Boards›Gameplay

So 2 Morde mains got together and theory crafted the New Morde. Enjoy.

TheKingofEloHell··108 votes·24,609 views

I. INTRO II. MORDE'S IDENTITY III. Morde as a Solo Laner IV. Es Numero Uno to Es Numero Duo V. WHAT RUNES do you RUN? VI. WHAT CAN MORDE DO THAT AN ADC CAN'T DO BOT? VII. WHAT BUILD PATH? IX. Is Morde truly viable? X. HOW CAN I BE A GOOD MORDE? XI. Riot's inside joke: XII. Social Media/Stream

EDIT: Special thanks to Murdekaiser for his help these past few weeks. We've both been frustrated in not being able to solo with the champ we love- but our intimate knowledge of the way Morde works has turned rivals into the best of duos:

{quoted}

Give it time, and people in ranked will know how morde works. That way you will be getting better supports. Right now there are people (plebs) that didn't know morde was switched to bot lane... So i am forced to educate them on how he works now. Overall, he is dead in all 4 lanes except adc. He is in a good position but he needs more recognition.

^sums up the goal of this thread.

I. INTRO:

It's been two weeks since I ranted about the incoming rework for Mordekaiser.

I was right about some things, wrong about others. Original thread: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nEUnVy2j-im-a-simple-man-ive-played-morde-since-his-release-feb-24-2010-hes-all-i-know

I've taken my time compiling helpful videos, and trying out several different builds and rune set ups to determine what is optimal for Morde.

https://gyazo.com/5a1b95b823e60c0fc0b7c89b1ae80028

II. MORDE'S IDENTITY

Morde has been and still is:

-A slow moving death cannon (his burst takes a few seconds longer now) -A champ that REQUIRES tanky engage. (More or less the hammiest of comps) -An objective focused champ. (When you get a Morde pet- that means you're going to get a tower, or Dragon, or Baron- if you're lucky enough to be matched up with teammates that make your pet secure is the focus of the teamfight- you've got a great game ahead of you. As such- Morde's greatest weakness has never been his lack of CC, escapes or engage, but more so his reliance on competent/trusting teammates)

Let's talk about this Rework and what Riot did well and could improve on:

-The nerf to Morde's movement speed has been traumatic for me; but by communicating with my team and building correctly- this nerf has made more sense. _(With a no cost W being cast constantly- Morde gets around fairly well) _

-New items: Some, though not all of the items have amazing potential with Mordekaiser, and I will talk about them later.

-Long ult timer on Mord pets. THIS IS SO GOOOOOOD. One thing a LOT of people overlook with Morde ult is that:

Let's say your ult c/d is 100 seconds. You Ult and secure a pet. You make that pet last the full 45 seconds. When it dies you only have 55 seconds before your ult is back up. This is not even including CDR you can build- or the fact that even while on cooldown- Morde can get ANOTHER pet by taking Dragon. This change is in my opinion what truly makes new Morde more viable. It ENCOURAGES a fam to fight together.

BUG report on ult: Turrets no longer prioritize killing Morde pets under tower. (even when they are attacking the enemy champions) Don't get me wrong- as a Morde main- I think this is hilarious- but I do not think it's balanced or fair. I think Riot should fix that.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

**III. Morde as a Solo Laner. **

This is no longer viable. I could beat the dead horse with 3 paragraphs as to why- but let's keep it simple.

Morde's W: (While AMAZING in a duo lane when used properly- meaning your support must stack on top of you to get the dbl dmg/maximum heal) Is not castable in solo lane. Even IN a game where Morde started out bottom- he'll sometimes finds himself alone- and without being able to cast his W he can no longer be the Janitor in a teamfight if he was unable to wipe out someone with ult.

I'd like to see new ideas from Riot to address this. I love Morde bot and have played it exclusively for 6 months- but knowing I can't play Morde if champ select says: 'No thanks we're duo bottom' is something that irks me.

