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I'm the guy who created Morde bot. Not Riot. Now I have a bone to pick.

TheKingofEloHell··161 votes·9,667 views
Gyazo

The above link will prove it without me having to explain- but I will anyways to stave off anyone eager to call me out.

Now a great deal of you are not going to like everything I have to say, but I beg your forgiveness and understanding. As every prerework Morde main will agree, these past few months have been hell for us. We're frustrated and we want a change for the better of all. I really hope you will listen to my points before you judge me harshly.

When Riot changed Morde's W in patch 5.4 to give him the ability to cast W on himself an another allied unit- I saw the potential to play Morde bot. I talked to a few support mains and we made it happen. We faced a lot of ridicule in high Gold to mid Platinum but once I had a solid winstreak going people eventually stopped asking questions.

Now am I good at League of Legends? Heck no. I've played this game for 5 and a half years and my unhealthy obsession for Mordekaiser, (a champ that can't compete with all these overloaded kits new champions get) means that I will never reach a tier of play higher than Diamond 4 (and that's being optimistic)

Here's why I'm pissed off Riot.

**1- You said you're going to nerf Morde even more. **

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Honestly, it's often easier after worlds, since there's really clear consensus on what's strong (no one is going to suggest that a Gangplank nerf is coming out of nowhere). The much harder part is before world's, where we have to make some very difficult predictions about what we think will be strong, even if it's fighting player perception. Sometimes we do the pre-emptive nerfs correctly in 5.18, and the champion is strong but not out of control (Fiora), and sometimes we undershoot (Mordekaiser, Elise). We do our best, but we'll own up to our mistakes.

In Patch 5.18 you killed Mordekaiser. You removed metallic mastery and made his W ONLY deal DMG if his ally is right next to him. You gave W a health cost again and nerfed his healing from 33% on minions to 25% and reduced his total heal from 3 targets to 2. His W healing was the only thing allowing him to sustain in lane. If Morde does not take W lvl 1 then he cannot take krugs/gromp lvl 1 and he cannot use his exp passive in lane. On the flip side if he DOES take W- he can heal for 14 hp every 12 seconds against the minion wave, (assuming his opponents kite and stay away from him) and until he gets lvl 2 for his E he takes a TON of harass in the lane making his early game a living hell, especially if your support doesn't play correctly.

2- You're trying to change the lore of my FAVOURITE champion after you gutted his original kit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3osr8r/riot_is_changing_mordes_lore_from_master_of_metal/

**3- The only time you ever pay attention to my threads is when I'm praising you. When I have bad things to say I never hear from you. I had a post with nearly 500 upvotes telling you NOT to rework Morde cuz' I knew what was going to happen and you DIDN'T speak up to defend yourself or address any of our concerns. ** _http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nEUnVy2j-im-a-simple-man-ive-played-morde-since-his-release-feb-24-2010-hes-all-i-know _

Now allow me to elaborate on these frustrations:

1- WHY does Morde rek in LOW elo? Because people in that elo are there for any combination of 4 reasons:

  • They are new to the game and still need to learn and gain experience.
  • They refuse to grow as a player and do not bother to read what champs do or how a kit works. (I'm very guilty of this)
  • Theorycrafting is not much of a thing in lower elo, so no one bothers to examine why they are losing to this or that- they just want to complain about broken this and OP that. Did you know that 80% of player's don't know anything about Morde except his Q, drag pet and the exp passive? Despite my BEST efforts to educate people on how Morde works and how to counter him, low elo continues in their ignorance: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lQEdATNI-riot-i-used-to-be-a-mordekaiser-main-till-i-took-a-rework-to-the-knee
  • Player's in low ELO have attitude problems and babyrage/AFK/ragequit or get unreasonably toxic for no other reason than they feel neglected by the Jungler just trying to help his team.

Protip: The reason the majority of player's think Morde is OP is because the majority of player's are in LOW elo. (Where Morde has always performed best, both before and after the rework) I don't mean to be an *sshole here. So please do not misunderstand me.

Teemo : But King- don't you watch Worlds? Morde's on a 90% ban rate right now.

