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I'm a simple man. I've played Morde since his release: Feb 24, 2010. He's all I know.

TheKingofEloHell··544 votes·48,932 views

EDIT: We're going to try a new thread guys- hope you can share your thoughts.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/pywLgTL1-playing-new-mordekaiser-for-the-first-time-seeking-guidanceadvice-from-the-community

I -Intro II- Morde Mid with Smite III- Morde Bottom with a Support IV- My thoughts on the 5.16 patch incoming rework for Morde (base stats) V- My thoughts on the 5.16 patch incoming rework for Morde (New KIT) VI- Call to Action VII- JoSungtv's accusations

EDIT: Celebrity appearances I'm hoping for:

-CertainlyT--- You have my respect for being able to do what you love- and I will not downvote you if you'll only come and discuss what few of my points are valid. (Like problems with Morde pet) I'd really like to see you here. I had the pleasure of speaking with Morello back in Season 2 when HE broke Morde's back with the nerf bat. While we agreed to disagree- I walked away with a better understanding.

-Fear the Mace- The world's best Morde player. Being an NA player- I've NEVER gotten to talk to him. Since the boards allow all players to interact- I really wanna meet him :3

I -Intro I can't pretend to be writing to an audience of like minded people.

Mordekaiser sucks. No engage. No escape. No CC of any kind.

As such no one really wanted to pick him up. Everyone dreams of the LCS and getting good enough to compete at the 'next level'.

I respect that. But I'm different. I dedicated my time to learning Mordekaiser inside and out.

In fact I bet you didn't know that 3 of Morde's skins have a hidden white bowtie under the helmet- visible only while emoting. (see attached picture below)

As a Morde main I've had to adapt every season when Riot changed things:

  1. New ADC's all come with built in escapes
  2. ALL Junglers can slow me for FREE with smite (meaning they do not need to land a skill shot)
  3. Riot's taken items away that made my life easier: -FON (Force of Nature) -DFG (Deathfire Grasp) -Selfish side note to bring back Leviathan so Taric support can get his swag on again. Taric item 3070

I had to adapt.

I looked for new ways to play Morde and looked at EVERY new patch with an open mind as a way to rethink my strategies.

II- Morde Mid with Smite When Luden's Echo was released I was the first to realize Smite Proc's Ludens. (This was months before Mid Ezreal or the change to Magus/Runeglaive)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_OtKgd-meE

So I thought. And thought. How can I use this? What is Morde weak against? Junglers. So I made my goal to fck the Jungler before he could fck me.

Shove wave lvl 1 and 2 (Mid).

Drop ward on their red/blue lvl 2.

Come back to lane in time for 3rd wave. Smite enemy cannon and shove enemy mid laner to turret- faced with the decision to stop you from stealing enemy buff- or secure HIS lvl 3 with cannon. Either way I come out on top provided I play it smart and don't get myself killed by overstaying.

Teemo "wtf morde with smite, ill sh*t bricks if this works" Mordekaiser " https://gyazo.com/b1c0835c56d64f340a76086014af2e59 "

By playing Morde mid with smite I found I could power farm between waves on either side of the jungle- outleveling mid and more importantly- the enemy jungler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHbe_2GsTU

I found a viable strat with Morde mid with smite. Especially when they took away my magus and buffed both Ryalis and Liandry. Helloooooooo late game Cinderhulk.item 3717Mordekaiser item 3709

But why stop there? Morde mid is still weak to camps. Nothing stings worse than directly countering enemy mid- but having to squat under my tower like the b*tch Riot's forced Morde into being because of a SHACO jungler.Shaco summoner 14 > Mordekaiser FLASH

III- Morde Bottom with a Support So when Riot finally gave Morde some buffs Feb 25, 2015- (happy 5th birthday Morde!) I decided to try Morde bottom.

I've tried it with several different comps and found Morde works BEST with: -Leona (1st) http://gyazo.com/e56d3237727974ca02a3364a6fdd4b59 -Thresh (2nd) https://gyazo.com/ebdf7123d9b1e5dafdb3c1eaca0c82b1 -Alistair/Nautilus (3rd) Didn't screen cap these games- Leona and Thresh far better.

IV- My thoughts on the 5.16 patch incoming rework for Morde (BASE stats) SO. When I heard just last week that Riot was acknowledging Morde bot is a thing- I was VERY happy. Hell they even threw in a Dragon pet. Kappa.