IV. Es Numero Uno to Es Numero Duo

Teemo 'WTF MORDE IS SO OP BOTTOM; NERF PLS'

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

First off. Riot's changes have nothing to do with Morde being viable bottom. The added sustain and increased EXP are nice and all- but if you don't think Morde could stomp bottom pre-rework; take a look at these screen shots:

1- taken in April after the Feb 5.4 patch: https://gyazo.com/e56d3237727974ca02a3364a6fdd4b59

2- taken the night before patch 5.16 as I tearfully soothed Morde into his final sleep: https://gyazo.com/cb58bdee47c82d8af7722ab224a97e1b

So yeah. Putting Morde into a role that gives him the things he was missing: (Engage, sticking power) IN EXCHANGE for nerfing his wave clear- is not a big deal. We'll talk about Dragon later. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ V. WHAT RUNES do you RUN?

I tried EXP runes. Hell I even tried EXP ruens with a ZILEAN support. It was hella 'meh'. Would not reccomend. I tried AD marks. Hp per lvl Seals. AP per lvl/flat blues. I tried dual pen marks/Quints. Still 'meh'.

One day I accidently picked my old KASS JUNGLE runes. Yes it was a thing in Season 4. Don't hate. (screenshot related: https://gyazo.com/05fc9bb0b701198c2df68084bdccb50d)

These runes: https://gyazo.com/f5ecf878d9103c8cd58b8af5fbd74495

which are: x9 Atk speed Marks x9 Flat Armor Seals (feel free to trade these out with scaling HP- but I have an important reason for keeping the armor) x9 Flat AP Glyphs x2 Atk speed Quints x1 AP Quint

These runes allow Morde to last hit comfortably and lesson the likelyhood of the enemy walking away from your third Q burst.

VI. WHAT CAN MORDE DO THAT AN ADC CAN'T DO BOT?

For one- Morde and Support can take Gromp/Kregs lvl 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcKmFfHxUXw

For two- Morde and Melee Support can heal eachother with double relic lvl 1 and Morde's W

For three- Morde can ride a Dragon. F*ck yeah. Shoutout to all the Dragon Knight Morde skin owners out there. Our time has come!

VII. WHAT BUILD PATH?

START item 3302 , you can sell it later- but that item synergizes with your shield, grants you sustain, hp and makes your double relic Support RICH.

Also Murderkaiser, (one of the best Morde's NA) and I tried double relic shield out in customs to figure out if a support last hitting for you gave you half or full exp in lane. GUESS WHAT. You get FULL EXP. So very freaking good.

Now in my original thread (linked at the top) I swore I'd never rush triforce or gunblade. I stand by that.

First off- both of those items are very expensive and the benefits you get from their indivual pieces do not outweight your unforgiving kit of 325 movement speed and no escapes/CC. Once you're caught you have to fight. I know that Morde has DMG built into his kit- but that DMG takes a few seconds to eek out. So in order to live long enough I need to prioritize being tanky.

So. Here's 3 reasons I rush item 3053 Sterak's Gage item 3053 and you should too:

Reason 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OyuqRUaEac Reason 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEDDMH-tniA Reason 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un4MNCd6a6o

My typical build is this: item 3053 item 3117 item 3078 item 3116 < After these items anything else is situational. I do prioritize Mobi boots over Sorc since the movement speed nerfs hit Morde hard. Morde is a Map hound now. Gotta get that cs and be back in time for dinne- er Dragon.

You can item 3285 to get back your waveclear You can item 3124 for the lul You can item 3157 to bait You can item 3151 to take down the tankiest- but imo with your W and your Q this is not needed any longer You can item 3146 if you're bad You can item 3050 if you're a hipster You can item 3742 if you just gotta go fast You can item 3025 if Trinity is too expensive and you need the CDR and slow procs. I really liek this item as a matter a fct.