Mordekaiser : Ofcourse he is you insolent pup. Think about the potential that exp passive and dragon play has in ANY elo. If they can pull it off or abuse it with good rotations, and cheese strats, they can get a free win. Clement said it best: http://oddshot.tv/shot/riot-games-20151015172149965

Teemo : Doesn't that prove that Morde is OP?

Mordekaiser : What is the difference between solo queue and Worlds little one? Coordination, practice, shotcalling and organization. Riot has KILLED Morde's soloqueue potential in competitive play. His playstyle is all wrong. I cannot play a single game as Morde in ANY lane without being raged at for rushing item 3078 and dying cuz I'm squishy and don't get peels or rushing item 3116 and being raged at because I have no DMG. Let's not forget that while there are many counters to Morde bot, that may not be what's best for your team comp at the pro level of play. Also- while this has nothing to do with it- I've trusted very few pro's to know a damn thing about Morde. A year ago if you looked up Morde on probuilds.net you'd see people still building and rushing item 3145. As a Morde main I gave spellvamp in my itemization up years ago and never looked back. Climbed from silver to high plat with that change alone.

Teemo: So if Morde is banned in all elo's, is OP in Worlds and OP in low elo, why shouldn't he be nerfed or reworked?

Mordekaiser : 1. Morde is not OP- his potential is if his teammates are coordinated and his comp is solid, but Morde itself is a very slow champ who struggles against CC and takes too long to get his DMG out. No one wanted new Morde to work out more than I did. I even spent 12 hours remaking my stream overlays to include the Dragon theme: https://gyazo.com/2f81be8fcd95fb6a02983bc0c0afb4f1 2. I'd love to see a rework, God knows the forums have offered up very good ideas to properly balance Morde. Even my thread detailing how to counter Morde

Mordekaiser : Riot has always been faced with balancing champs for both the solo queue mentality and the pro scene: Do I intend to go pro? NO! All I want is to enjoy my hue in solo queue.

Teemo : Why do you think Morde is underpowered then?

Mordekaiser : I have played Morde top and mid- In top lane you could go regen bead, make a deal with your jungler for control of krugs/wovles for sustain (still 100% healing off W) while item 3748 rushing for both wave clear, tankyness and DMG. In Mid lane you're forced to rush item 3211 and sometimes go for item 3065 while farming raptors on the side for sustain/lvl adv. But against aggro lanes like Panth, Brand, Morde falls on his face because his kit can't compete.

YouTuber Requiemsvoid has been watching my stream these past few months and has seen first hand the frustration many Morde mains have been feeling: https://gyazo.com/68e60058e48465da916378d8ea32d433

Teemo : https://gyazo.com/50bda6bcaf144678d47ec7755d35f218

Mordekaiser : This is exactly what makes Mordkeiaser SO frustrating to main right now, take a champ like Yasuo or Katarina, if you build the team comp around them, they can flourish, but if they're bad you're comp might be in trouble. But on the other hand neither of these champs REQUIRE a comp to carry their games. Mordekaiser does.

Let me sum it up with a 20 minute video of a game I played. This is how someone who has NEVER played Morde does in lane when a Morde main supports them: (the guy trolled me intentionally in select and I killed him with love instead) (Can you imagine how this game might have gone if I didn't know anything about Morde either?)

If Lyte ends up seeing this he's gonna love 6:28-8:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGIpc876Akk

**2. Riot you're slowly destroying your Fanbase: **

Even if you think I'm bonkers and nothing I say will convince you how bad Morde is right now- you might just find you agree with me when I say I've missed the way Riot sued to run things. I remember a time when ANYONE could reach out to Riot for a question and get a response. Hell when thsi game was only 2 years old, you could even reach out to the PRESIDENT of Riot games!

