduction. The more you can use your abilities the better (which was always a thing with morde), but his Q puts out some serious hurt.

  • The dragon can change games. Getting drag is now a full priority with Morde. He can completely demolish lanes with a dragon in tow.

  • Morde's W can be cast on your pets! This one trick has caught me some nice kills that I would have otherwise bitten the dust over.

Shikigami1 votes

No clue if you still want this, but alright, I'll give it a shot.

Mordekaiser

What I've maxed so far is W > Q > E. Every game I've played so far with him has been with a support who's in a voice call with me (Ranked 5's and Drafts). I've also won every single one (I'm Gold 2, so around there).

Here's what I've learned.

A) Relic Shield first item? I'm not a huge fan, but it's probably the best item to start. The sustain, hp and the potions are pretty good. By the time I get around to selling it, I made around 300 gold profit.

B) Getting W as first skill is pretty bad, even for level 2 rush You'll need to KILL the minions you're targeting. With your W first, you'll get poked to death before the lane even starts, let alone get the minions.

C) Maxing Q over E I think the general consensus for what to max is what you'll actually land and also what actually does more base damage (scaling damage rarely changes with level). If you're in range to hit someone with W's damage, that's when you should go in. In that case, you'd probably be landing your Q. Your Q also does a lot of scaling damage and costs a lot less health.

Normally, I'd max Q > W > E if I didn't have a support with me (in a call to coordinate W engages) and I'm ahead, if I fall behind, I'll max E instead for safe farm secure and get Q last, W does AMAZING damage and a good heal too.

On the side, MAXING W FIRST was super strong if you have a duo partner, we'd both be full hp after a few minions.

**D) Build ** I went for a mainly damage focused build. I think the old Mordekaiser rule applies, you always fight to the death... your odds of running are next to 0.

Triforce (Sheen proc in general is pretty strong. AD/AP with MS is also a good mix with CDR) > Gunblade/WOTA > Rylais > Rabadons/Guinsoo's Rageblade (Seems like a cool item) /Liandries/Luden's (Pick 2 or go defensive item ) > Boots (I usually go Ninja Tabis to kill the enemy ADc more)

I think that you can get WOTA as your first spellvamp item, then instead of getting a second one, get Liandries and then finish off with Rabadons for good AP damage and scaling (30% increased AP)

You can also throw in Zhonyas or Abyssal depending on if you're dying to mainly phys or magic damage, Liandries if you're dying to mixed.

TLDR Build item 3078 item 3146 item 3116 item 3151 (item 3001 /item 3157) (item 3047/item 3111)

E) Runes + Masteries I used my Evelynn runepage (the one I used for jungle eve) and it worked every game. I decided to take no mr and focus on damage so : AP Quints AD Reds AP Blues Flat Armor Yellows

I didn't math the best possible build. Probably someone else can get it down for me. Maybe trade AP blues for MR blues for a serious magic damage dealer (like Annie).

F) Supports good with Mordekaiser The requirements are lockdown (he's slow and no hard cc), doesn't need relic shield (so mordekaiser can get his exp bonus from KILLING the minions), Uses X/X/21 Masteries (So the support can get the mastery that increases exp near higher level ally -- not super important) and lastly, someone who likes to stick near-ish to enemies (for W active).

I could only really think of one who fits all of these, Karma. Good ones that fit some are Alistar and Thresh (Who both should start coin)

This is what I learned so far, Good luck!

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

Rush item 3116 then item 3742 and item 3083... Q and E does enough damage by itself, even with only Rylai..

Builds:

item 1311 item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 item 3151 item 3001

item 1306 item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 item 3065 item 3157

item 1331 item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 item 3065 item 3023

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

Rush item 3116 then item 3742 and item 3083... Q and E does enough damage by itself, even with only Rylai..

Builds:

item 1311 item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 item 3151 item 3001

item 1306 item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 item 3065 item 3157

item 1331 item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 item 3065 item 3023

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

I'll be watching your stream tonight, If you play my core items at least 3 times I'll sub your twitch and youtube.

Terff1 votes

I actually like (although you said no triforce) item 3078 item 3742 item 3748 item 3022 or item 3116 item 3111 item 3102 or item 3190 Also I've been thinking about a jax-ish build item 3078 item 3153 item 3065 item 3742 item 3111 item 3116

Matezoide1 votes

So, did you manage to think of something that goes well yet? I have been theorycrafting him for a while now and every single combination of items/role that i can think of ends up being done better by several other champions.

Dont trust on the Patch Notes btw, theres a lot of incorrect or unmentioned information regarding Mord's changes. His solo laning seems to be pretty dead though, since not only is his overral damage and pushing weaker, he is also even easier to gank.

Lord Boltrix1 votes

Mordekaiser Rework Change Proposition

I put my thoughts on how they could make Mordekaiser a champion viable in any lane or the jungle, and trying to maintain the image of what we all think of him.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

So disappointed how weak he is top lane http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5yRgRUAo-riotscruffy-riotrepertoir-can-we-get-some-reassurance-that-morde-will-still-be-looked-at?comment=00000004

Mongoose1 votes

lmao coming to G&B for advice

Star PlatinumELO

my mordekaiser build (which has won me a fair bit of games today) is: item 3146item 3078item 3020item 3285item 3116item 3151 . this is however only day one on my build, so it might change a bit throughout the months.

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