I'm interested in hearing other builds that have worked. I've tried a lot of different things- but there's still more to try. I believe building Hybrid as opposed to pure AP opens up better itemization for Morde- especially in team fights.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

IX. Is Morde truly viable?

Heck if I know. I'm still trying to get my main back to Platinum. (I have two smurfs in mid Plat)

I'm not qualified to say that Diamonds suck and don't understand Morde like I do. (Most do, but I'm not qualified to say that :^)) All I can tell you is what I DO KNOW:

-Dragon is a guaranteed tower unless you're up against a well organised team with wave clear that is willing to leave their other towers to defend. In some cases Drag can equal two towers. Morde = Objectives.

-Dragon can also mean a pretty easy Baron- but the higher elo you go the harder it is to sneak those.

-If you want Morde to do well on your team; PICK a HAM COMP- which is so easy Bronze can do it: https://gyazo.com/830254456245d1a9cc92ed0269737473

-If you want a Morde to score a 3- then set a PICK for him: (that means grow a pair and be willing to die if you've got the CC to enable Morde to get in and deal his DMG)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6aK8fmAq8o

-If you find yourself supporting a Morde. DO NOT PICK A RANGED SUPPORT. Morde's early DMG is centered around his W. If you're behind me chucking bananas instead of stacking our W aura- I'm going to lose the trade. Melee is love. Melee is life.

Here's a few clips of Supports that work well with Morde:

BLITZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhn_f3ZXBc

THRESH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0EI9_maUmY

LEONA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddth5MbXDJc

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

X. HOW CAN I BE A GOOD MORDE?

Well if you read this entire thread you're off to a good start.

1- Don't build spellvamp. It's a noob trap. There are few games where this is the most optimal build path. Spellvamp was meh before the rework. It died after Morde got built in sustain with W and was forced into a duo lane.

2- Learn what your skills do and take the time to develop the proper mechanics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rBzUPomY8c

3- Respect yourself you whore. You are a slow moving 300 gold stimulus package. With any coordination a team can make your life hell. (at least in solo lanes) If you're in lane without your support. STAY BACK. Wait for them. You ain't sh*t without your W.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

XI. Riot's inside joke:

In patch 5.4 which granted Morde some moderate attention; they had this to say about AD/Hybrid Morde: https://gyazo.com/7fd7c72ed6910463b04c74a243c1a417

Given Patch 5.16 I found that pretty funny.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

XII. Social Media/Stream: Cuz why the hell not?

If you're a Morde main- come brofist me on live stream. If you like free skins- I give away $100-$200 in skin every month. This is my 3rd month streaming and I'm working hard to make this a secondary source of income. (I work 60 hours a week and who the hell wouldn't want to get paid doing something they love instead?)

So long story short- you've upvoted my thread, you've shared it, you even bumped it like the BRO/Grill you are. If you'll tune in sometime and decide if I'm worthy of a follow I'd really appreciate it :)

https://www.twitch.tv/thekingofelohell https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-King-of-Elohell/820121808077262 https://twitter.com/KingofEloHell https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC59w0Pb3YMcd29fYaVmoTxA

138 Comments

RiotRiot Scruffy35 votes

Awesome guide and well reasoned and presented feedback. An informative read and I will share it with the other designers.

I've been using pretty similar builds to you and finding pretty good success. I'm never sure which first big item is the best first buy though.

TheKingofEloHell6 votes

I'm grateful for such feedback.

When referring to the first 'big item' to buy- I used to feel the same- it took me about 8 games to realize there was a better way than AP or gunblade/Triforce.

I really feel that with the changes that have been made- a simple giant's belt can go a long way as a first buy. Rolling into swift or mobi boots with Steraks has never let me down. Now AFTER sterak's I'm sometimes conflicted on whetehr to start Tri- and if so which item first- or whether I should start preparing for team fights (where my tankiness and utility have more pull than a sheen proc or two)

QUESTION: Was Dragon NOT appearing behind/beside you when the distance became too great a purposeful decision? I really liek the novelty of havign a ghost I can command to push a lane while i go back to my base.