Screenshot of a small conversation I got to have with Marc over Facebook: https://gyazo.com/53448d3fdbeff253c1b831da8cac44e4

Riot used to include lots of easter eggs. Remember how Graves and Nocturne were designed with specific interactions? Remember the flipp'n ninja and Scurvy pirate passives? Remember the white bowtie underneath MOrde's helmet? I can list on and on, but even a 5 and a half year League vetran doesn't know them all- what I do know is that Riot Games has been notorious for abandoning fanbases and I really want to see this stop. Use this thread to complain, make yourselves HEARD. Talk about what you MISS about league of legends. I miss having FUN with this game. Riot has slowly and surely been taking all of the funny things we love about the game away- soon there will be nothing that separates it from any other overgrown MMO.

I will conclude this thread with a story. People always ask me why I main Morde. I kept it a secret for the lul but now I'm going to tell ya.

Brace yourselves this is about to get REAL.

I grew up without running water until I was 17. Poor family. Really poor. I had an abusive home life and school was my favourite place in the world because it meant I could escape the abusive step father who said I'd never be something. I never got to go to friend's houses or explore my home town as I grew up in that claustrophobic mess. I was the first person in my family to graduate highschool in several generations.

I went off the college and had my first taste of independence. I saved up a little money and bought my first laptop. It was a run down Dell Inspiron 1501. This thing was so bad it overheated even with OLD school League on lowest settings. I remember using ice wrapped in layers of paper towels as a cooling pad in the middle of summer just to get through a game of league of Legends.

In fact League of Legends was my first MMO. It was my first chance to explore the wonderful world of gaming with others. I loved it very much. In my first few months playing league I did all the noob things we each remember, like saving gold in a game thinking it'd roll over for the next. :P

When I experienced my first Champion rotation, I had no idea what that was and logged in to find I had access to champs like Anivia, Bltiz and yes, Mordekaiser. I freaked out. I thought I was 'special' and my account had glitched to give me access to AWESOMMMMMME POOOOWER. (Hack was a popular anime/manga at this time)

I picked up Morde and thought- "Wow, this guy looks liek a badass. I'm gonna learn him."

Any Morde main will tell you his playstyle was addicting. The new Morde just doesn't have that.

I told you that backstory to help you understand what League of Legends means to me. I love this game. I want it to last as long as possible, if anything I'd like to see it continue to grow.

I'm sorry for the long post. I'll include a picture of bowtie Morde to make up for it.

https://gyazo.com/53ac22e98574e3250472adaa5e4e3293 (it wouldn't let me attach a file ;-;)

http://www.twitch.tv/thekingofelohell (I noticed several hundred views while I'm offline and it makes me sad that only a handful of people follow, the point of this thread is for Morde, but if you click my stream- it'd help me out a lot if you'd click follow too! I'm trying to hit 100,000 views and 2,000 follows by day 365!) https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-King-of-Elohell/820121808077262 https://twitter.com/KingofEloHell https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC59w0Pb3YMcd29fYaVmoTxA

90 Comments

ReQnosis47 votes

Honestly, I don't understand why Riot can't just admit they screwed up. *It makes me think CertainlyT has a gun to their heads or something. o.O

Anywho, though your post is long, it's still a good read. +1

Sidenote: My own thoughts on Morde ~ http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lfY1iewk-morde-is-leagues-newest-class-the-generic-deathknight

Romans VI XXIII38 votes

CertianlyTrash will never admit he is wrong, hell he cant even come out and talk to the community he has to have OTHER RIOTers come do it for him.

Mordepool4 votes

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CertianlyTrash will never admit he is wrong, hell he cant even come out and talk to the community he has to have OTHER RIOTers come do it for him.

He already did apologize. Actually

ReQnosis9 votes

When stating something like that, it always helps to have a citation/reference link.

Taigongwang6 votes

His ONLY comment on the matter was a VERY loose apology, followed by attempting to shift the blame onto the PBE testers instead of himself. It was like reading a speech from a god damned dictator or a five year old kid on a power high. That response was HORRIBLE and immature on multiple levels.

TheKingofEloHell1 votes

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He already did apologize. Actually

Link pls

Mordepool1 votes

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Link pls

Dude sry I can't seem to find it. Came out like a month ago

Malicious Metal29 votes

The lack of riot responses is disturbing to say the least. It feels like they're deliberately trying to sweep morde and his fanbase under the rug and be done with it.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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The lack of riot responses is disturbing to say the least. It feels like they're deliberately trying to sweep morde and his fanbase under the rug and be done with it.