But then I saw this: (PBE Patch notes for Morde)

https://gyazo.com/5a5b3b6b77a053fb56d0179800947fb5

Let me stop you right there.

I know Morde mmmmmmmkay? He's mah boi. Stuck with him no matter what. Thick n' thin. Played him every way you can imagine.

You expect me to start playing Hybrid Morde? With no escape? You expect me to get off THREE auto attacks to win a trade? With what atk speed again? Oh let me guess- are you expecting this build?

item 3124 item 3146 item 3116 item 3157 item 3111 item 3065 ???????????????

  1. Cuz with Morde as you've made him- I'm going to need CDR (You nerfed the cooldowns on a champ that only survives by keeping his shield up through the casting of spells)

  2. Apparently you expect me to start building spellvamp again- and I gotta be honest- spellvamp is sh*t. I don't have CC. If I don't get a peel and they catch me with ANY CC- I'm dead before I can cast anything to USE spellvamp.

(This is literally the most viable build I can think of. After 3 dragons I can see myself selling off the boots for Liandries or Scimitar (Qss + AD) or maybe even Banshee.)

Change isn't always bad- but let's examine some other issues.

You've nerfed my movement speed you sons of b*tches. REALLY? I'm the ONE guy in the game who can't escape ganks unless I flash and you're going to make me SLOWER? REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY?

Sorry. I need a moment.

/dies internally

V- My thoughts on the 5.16 patch incoming rework for Morde (New KIT) All that aside let's quickly examine the new Morde kit: Passive: Shield decay per second now 2% of base hp (up from 3% max shield) Shield no longer decays below 25% Max shield from per level to 25% of max HP Shield generation is now 25% of damage dealt, from 35%

I have to have more damage to generate my normal amount of shield- however my MAX shield is reliant on MAX HP. I won't complain about this till I've seen it in action. But let's make a note that I'm cynical about it.

Q: Now buffs Mordekaisers next 3 attacks. Each does 2x-3x the last, increasing with spell rank (e.g., if the first hit deals 100 damage, the third deals 900). W: Reworked New passive: Mordekaiser receives full experience from any lane minion he kills New active -- Harvesters of Sorrow: Mordekaiser and target ally champion gain 75 MS while moving toward one another. When close to one another, both deal magic damage to nearby enemies over 4 seconds. Ability can be reactivated to instantly deal ~40% of the total DoT and heal Mordekaiser and his ally for the damage dealt (heal takes 3 units maximum; 33% heal to minions) Health cost removed.

So let's get this straight. I have to land THREE auto attacks in the span of seconds with LESS movement speed? I think you might be picking on me specifically. New Passive- Full EXP!? Sht like this makes me paranoid AF that I'll never get to pick Morde again simply cuz soloque wants to first time him in ranked/ban him. I like it- but it might be too good. Potential heal? Again. Too good. Give me back my distance AOE damage- how the fck can I farm at a safe distance in a bad lane if I can't W my creep wave? I'm beginning to take this personally. I DON'T WANT TO BE A SUPPORT. FCK YOU. I'M ES NUMERO UNO._ Not a support._

E: Base damage reduced from 70/115/160/205/250 >>> 35/65/95/125/155 Now also scales with 0.6 total AD Cooldown from 6 >>>> 6/5.75/5.5/5.25/5 Now grants 15% of maximum shield on champion hits

I maxed Q in solo lanes and maxed E in duo lanes. This change is disgusting. You're expecting Morde's to rush Gunblade. MORDE does not need SPELLVAMP. I really don't get why people still build it on him. You're gimping your carry potential with sh*tty overpriced items. Having the slow early game, (assuming you're able to get the gold you need) will HELP you land the 3 aa's you need for Q- but Luden is SO much better for Morde. As is Rylais. _R: Added: Passive -- Dragon Force: Dealing damage to the Dragon curses it. If Mordekaiser’s team kills a cursed target, Mordekaiser gets a ghost of that target. Ghost Duration up from 30 >>> 45/60/75 _

While I like the added ghost duration (it will make people more responsible with their pets)- I'd much rather you fix the way the Ai works- example: it's well known to Morde players that Azir does not obey the micro commands and just attacks w/e you attack- which by the way is awful- I can't tell you how many times I micro my pet to X location and then I try to attack a minion and my ghost waddles back to me like a dumb*ss. Additionally there are some cases where Morde pet does not generate when the first half of your ult (the burst that's done initially) kills the opponent. It's because the DoT isn't registering the instant you curse and so you only get the kill- but not the pet- and now you don't have an ult for 50-90 seconds.