Next question: Did you guys know that if Morde has a relic charge and his pet attacks a low minion it consumes the relic charge for Morde? Assuming you didn't know how do you feel about that? If you did know was it an intentional design? Or a happy accident?

LAST question: WAAAAY back when Morello ran things Morde had an amazing secret ability;

Morde mains called it 'ice man'- When you had a pet- and Morde's Q was primed- Morde could direct his pet to aa something and that pet's aa would proc the Q- applying the minions stats instead of your own. Is there any possible way to bring something close to that back into the game?

Although it would be very strong- it needs to be understood that obtaining Morde pet is hard work- and keeping the adc or apc pets is harder because they are very squishy and easily bursted. It would be nice to have different interactions with the pets according to the type you got. I know you've SORT of implemented this idea with the %HP/AD #oopsforgotthatsremoved/AP. So if I ult a tank I become a tank, APC I get a huge AP buff for 30-60 sec.

My reason for this is that I want new Morde and old Morde players to have a huge skillgap. I don't want the newbies to be miserable- but neither do I want them to play 5 norms and assume they know everything about Morde. It just seems that the older this game gets- the more dumbing down we see. I want more interaction with my champ. You took a great step in that direction with Garen's new passive by the way.

WiegrafOfValor2 votes

At least you're not complaining...

I'm still waiting for you to try: item 3116 item 3742 item 3083 CORE

OFF: item 3156 item 3001 item 3748 item 3151 DEF: item 3065 item 3068 item 3157

VIABLE BOOTS: item 1306 item 1331 item 1311 item 1316 item 1321 NOT VIABLE: item 1326 item 1327 item 1328 item 1325 item 1329

RUSH item 3116

AND item 1306 > item 1329

item 3078 It's not a good option, sure you can argue because it gives MS, AD and AP. but the cost is absurd, %MS isn't that great, MS on AA is awesome but doesn't make the item efficient at all.

The only way I see this item as a CORE or a viable OFF item is if you can combo Q > AA > AA > E > AA with consistency across all game, to proc the passive together with the 3rd Q. Otherwise you'll be proc it on the first Q, not giving that much of a burst as you want.

RiotMeddler7 votes

Dragon not snapping back to Morde's position when far from Morde was a deliberate decision. It's one we were a little nervous about, in terms of just how tough to deal with for the enemy team in might be, but felt was worth trying, given it allows a lot of cool plays.

Relic charges from Morde going to his ghost, and therefore giving Morde himself the bonus gold, was also a deliberate inclusion. It's a relatively niche case that matches how the Ghost otherwise functions (it's treated as a champion). Plus it's a small cool moment when you pull it off that doesn't offer too much power.

As far as being able to trigger the Q from the pet that's not something I could see us reintroducing. It's a cool optimization, but the Q's tuned around Morde having to get directly onto a target himself. Allowing him to do so from two possible locations, or at range, adds a lot of power there on such a high damage ability.

TheKingofEloHell2 votes

@Meddler- thankyou a lot for your input.

I can see a lot of fun interactions incoming with the split push Drag then. I heard that in norms Mirror morde's can steal eachother's drag- does this mean theoretically it's possibly to have 2 dragons at the same time? (trading the first one over and over again until the next spawn? Or would the next dragon just not spawn?)

Any chance of bringing back my ghost's ability to kill wards? You mentioned above that the pet is now being treated as a champion- I'll admit I've not tried attacking a ward yet simply because I'm used to it no longer working- but it'd be nice to have back.

Next- can we please make sure that if no leashed dragon remains OK to have- can we NOT do the same to Morde's champs? The ability to micro my pet away myself to make it appear next to me was a mechanic I had to develop and it's part of what separates a good morde from a new morde.