They don't intend to change the core gameplay of the champion. The rework team is busy with Poppy, Taric and Shen atm. Stopping those projects, two of which have been anticipated forever, to do more work on Mordekaiser would be much much worse for their image with players than just leaving Morde as is.

They can't revert the rework, the VU aspect was very taxing and took a lot of effort. The more skins a champ has the longer it takes to do a VU and Morde has 5 skins including his base.

But they can't continue reworking because people have been hyped for Poppy and Taric since LITERALLY the Sion release, and Poppy actually allowed Unicorns of Love to qualify for the EU LCS. Her kit is dangerous and has the potential to be abused even at Challenger.

So Morde is the Gameplay Team's problem now. They can't do anything but tweak numbers.

Kaeblen1 votes

Actually, the marksman update, and therefore Caitlin's update, still seems to take precedence over Poppy, as it's scheduled first.

You do make a good point though in that Morde really isn't going to get the changes he needs from the Gameplay team-->all they can do is tweak numbers, and that's not the real problem with him.

Still, Isn't Riot classifying Morde as an adc-role champion? He doesn't behave as an adc does, but is forced to lane in the same place. Wouldn't it make sense to throw him back to the rework squad and release new changes alongside the Marksmen?

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Actually, the marksman update, and therefore Caitlin's update, still seems to take precedence over Poppy, as it's scheduled first.

You do make a good point though in that Morde really isn't going to get the changes he needs from the Gameplay team-->all they can do is tweak numbers, and that's not the real problem with him.

Still, Isn't Riot classifying Morde as an adc-role champion? He doesn't behave as an adc does, but is forced to lane in the same place. Wouldn't it make sense to throw him back to the rework squad and release new changes alongside the Marksmen?

No. Mordekaiser isn't a marksman. That's like saying "Zed, Yasuo and Talon all go mid, they should have received updates alongside the AP item update".

The changes to marksmen are likely minimal with a larger focus on itemization, and Morde doesn't build any of those items.

Kaeblen1 votes

What would you say is the likelihood of Caitlin's gameplay update being released at the same time as the marksman update?

Still, Isn't Riot classifying Morde as an adc-role champion? He doesn't behave as an adc does, but is forced to lane in the same place. Wouldn't it make sense to throw him back to the rework squad and release new changes alongside the Marksmen?

The point here really wasn't to make claims about what type of champion Morde really is. You missed/ignored that detail. (I'm guessing that you did so simply because you want the Poppy update asap). The Point was to assert, from a public relations standpoint, that the marksman update--including all of the item changes, and mini-updates for champions and other things--would make for a decent, and potentially popular, excuse to re-visit Mordekaiser.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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What would you say is the likelihood of Caitlin's gameplay update being released at the same time as the marksman update?

Pretty likely since from what I hear it's smaller than Quinn's.

The point here really wasn't to make claims about what type of champion Morde really is. You missed/ignored that detail. (I'm guessing that you did so simply because you want the Poppy update asap). The Point was to assert, from a public relations standpoint, that the marksman update--including all of the item changes, and mini-updates for champions and other things--would make for a decent, and potentially popular, excuse to re-visit Mordekaiser.

Except Riot has no idea what to do with Mordekaiser now. They've been planning this marksmen update since 5.4, most likely. Mordekaiser, if he is going to be changed (and I don't think he will) would need a full scale rework. That means new animations and new abilities, so another nine months or so minimum, but Shen and Poppy and Taric are all first.

ModAttysu The Poro22 votes

I'ma be real, I never really gave a shit about Mordekaiser.

RIOT, THIS WAS NOT THE WAY TO GET US TO NOTICE HIM. FIX THIS SHIT.

Thank you.

Mortekaiser17 votes

old morde was a reliable pick for me whenever the going was rough. I could do well in lane and I climbed the ranks with my reliable pick.

I can tell you with no uncertainty that the new morde rework doesn't change the game in any positive way. he's now even harder to balance. if morde doesn't completely dominate lane, he is utterly fucking useless. with old morde, I could tell you how to build when ahead, when even, and when behind. with this new morde, he has no solid choices for when behind, and trinity force is such an expensive item for being only somewhat above average as an item that it sets him back further.