I am ALSO worried about what happens if during dragon secure I ult and kill an enemy player but then my team gets dragon. Do I not get Dragon? Does my ghost die so drag can take it's place? Am I going to be discouraged from using my ult to secure Dragon simply because we want the Drag pet? While I love the concept of being a Dragon Master- Especially with the Dragon Knight Morde skin- (I'm even having a new overlay for my stream made for it as we speak)(see attached picture below)

I'm not sure you guys thought this through. I feel like you've been wanting to make Morde into a bruiser for so long that you're just going to do what you want to him and say 'here's a Dragon to distract you from all the problems we've ignored'.

Well it didn't work and you're breaking my Hueart.

I've mained bot Morde. I know its weaknesses and strengths. I do not need a source of AD damage. Their adc is OUR adc. That's the way it's always been. Please hear what I've said and think of a compromise.

EDIT: ~~I know you do not need to ult Dragon. And my distaste for the AD ratio is because riot is rewarding bad builds on Morde and punishing the best builds. ~~

This logic is disturbing, he is being changed entirely, he can't be changed to encourage a bad build, he can only be changed to have new good builds, nor can they somehow punish him for picking the "Best builds" since they obviously aren't the best anymore.

_I will admit I was in a rush when I typed out the ending and did not fully explain myself here.

There's a reason i gave up spellvamp. It's not efficient.

1200 gold for 40 ap- and something that is only useful during the lane phase. That is how I feel about items like triforce. Sure their pretty. Insane damage- cuz yeah I've trolled at LEAST 800 games as Morde with silly builds and trying new stuff. Triforce is a favourite item of mine- but it's NOT efficient. Every AP Item I buy coems with a defensive stat, a unique active OR an easily used passive. Triforce on morde give me attack speed and movement speed and honestly the only bit that's truly useful is the sheen proc and the phage proc. But these things will not save morde- only help him be aggressive- and in solo que- that's not how you build Morde. If you go into a purely offensive item- you're most likely going to get focused in the team fight. You rush Luden, Ryalis OR Hourglass on Morde for suitability. Spending all of your lane phases hard earned gold (the only time new Morde has the advantage on something with only offensive attributes is going to end badly for you versus any team with a brain. I'm dead serious here._

VI- Call to Action To everyone that read this post in its entirity- I thank you. Leave a comment. Upvote the thread. Downvote it. Whatever tickles your fancy- but more than anything- please share it with your friends. No. Don't just skim over that last bit. Literally take your cursor, copy the following link;

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nEUnVy2j-im-a-simple-man-ive-played-morde-since-his-release-feb-24-2010-hes-all-i-know

and paste it to all of your friends in League. Please. I have tons of things better to do after a 9 hour shift then write about a champ you all hate anyways. I'm just trying to save my guy you know?

Thanks for hearing me out,

-The King

http://www.twitch.tv/thekingofelohell https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-King-of-Elohell/820121808077262 https://twitter.com/KingofEloHell https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC59w0Pb3YMcd29fYaVmoTxA

VII- JoSungtv's accusations

Someone named Shadows played league with me a lot 2-3 years ago. He's some kid from Canada. He approached me once after hearing I was looking to buy a lvl 30 (elo unimportant) and said he was really strapped for cash and needed to pay rent because they cut his hours at wherever he worked. He offered to sell me what he claimed was his own account, a Diamond 2. I paid him half and sent the rest of his money in increments. I remember him being really anal about not getting it all in one sum- but I told him that's the best I can do.

After playing on the account for 5 months ish- I lost access to the account. Shadows had taken the account back after I paid him off. I got scammed and to be honest I had it coming for trusting someone on the internet and breaking Riot's rule of buying accounts. I thought I was doing a friend who couldn't continue playing league a favor- and getting a cool account with some decent skins to boot.

I got rekt and didn't think another thing about it until recently when JoSungtv posted this:

https://gyazo.com/d78a9ee174b97bf9ec7bf8afb1b5dc8c

I have nothing to hide and I'm really impressed he made his voice heard over all of the other comments- just goes to show you that Reddit is pretty amazing.

However I am fairly sure this guy is either shadows himself or sold his account to shadows- Diamond players do not usually hand out account info to just anybody.