Any info on turrets not targeting Morde pets? I like it- cuz it makes my life easier and also means I'm more likely to be able to use a ghost's full duration. I am guessing that since you've recoded the pet as 'champion'- the turret treats them as such as well. So that's FINE- but even when I command my pet to attack an enemy under their own turret- they still are not targeted. That's a little unfair to me.

Lastly- is there any possibility of CertaintlyT coming by this board to add his say? I'm not going to witch hunt him- I just want to hear his opinion on my take on his design for Morde. I want to know if I'm taking Morde into the direction he wanted- or if there's more for me to try out. I'm sure he's already read the thread- but as a community we need to treat you guys with more respect- so I think him posting on a thread like this would be a good step in that direction.

RiotMeddler3 votes

You could indeed pass dragon ghosts back and forth for so long that another dragon spawned. I'd be amazed if I saw it happen in an actual game, but the possibility's there.

Not sure on the ward thing, will look into that. As far as the ghost goes we want champion ghosts to be treated as champions for purposes of game rules, behind the scenes they're clones though, rather than true champions, so are set up a little bit differently.

Current intent is that champion ghosts leash, dragon ghosts don't, in part due to dragon generally being a somewhat slower unit, who always spawns away from other objectives. We don't have any current plans to make champion ghosts not leash, more likely change would be making dragon leash if not doing so at some point proved too problematic.

Ghosts not being focused by towers is not an intended change as far as I know, will look into what's going on there.

LankPants2 votes

Current intent is that champion ghosts leash, dragon ghosts don't, in part due to dragon generally being a somewhat slower unit, who always spawns away from other objectives. We don't have any current plans to make champion ghosts not leash, more likely change would be making dragon leash if not doing so at some point proved too problematic.

It can get somewhat stupid when you 5 man mid and force a 5 man defence then just send the drag off to a side lane to take a tower.

TheKingofEloHell1 votes

hence the reason it moves so slow. Plus microing back and forth at such distance requires mad apm. Dragon will not stick to the target to assign- it keeps reassigning its own destination according to w.e Morde is attacking or being attacked by.

LankPants2 votes

Plus microing back and forth at such distance requires mad apm.

There's plenty of things in this game that require decent APM, kiting without A-clicking for example, and yes there is a reason to do that.

hence the reason it moves so slow.

Not quite as much of a problem as you might think. If you 4 man drag with top split then immediately send drag bot and run 4 mid you can almost 100% grab an outer.

There's no correct decision after Mord's team gets drag. You can run mid to defend and lose bot, send a ranged member bot to deal with drag and have a huge risk of losing mid/getting dove or you can have top TP to defend and sac top tower.

Synx73 votes

{quoted}

Awesome guide and well reasoned and presented feedback. An informative read and I will share it with the other designers.

I've been using pretty similar builds to you and finding pretty good success. I'm never sure which first big item is the best first buy though.

Don't share it with CertainlyT. I don't want him to believe that his rework was a success. He created an abomination that is capable of solo-ing baron, at full build, under 10 seconds.

iTams4 votes

Of course Riot only responds to the more or less "positive" feedback.

Fuck you guys. Seriously. Respond to some of the negative ones for once. Tell CertainlyT to get his head out of his asshole.

Kaza Ookami1 votes

maybe its cause the "positive" feedback is often constructive and the negative feedback is often destructive? Someone being destructive in their feedback is not going to give you valuable input and tends to just scream "fix it fix it fix it fix it" but as seen here someone is being very constructive pointing out what new strengths he has and then giving some good feed back on what they did right and what they did wrong.

ZB LordJohn19 votes

Quality thread; bumping for great justice.

SEKAI11 votes

A good rework is keeping the old champ's identity while expanding on top of it, a bad one simply replaces it.

And the absolute worse case scenario is when they replace it with something so clearly inferior, hard locked the champ out of strategic diversity, and all this comes from a designer who specifically designs broken, unbalance-able champs who are capable of going and dominating everywhere they go thanks to their sheer overloaded-ness?

Like, I don't even know how to feel about this situation because it's just so wrong on so many levels.