"wow morte, do you just want this game to stagnate???? omfggg!!!!!" no. old morde was fucking fine. did you see people either banning morde or picking him like crazy? no, because he was a niche pick. the mains who played him did well with him. have you played against mains of other champs like galio, or malzahar? I've played against them, and those champs are much scarier than old morde ever was. but morde had his purposes and did well against meta champs. there are plenty of champions that deserve a rework much more than morde did, and morde deserved a total rework over such a lukewarm and toxic mess you now see terrorizing your games by either being an unstoppable menace or feeding 0/8

this new rework alienated nearly every morde main in existence because it alters morde's playstyle so completely that he's just another champion. the rework failed, and reworks like it will continue to fail as long as feedback that the community offers is ignored

Yormaughm7 votes

Yes, this is exactly it.

Riot has been trying for years to eliminate this type of binary "snowbally" playstyle. And that's literally 100% of what Morde is now. It makes negative amounts of sense, and they need to just say "we done goofed" and revert the changes. Instead we got this convoluted thread where CertainlyT was like "y'all did stuff with Morde that I didn't anticipate" which roughly translates to "it's not my fault you can't read my mind."

Riot needs to learn the players determine how the game is played and not the other way around. It's a difficult thing to swallow I'm sure, but as King pointed out, they're beginning to forget this and it's starting to look like a different company and a different game and it's affecting long-time players negatively.

General Esdeath 10 votes

YOU'RE THE CAUSE OF THIS? I'M GONNA HUNT YOU DOWN AND FIND WHERE YOU LIVE! AND ONCE I DO, I'M GONNA SHAKE MY HEAD AT YOU IN PERSON!

Brascus9 votes

Read the whole thing 1+

RyzeRework9 votes

This is the best argument I've seen against the morde rework everyone is like oh he's soo op with no other reason then adcs going melee form and getting that 3rd q hit on them

Keashqa5 votes

Bump... Uh, #SaveMorde / #RevertMorde ? :3

Dark Star Cho5 votes

If the juggernaut reworks have proven anything it is a need to spend longer on reworks. Sion, although the one-tricks were a bit salty was undeniably a great rework.

Mord however is overly reliant on his team members, completely got forced into another role, got his lore slaughtered, and no meaningful visual update to go with a new lore.

I love riot has been trying new mechanics (ashe crit removal was a good example) but it is missing the mark greatly on mord. The current version of Mord can be fixed with small tweaks in my opinion, he will get nerfed into the icebox and hopefully join the sion level rework cycle post poppy and taric ( and hopefully regain his former glory as the lord or the rift)

3TWarrior1 votes

ashe was a great idea, but at the same time, her critical damage is obnoxiously low...by the time level 7 hits, your opponents will outdamage, outburst and out-utility a champion designed solely for her utility...

at this point, she would make a better support than an ADC

Archon X3 votes

your match history doesn't mean much when you are in gold with a 50% wr with morde over 750 games. Maybe try some new champs and you can climb?

TheKingofEloHell16 votes

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your match history doesn't mean much when you are in gold with a 50% wr with morde over 750 games. Maybe try some new champs and you can climb?

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/59748216#ranked-stats http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20979024#ranked-stats http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/70359318#ranked-stats http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/71192647#ranked-stats

I rest my case.

Wind Whistler1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTuNEq9Q,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-10-17T08:05:23.489+0000)

your match history doesn't mean much when you are in gold with a 50% wr with morde over 750 games. Maybe try some new champs and you can climb?

I'm guessing you didn't read the whole thing. He's a dedicated Mordekaiser main. Saying what you said is probably one of the most disrespectful things you can say to him.