As far as his accusation goes about stealing/hacking his account- this is just not true. If anything else- I sort of hate that we derailed the reddit post to the point I had to take it down. _(I was not even home- at work- and couldn't defend myself while his accusation sank the ship I sailed) _

But it's fine. I'm not used to this kind of attention (good or bad) and it's taught me not to leave my dirty laundry out to dry hahah.

Anyways to conclude this thread- I really appreciate everyone's AMAZING support on the stream. I really did not expect such positive and constructive feedback. I learned a lot I hadn't known about Morde and I really hope I can improve as a player in result.

298 Comments

AtheosisX117 votes

CertainlyT knows better than you because, well, he's CertainlyT and you're just some dude who's actually played Morde a crap ton. Playing champs is for the peasants. ;)

TheKingofEloHell66 votes

I see what you did there

Squidblimp8 votes

I don't know if these changes are good or bad, and I don't play Morde. However, just want to say that they're not trying to make Morde a support, they're making him an ADC replacement.

maikokk9 votes

ya, we know. unfortunately he would make a better support with this kit (which says a lot about how viable he will be as a bot carry)

Mecha MaIphite6 votes

He has 0 CC.

maikokk12 votes

obv he makes a bad support, he will just be a worse carry.

junglerboy162 votes

Then you watch actual gameplay of him where he has guaranteed kills at 6 and half-lifes champs with Q.

Yeah there are a lot of issues with the rework, but not being strong carry isn't one of them.

Orbv9 votes

His base damage on the first Q is worse than present, the second Q is a bit better than existing, and the third is the huge burst. That's a lot of prep for someone who just lost Attack Speed Scaling.

How does he freeze a lane?...He has to go in melee to last hit. He gets poked by ranged champions and his poke damage was reduced by 50% (75% if you include that Q no longer is AoE). His laning will be miserable. The only supports he could be used with are Leona Blitzcrank Thresh Nautilus because he has nerfed movement speed as well.

He will never work as an ADC replacement unless Varus Corki Ezreal are used mid

junglerboy165 votes

You all need to stop saying "X will be this way" unless you've actually played it.

Just look up any of the gameplay videos about his new kit on YouTube and you'll see that what you're saying simply isn't true. He has no trouble getting to people with a normal build (or sticking to them), deals insane damage, and is still very tanky. Plus his ghosts are way more reliable since they last a really, really long time and still do a ton of damage (which helps his shield a lot). His lane sustain is great, he can still push lane very well, and he can all in at 6 without fail. Yes, you may want a solo lane ADC/AD assassin threat on your team for a better balance of physical and magic damage, but their ADC is your ADC (the Dragon is also your ADC too).

E's damage actually got buffed pretty substantially since you max W first (excellent wave clear and sustain) now anyway. E now deals 35 / 65 / 95 / 125 / 155 (+60% AD) (+60% AP) from 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+60% AP). Morde has between 63 and 148 AD with the PBE changes, so at level one he is actually dealing slightly more (71-72 (+60% AP)), and now it scales efficiently without needing to put levels into it. also, at level 18, it deals slightly less at 243 (+60% AP), but also scales better with items like gunblade, trinity force, etc.

Morde also received a substantial buff to his AA range (now 200 up from 125) which makes melee last hits much easier, not to mention his ease in pushing and wave clearing with abilities. His sustain is also so impressive right now (between his shield and a pretty massive heal on W) that poke simply doesn't stick to him, while he can poke any ADC trying to last hit with AAs using E, and auto win any trade that causes because of E's bonus shield vs champions.

Also, he doesn't really have any trouble not pushing the lane now since Q is single target, allowing him to stack his shield off creeps without hard pushing the lane. He's better at not pushing the wave than someone like Tristana, and although she can because she is good at self peel, Morde can also afford to push whenever because he is always at a level advantage and has enough damage that he prefers when the enemies come to him to make getting kills easier.

Speculation only carries your argument so far, and the evidence just doesn't back you up.

Orbv7 votes

You must be one of the people who looks at videos like these and think that Mordekaiser is a God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UdoFkXxdTQ

First off, I never said that he's not getting stronger, they have buffed him 3 times SINCE his announcement because he had horrible numbers from the get go. I said that he will never replace an ADC. Here is why:

Do you understand what you've listed? You are saying that Morde should be buying TRINITY FORCE, etc?..........What? Gunblade, yes that has always been an option, but he's always been an AP bruiser, why would anyone who likes morde WANT to buy Trinity force? He doesn't crit well, his AS is bad so Zeal's % AS is among one of the worst it can be on any champion, and there's mana...