It's like this guys has made himself a mission to completely obliterate Morde for no apparent reason. Making him so ridiculously binary and blatantly broken in certain areas while gating him simply unable to go anywhere else, just so Riot can nerf him into trash tier and leave him there for the next couple of years. Why?

EDIT: The more I read this strategy guide, the more enraged I become. I apologise sincerely for my lack of control displayed here.

Valenten9 votes

I have to ask.... why not swifties instead of mobis? More consistent ms and it reduces the effectiveness of slows which are a bane to morde.

TheKingofEloHell3 votes

Swifties are completely viable- but the same question can be asked of annie right? But don't you see Annie with mobi's alla time?. I'll consider swifties versus comps that kite.

SH Azykan8 votes

Annie unloads everything all at once, once she is in range. Morde has to stick a little bit.

Thats why swifties > mobis for morde :P

Azteryz9 votes

this guy always makes threads like these i love it bump

TheKingofEloHell6 votes

it gives me faith in our community when I see comments like this. Thankyou for your approval. Tell your friends!

Murderkaiser8 votes

Give it time, and people in ranked will know how morde works. That way you will be getting better supports. Right now there are people (plebs) that didn't know morde was switched to bot lane... So i am forced to educate them on how he works now. Overall, he is dead in all 4 lanes except adc. He is in a good position but he needs more recognition.

VirtuosoArising5 votes

your attitude is horrendous and part of what is wrong with this community

Ayame Isaki3 votes

What's wrong with his attitude? I still run into people who don't know that Fiora was reworked... or that Akali was buffed in 5.9 and tweaked in 5.10 (that 5.9 R change was more trouble than good)... or that she was nerfed super hard in 5.2 requiring the aforementioned buff (happened last night... it's a funny story about a Zed but it is off topic).

There are willfully ignorant people who play this game and they need to be educated sometimes; this isn't an ELO thing either, though I find it more common from bronze/silver players than unranked casuals (such as myself). Reading the patch notes takes a whopping two minutes (read them while a game loads if you are that impatient to play) and you will be way better off for having read them.

You don't have to study the patch notes or memorize every detail (I study things that directly affect my favorite champs, lanes, or frequent opponents), but having a general awareness of the patch is good (Darius and Garen are reworked, probably buffed; Skarner introduces a dominion like mini-game; there are some new bruiser items that look OP; Morde can go bot...).

Insane Pyromanic7 votes

Have you tried nunu support? bloodboil is quite good on morde. Plus you can bloodboil dragon XD. Also if you paly morde in a normal and end up with a mirror you can steal the ghost dragon from each other LOL.

ItsHueroTime4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Insane Pyromanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Lb2RR7rG,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-25T22:36:40.543+0000)

Have you tried nunu support? bloodboil is quite good on morde. Plus you can bloodboil dragon XD. Also if you paly morde in a normal and end up with a mirror you can steal the ghost dragon from each other LOL.

wtf perma dragon sounds hilarious.

Big Lincoln6 votes

item 3072 item 3078 item 3053 item 3111 item 3742 item 3065

is what i usually build, sometimes item 3116 sometimes item 3143

riot's killed him for me though, i'm probably just going to pick up someone else

edit: why BT? because 3 shields = maximum hue uptime

Malicious Metal5 votes

Still playing him top with moderate success and even bot with my brother who mains Support (naughtylus and Huekaiser bot's the dream) and I the only irk I have about this whole rework thing's his W restriction. Getting rid of it would surely help him out Solo while not affecting his duo at all. As for build I consider item 3116 and item 3078 core. Gives him all the stickyness he needs. From there on I stick to my old Bruiser build most of the time; getting item 3065 for the tankiness and cdr, item 3157 for the damage and the active's way too good to pass up. My last item has changed to be the most adaptable to the situation; getting focused and want a second shot? item 3026
THIS PAIN TRAIN'S GOT NO BRAKESitem 3742
Want some more UMF and deal a TON more damage? item 3089 The possibilities are limitless but I tend to go for either one of these three options. As for boots I still get sorcs but with the Alacrity enchantment. This puts morde at 420 (kek) Ms without the phage passive.