Archon X1 votes

he posted a picture of his ranked stats, it's relevant

Cyrex Wingblade3 votes

Still means you didn't actually /read/ the post. You locked onto 'lol, low elo player is talking, nub'. We have no reason to pay attention to your point in this thread, because it's simply off-topic.

notawinner3 votes

I personally don't play/used to play morde, but upvoted cause I don't want this done to any of my champs

BuyMeSkinsPls3 votes

I love your post, but it's becoming pretty clear to me that Riot doesn't give a shit what the community thinks about any of their reworks. It's really sad

Chicken4dinner2 votes

I like the rework, I mean people say morde is ruined but before the rework I used to regard him like I did yorick or poopy. Why would they care when people never EVER had any regard for him in his older state (not including mains, I understand what it is like to lose the identity of a champ you love). This rework kind of fleshes out his identity a bit more then just a lane pushing, ad carry soulstealing kha-zix mage... He now builds tri force.

Jokes aside his brutal damage countered by his lack of mobility is extremely fun gameplay when figuring out how you are gong to be useful to the team (how you are gong to deal damage, do you ult their vi and shut her down to save your carry and punch through them or do you leave ult for drag and dive their botlaners with q), I just don't understand why he has to be an adc to do it, since you need a ranged carry anyway or your team is gong to have to build around you. Also referring back to my joke his build path is quite limited, every game crystal sceptre and it's ugly build path must be rushed and then either tri or streaks. Of course they are not the only thing he possibly could build, but they are the best and he really has no situational items aside from banshees. Also even though his current name is slightly lame, don't rename him to lord of death.

I don't need to drone out another Draven: The other axe man joke to make this any more clear :3.

Peese

Baron of Bread3 votes

Jokes aside his brutal damage countered by his lack of mobility is extremely fun gameplay when figuring out how you are gong to be useful to the team

Just tossing this out there, but that is an accurate description of old Mordekaiser's play as well.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Just tossing this out there, but that is an accurate description of old Mordekaiser's play as well.

Not really. Old Mordekaiser kind of just shoved lanes relentlessly and got ridiculous farm while being unkillable without a gank. (not healthy game mechanics, because ganking is only one of three strategies for junglers).

Baron of Bread1 votes

Split pushing is a reasonable strategy. Of course, it isn't really available to new Morde since his wave clear is trash without his babysitter.

Split pushing is also not mutually exclusive with damage and lack of mobility. But it is with teamfighting, which is a thing that Mordekaiser excelled at because of his AoE damage. There was still decision making for old Mordekaiser, it was just more variable.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Split pushing is a reasonable strategy. Of course, it isn't really available to new Morde since his wave clear is trash without his babysitter.

Split pushing is also not mutually exclusive with damage and lack of mobility. But it is with teamfighting, which is a thing that Mordekaiser excelled at because of his AoE damage. There was still decision making for old Mordekaiser, it was just more variable.

I didn't say split pushing. Old Morde didn't split push, he sat mid and forced the wave to tower every chance he got, using his ult as a health potion to ignore any harass.

You wanted to roam? Lose two mid turrets. Need to back? Better have teleport because your jungler won't clear the wave fast enough.

Old Mordekaiser's strategy was similar to Heimerdingers. You push and you push and you either completely shut any form of mobility or map advantage your mid laner has down, or you win the game off two kills the enemy mid spent three minutes getting in bot while you grabbed inhib.

Old Morde was pretty horrible to play against. New Morde is worse, but old Morde needed a rework.

Baron of Bread1 votes

It's almost like he was a counterpick to assassins and other champs with weak wave clear.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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It's almost like he was a counterpick to assassins and other champs with weak wave clear.

Yes, and heavy wave clear in mid lane is never healthy, because mid lane is the defining meta lane. It's the lane where more team fights happen, it's the lane where you can get more vision if you shove, and it's the lane where you can easily rotate for either baron or dragon after a fight.

Losing towers quickly in mid limits your options for the rest of the game and can quickly spiral into a losing situation.

Xerath had lots of wave clear. He got nerfed. Ziggs could siege towers easily. Nerfed. Mordekaiser's entire kit was about shoving mid. Reworked into an ADC. That should tell you something about Riot's position on shoving mid.

Baron of Bread1 votes

Then why is TF fine with his infinite wave clear? Or Anivia? Or Viktor? Or Azir? Or Karthus? Or Kog'Maw? Or Lissandra? Or Malzahar? Or Orianna? Or Varus?