"Their ADC is your ADC"....it is so hard to take you seriously when you say this. If Sivir is in Botlane, and you have your top laner pushing another lane, who is the consistent damage of your next 4v4 team fight?.....you don't have one. You can't take a turret without one. Gameplay should NEVER depend solely on your enemy. And if you're against a Caitlin, Tristana, Sivir, Jinx....you will never get your ult on them. So no, that isn't dependable. Morde can push a wave, but he cannot take a turret while the enemy has waveclear as well, which is the meta trend. (Also anyone notice how the meta presently is poke and waveclear again?...I guess nobody told Riot before they updated a poke-susceptible champion).

Yes, he finally has a heal, contingent on having an ally, if your support dies, you have no heal. If you go solo lane or jungle, you have no heal.

Also you're reasoning for why he does well is not a good argument either. Look at the video I posted, what do you see as the glaring issue the entire first half of the video? His lane is pushed...the entire time. If he wants to heal, he pushes. If he wants to poke, he pushes. There is no jungler interference, and his team is dominating the entire map without him, OF COURSE he's going to do well when dragon is left unattended. The PBE is a joke. I play on it, so stop assuming it's speculation. I've seen horrible players make him look far better than he is.

He is up against a draven and even with Annie's stuns, cannot reach him to AA. He literally must rely on the enemy ADC to walk closer to him for him to hit him. Every choice is contingent on having flash up or the CC of both Rammus AND Annie. The enemy is playing braindead for the majority of this video, and many videos on Youtube are exactly the same.

TLDR: He will NEVER replace an ADC, he is and always will be a bruiser who specializes in pushing waves.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

He will never work as an ADC replacement unless Varus Corki Ezreal are used mid

I have literally seen all three of those champions go mid.

Orbv6 votes

I chose the three ADC that best fit mid, I wasn't trying to create an unreasonable scenario.

O77gnJVH5u9 votes

[–]joSungtv 320 points 4 hours ago* THIS MAN IS A THIEF This guy hacked or bought my League Account from a friend and changed the name to KingofEloHeaven. My account was D1 and then he tanked it to Plat 5 trying to prove to himself he was a Morde god. He changed the account name to "KingofEloHeaven" after he took control of my account. I have proof of him typing that to me on stream. Screw you man. You went 36-60 on Morde last season... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/44876363#ranked-stats SEARCH LOLKING KINGOFELOHEAVEN AND YOU GET THIS RESULT. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lolking%20kingofeloheaven Edit: After talking to him on stream, I can prove this was the same person that had control of my account and played Morde from D1 to Plat 5. http://i.imgur.com/rjwixwh.png First he says he has no idea who I am, then immediately he says he had "his" account stolen by Shadows. Shadows was a friend of mine who had my acc info who tried selling it to OP but got scammed without my permission. https://www.youtube.com/user/LoLShadows http://i.imgur.com/cIvZfyV.png Now, here in the bottom he says he wants "his" account back. Edit 2: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4127418 Even more proof. The name change affected a post from 2 years ago.. lol Edit 3: Now he accuses me of stealing HIS account. http://i.imgur.com/uZtbLBB.png Edit 4: If you look at my lolking I linked earlier, he said that he is a Morde only player but if you look at S3, it has ZERO MORDE GAMES.

ArkenStorm9 votes

2 Things: One, if your friend had your account info, then that is your own fault. You're not supposed to share info, and this is why. Two, you might want to edit your post, because this guy's name is KingofEloHell, you typed out KingofEloHeaven

OyddAWqJ5r4 votes

Yup exactly, plus his post from 2 years ago also shares the name "KingOfEloHeaven" instead of the "current" "KingOfEloHell"

Bunch of bs he's spewin.

ArkenStorm5 votes

Oh I have no doubt. I'm thinking he has some vendetta against this guy because verinois didn't win an RP card off his stream or he just hates mordekaiser or something. Who knows.

Ulquiorra9957 votes

Fire remove CertainlyT from this rework and replace him with RiotRepertoir. Do us all a favour. We will have healthier and viable Morde that way.

OyddAWqJ5r22 votes

What would RiotRepertoir do if he was here right now? He'd use the feedback he got from you That's what RiotRepertoir'd do.