All I want is to at least make him decent in Solo. Bot's fun from time to time but some people actually prefer going top/mid. #DIVERSITY

~M.M

Sasogwa4 votes

Why do you think Hextech is that bad? Sure it's costly and gives not necessarily needed sustain, but the AD and AP both synergize extremely well with your ratios and grant a lot of damage, and the active slow can help

TheKingofEloHell3 votes

Because how are you going to get 3 Q off if you're dead? Sure Gunblade gives you raw dmg- but the GAGE rush gives you plenty of DMG PLUS a multipurpose hexdrinker

Sasogwa2 votes

Sure. But I was talking about the item in general , not as a rush (it's a bit sad Morde doesn't get resists anymore, he feels so squishy now)

Mortekaiser2 votes

{quoted}

Because how are you going to get 3 Q off if you're dead? Sure Gunblade gives you raw dmg- but the GAGE rush gives you plenty of DMG PLUS a multipurpose hexdrinker

with AP itemization, i wont be dead. rylais + gunblade will allow you to tank and survive in fights pretty well, especially with ult giving you 100% spellvamp.

1Maza1 votes

{quoted}

Why do you think Hextech is that bad? Sure it's costly and gives not necessarily needed sustain, but the AD and AP both synergize extremely well with your ratios and grant a lot of damage, and the active slow can help

Gunblade is bad because it doesn't synergize with ITSELF. AD scales with Crit, Atk Spd, and Armor Pen. AP scales with CDR and Magic Pen. Any item that gives both is going to be a waste of money. If it wasn't that item would be broken. Gunblade should be removed honestly, it's the biggest noobtrap in the game right now. At least Hurricane is good on ONE champion. Gunblade is just never the optimal thing to buy.

Sasogwa1 votes

{quoted}

Gunblade is bad because it doesn't synergize with ITSELF. AD scales with Crit, Atk Spd, and Armor Pen. AP scales with CDR and Magic Pen. Any item that gives both is going to be a waste of money. If it wasn't that item would be broken. Gunblade should be removed honestly, it's the biggest noobtrap in the game right now. At least Hurricane is good on ONE champion. Gunblade is just never the optimal thing to buy.

It gives a good boost to stats. That's why it's good on Akali . And average on Jax thanks to his ult. But it gets largely outclassed by item 3153 on Jax, sadly. Problem of this item is that if we straight buff it, Akali gets op :(

1Maza1 votes

{quoted}

It gives a good boost to stats. That's why it's good on Akali . And average on Jax thanks to his ult. But it gets largely outclassed by item 3153 on Jax, sadly. Problem of this item is that if we straight buff it, Akali gets op :(

Honestly it's a misconception that Gunblade is the best item for Akali. Rushing Lich Bane into WotA is always going to be better.Just watch any high elo player play her, they won't dream of building a Gunblade. The only reason it's ok on her is the active for extra burst, but does she really need more burst when she could have a first item Lich Bane and be immediately stronger than everyone else in the game, then get WotA and never die even when enemies do catch up?

Sasogwa1 votes

{quoted}

Honestly it's a misconception that Gunblade is the best item for Akali. Rushing Lich Bane into WotA is always going to be better.Just watch any high elo player play her, they won't dream of building a Gunblade. The only reason it's ok on her is the active for extra burst, but does she really need more burst when she could have a first item Lich Bane and be immediately stronger than everyone else in the game, then get WotA and never die even when enemies do catch up?

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Akali

... HEM

cool1654 votes

I like new mordekaiser but what i dont like is how they shafted him bot lane, they should have kept him in his 2 main roles mid and top. I understand they wanted to turn him into an ap briuser, I can understand that gragas is a great version of an ap bruiser and he can top lane and jungle. But i just dont get why they put him bot lane as a melee where he HAS to be op to do anything or hes completely worthless.