There are ton of people who are very good at pushing mid that haven't had it nerfed. The meta for mid lane is heavily affected by who wave clears best. I don't think that non-interactive wave clear is a focus of Riot.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Then why is TF fine with his infinite wave clear? Or Anivia? Or Viktor? Or Azir? Or Karthus? Or Kog'Maw? Or Lissandra? Or Malzahar? Or Orianna? Or Varus?

There are ton of people who are very good at pushing mid that haven't had it nerfed. The meta for mid lane is heavily affected by who wave clears best. I don't think that non-interactive wave clear is a focus of Riot.

All of those champions except Azir and Viktor are murdered by assassins, and Azir and Viktor have both been nerfed this year.

Mordekaiser is a brick wall with no mana costs. That's why he's a bigger problem.

Baron of Bread1 votes

Malzahar murders assassins.

Mordekaiser was weak to all of those champions I listed by the way. Yes, he beat assassins like a drum but other mages with wave clear and range had no problem with him.

A brick wall is a decent analogy for Mordekaiser. It gives a good idea as to his mobility, which could easily be taken advantage of if he did try to take an objective. Just send some bogeys to kill him when he walks too far forward to cs after you hold the wave under your turret for a bit.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Baron of Bread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTuNEq9Q,comment-id=000a000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-19T23:40:32.598+0000)

Malzahar murders assassins.

Mordekaiser was weak to all of those champions I listed by the way. Yes, he beat assassins like a drum but other mages with wave clear and range had no problem with him.

A brick wall is a decent analogy for Mordekaiser. It gives a good idea as to his mobility, which could easily be taken advantage of if he did try to take an objective. Just send some bogeys to kill him when he walks too far forward to cs after you hold the wave under your turret for a bit.

Yes, but that's all pretty much irrelevant now, since he's been reworked into a completely different champion.

Better to focus on how to fix the new Morde than argue in defense of the old one.

NewMk2 votes

no one cares

TheKingofEloHell1 votes

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NewMk1 votes

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Burn in elohell EU trash

Nice teams you got at worlds.

NOPE

TheKingofEloHell12 votes

{quoted}

Nice teams you got at worlds.

NOPE

You missed the point pleb. I'm calling you EU Trash. Because you give EU players a bad name with your ignorant comments

NewMk1 votes

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You missed the point pleb. I'm calling you EU Trash. Because you give EU players a bad name with your ignorant comments

Can't hear you over the sound of fnatic beating a team that every na team would lose to

TheKingofEloHell2 votes

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Can't hear you over the sound of fnatic beating a team that every na team would lose to

But EDG is going to win kappa

Malicious Metal6 votes

Don't bother arguing, won't help at all :P

Wind Whistler1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTuNEq9Q,comment-id=000c000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-17T16:00:06.788+0000)

Don't bother arguing, won't help at all :P

Nice to see you here again, I read one of your posts about the Mordekaiser rework, and how you're a dedicated main of him and everything. Then I noticed you and TheKingofEloHell's icons were of Mordekaiser's helmet. How and when did you get that?

Malicious Metal3 votes

We got it from the Pentakill event for free if you played with a Pentakill skin during the promotion. Nowadays it's bought with 250 rp if I recall correctly.

Silverthane2 votes

Wow your post is something i competently agree with as a fellow morde main not only that you said in such a detailed and respectful way. I truly respect you for that because not many can a make a post like this. This wasnt just a complaint about a character but of how it affects the people who LOVE said character.

I really hope we can get a response from Riot but honestly this game has changed so much. i wasn't around for that long but i remember in the old boards how often i would see Rioters post and engage on some topics even if the people there were being toxic. I really hate they sold themselves out to tencent. Wish this game could go back to the way it used to.

Morde means a lot to me because he was the first champion i played well and loved to play. Im not very good at jungling, Top, or even Mid but morde was always my comfort pick for mid lane and remains mostly to this day being my only pick outside of supports. I only play morde and supports and well morde being my only good champion in mid lane makes him very special to me. now i cant even play him there and it makes me really sad.

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