When RiotRepertoir was reworking Garen with changes oh so bold He took ideas from the community and changed it based on those.

When RiotRepertoir's crazy ideas were met with our despair He made changes based on what we said and showed us that he cares.

So what would RiotRepertoir do if he was working on Morde today? He'd hear us n' scrap it for a full redo That's what RiotRepertoir'd do.

But sadly that's just not what's true, it's up to CertainlyT, Who's ignoring all feedback casually 'Cause he thinks he's better than you and me.

sp44144 votes

Shhhhhh

CertainlyT knows better than you

Don't worry, just drink the Kool Aid

Big Lincoln28 votes

You weren't kidding when you said he doesn't need spell vamp, holy fuck.

I tried two games where I skipped it entirely for a Rylai's rush and immediately it felt great. I even tried mid with smite and it worked out even better thanks to me stealing a ton of Jax's camps -- even took two of his reds!

Damn, I was actually thinking this rework might work out, but the more I play Live Mord again, the less happy I am playing PBE Mord..

VoidInsanity7 votes

Spellvamp has always been a nub trap on Morde. Spellvamp is only good once you have damage to vamp with.

TheKingofEloHell16 votes

This comment made me feel better than the 7,000 views and 120 follows I got on twitch today. Thankyou.

500000000000000022 votes

I think you're the first morde player to have played (and recognized) duo bot Mordekaiser.

I Main Swain10 votes

aren't you forgetting our dear friend sivhd?

TheKingofEloHell19 votes

I'm still da first ><

WWWilliam10 votes

{quoted}

I'm still da first ><

As a fellow Morde main from 2010, It should be noted that Morde bot lane was his meta role. (As ADC's went mid and APCs went bot with a support back then)

But keep fighting the good fight these changes are heart wrenching and this is coming from someone who thinks Morde should be a viable duo laner and solo laner. (Exp boost= Good way to encourage duo lanes, Killing his W in a solo lane = Bad way to force people to go duo lane.)

Auryiel13 votes

Morde will be dead and gone in the next patch and there's nothing we can do about it.

sigh

TheKingofEloHell24 votes

you can share this thread to every single friend you have.

GableGripper57 votes

I shared it with her, but my mom doesn't play league so she didn't really get it.

Retillin8 votes

golf clap

Admiral AckBard12 votes

Bump for the false emperor. Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser

Mortekaiser8 votes

they shit on morde's solo lane. and nobody will want to play morde in bot lane, where ranged champs exist.

fuck those morde mains that liked solo laning, right?

Raid Boss Morde3 votes

They really wanna change how we play, because we're apparently toxic to the laning phase.

Kaeblen8 votes

I've been a fan of Morde since I first started playing. While it's true that I'm skeptical about some of it, Most of these things look like net-buffs:

Passive - I could do without the 25% permasheild (Malphite-esk), but I've been wanting that shield to scale with items FOREVER, so I'm happy.

Q - the 3-autos thing may not be so great (I don't really like it with Rek'Sai), but more important than that is having it now be single target, rather than dealing damage to 3 targets at once.

W - the only thing I'm REALLY concerned is this one. Taking out the AOE damage and making it do that aoe damage ONLY when nearby to an ally/minion you have targeted is, at first glance, an obvious nerf. BUT, usually, when I target a distant minion and stand far away, the minion is killed by my enemy right away. but if i target one and stay nearby, my enemy doesn't dare get that close, so maybe not.

E - It's been a reliable power for a long time, and it doesn't look to be getting worse.

R - wait, my level 3 ult lasts twice as long? ... wait, does it still end when they re-spawn? I'm thinking this is really just a buff when you have the DRAGON... (as if that were a problem)

one more. this time just a question to TheKingofEloHel; have you built: Mordekaiser item 3074 item 3146 item 3047 item 3068 item 3089 item 3151 ;summoner 14 summoner 12 ? Hybrid Morde IS viable. (definitely trying cinderhulk on him now, though.)

Trash ADC Btw5 votes

You can't cast his W on a minion. At all.

Chespin20138 votes

Bumped I don't want my favorite metal man being ruined over a stupid gimmick that CertainlyT keeps trying to push

COWmanLord7 votes

Just want to point out you don't need to ult dragon, you just need to damage it and have your team kill the drag. Not sure if you get both ghosts at the same time though.