Saianna3 votes

TBH, that's how CertainlyTs Morde posts should look like.

But guess what?

He's too busy looking for fucks he doesn't have.

Kuroi863 votes

TBH, if CT had posted something like this, the boards would have been flooded by people...

Downvoting CT because he's CT...

Penta Penguin1 votes

No way. There is already a Rioter who came forward and communicated about their own rework and they have full respect.

Kuroi862 votes

You're forgetting, CT was hated long before the Morde rework.

Penta Penguin3 votes

I would support you but you're very toxic

TheKingofEloHell3 votes

you're 120% right. Today has been a very very bad for me in terms of motivation. Morde been getting banned every que even though his winrate is at 46%.

Even my own team captains have banned Morde AFTER I requested he not be banned.

Then- offering to fill a role I get placed in a lane where my jungler refuses to gank and I get camped. It's tested and destroyed my patience. Sorry you saw it.

Bhargo3 votes

I like that they gave him a bit of love, especially that dragon pet. I don't like that they completely neutered his ability to do anything but go duo lane.

KING OF MASKS3 votes

"As such- Morde's greatest weakness has never been his lack of CC, escapes or engage, but more so his reliance on competent/trusting teammates"

Not to be overly technical but aren't those effectively the same thing?

TheKingofEloHell2 votes

People don't play Morde because he doesn't have X and Y- wheras so many others do.

Challenger teams do not play Morde for that same reason. They can trust one another implicitly. So it's close- but it's not quite the same thing.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Still disappointed Morde didn't get a PROJECT skin.

Purpel Vampire2 votes

I just posted a build guide thingy. But i didnt know about how good steraks was til watching those three videos about it on here. Ill post a link to my thread. But ill definitely be adding steraks me thinks XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/GU5aoka8-mordekaiser-build-guide-thing-for-those-who-want-some-ideas

UPfreely2 votes

your core build is pretty good, though I'd shy away from the mobis, maybe go swiftness or sorcs maybe even ionian. your filler items just seem to be thrown up there randomly. don't forget that morde shield scales great with resistances and he has awsome bases so he loves mpen. item 3001 item 3155 item 3065 item 3102 item 3742 item 3026 item 3075 item 3143 all great items for morde outside of his core item 3053 item 3078 boots and maybe item 3116 (very optional imo)

Acidic Puddle2 votes

Wow this guide is so in depth! It is almost as good as this one I saw on "MOBAFire"!!! I'm sure that playing your build will get me to Challenjour in no time!!!!

rip

MealReadytoEat2 votes

You'd be better off sharing krug's exp with your support. This lets BOTH of you get a large exp lead against your opponents, and get of some early cheese.

Also, in higher tier play people are smart enough to pop your mobies when you are running towards them. Annie gets away with this cause she's ranged and blows everything at once when she gets in range, but Morde needs to stick once he gets in range. They ARE cheap, and useful for getting to lane / roaming, so they definitely still have strong usage scenario's, but they aren't nearly essential as you claim.

LVL 5 PORO2 votes

Hey op, we're in the same fb group :D Small world

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by TheKingofEloHell

I'm a simple man. I've played Morde since his release: Feb 24, 2010. He's all I know.
Gameplay298 comments
544
votes
I'm the guy who created Morde bot. Not Riot. Now I have a bone to pick.
Gameplay90 comments
161
votes
Riot. The Morde mains thank you for the name compromise. Now let's talk about the Champ playstyle
Gameplay50 comments
64
votes
Morde's Dragon Ghost is a Boosted Animal. Riot please correct it'
Gameplay47 comments
53
votes
Jungle Morde: The Master of ..........MEDICINE!?!
Gameplay31 comments
35
votes
4,000 gold in 4 minutes. #JustMordekaiserThings
Gameplay32 comments
30
votes