In terms of not playing him as a support, don't worry about that he is intended as a replacement adc like you were already playing him.

From what I have seen people are still building him ap and that works. He has an ad ratio on his e, but most still stick to full ap with some ap/health items

This isn't a particularly long one but if you want a video of the morde changes here ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UdoFkXxdTQ

TheKingofEloHell7 votes

I know you do not need to ult Dragon. And my distaste for the AD ratio is because riot is rewarding bad builds on Morde and punishing the best builds.

Ulquiorra9957 votes

Meanwhile, at Skarner and Garen you have RiotRepertoir responding to everything related to them, from balance propositions to jokes.

And then we have CertainlyT "Fuck your opinnion, I'm going through with my ideas".

Malicious Metal6 votes

I can't upvote this enough. You hit the nail on the head. I myself have been maining Morde ever since I started in season 3, being the only reason I continue playing this game. I love the champion just too much to actually find another convincing argument to keep playing after this awful rework.

But your pleas and feedback will get ignored just like my last few topics on the subject of these changes.

R.i.p Mordekaiser, you live on in our cold metal huearts.

TwitchInMyPants6 votes

IDK how so many people are defending this rework. "I played on PBE and beat pre 30s/bronze players in a couple games so I'm confident hes good!" I mean seriously any changes will look good on PBE but do you think if we did something like give Karthus AD ratios while gutting his base damage and cutting his AP ratios and making it so if he assists your team in killing dragon he can stun a tower a few seconds and that he could only cast Q with an ally within 700 range that he'd suddenly be a great champion? Hell you could try something like that on any mage and frankly no matter which one you pick the changes are going to be a massive nerf to their playstyle. Hybrid items are inefficient and spellvamp is especially inefficient on AoE champs, they pretty much nerfed all of his main build paths to try and create a gimmick.

I mean honestly, the idea of a botlane Mordekaiser is totally ok IMO but if they applied these kind of changes to your favorite champion you'd be disgusted. At the very least this new kit is going to need buffed to survive but frankly if someone is going to be a botlaner they need tools to compete with adcs. With 325 move speed, no gap closer, weak base damage, and weak scaling, how do you expect Mordekaiser to fight Jinx, Draven, Ashe, Caitlyn, Tristana, or any other carry with a dash or cc? CertainlyT's idea is "have your teammate cc them!", but if that's the idea why not run someone who'll actually have a good followup to that cc? Because literally any other champion would be better.

Tails Doll6 votes

I hate that this man post doesnt get any red posts. The guy literally lives from Mord, give him something.

nomeL4 votes

I could never think of myself devoting to one champion only, but it's cool when people do that. I respect the effort you put into this post.

RocketRelm3 votes

I totally agree. I've done similar, but not with the absolute laser focus being presented here, and Morgana's actually had upsurges as opposed to Mordekaiser who has almost always been on the bottom of the heap.

Matezoide4 votes

That was beautiful.

+1, i legit couldnt have put together a better post about Mordekaiser and his changes. A shame you dont have a PBE account, your insight could prove useful in, at least, helping us figure out an optimal build for Newkaiser.

Murderkaiser4 votes

I am going to read this every time i remember how Rito killed my main.

Cyfa4 votes

I 100% agree, feel as though he isn't the Morde that mains know and love anymore, just someone pretending to be Mordekaiser

ABlueQuaker3 votes

I'm a Simple Man. I played Mordekaiser Top for a couple of weeks back when Renekton and co were dominating Top Lane and found Mordekaiser was actuallt quite strong. He's literally just like Taric or Bard (etc) in that he's strong but needs a semblance of coordination with his team to function.

Get Rylai's. Press R on Enemy ADC. Enemy ADC is now Permaslowed. Ally Assassin finishes off Target. You now have a pet ADC.

In a week-and-a-bit of playing Mordekaiser, I got 2 Quadra Kills and a Pentakill so I don't f*cking know why people seem to think he's weak.

Sure, he could use a bit of love - maybe give him On-Hit MS on his Q, or bonus movement speed based off his shield bar % BUT HE DIDN'T NEED A KNEE JERK REWORK FROM A BUNCH OF RIOTERS WHO DON'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT HIM.

Maratsune1 votes

All the stuff about the Morde rework goes above my head, but I figure the people who play Morde the most probably know what they're talking about. Also 'Vues for Hues' made me giggle. So I'm upvoting~

TheKingofEloHell4 votes

lol I really appreciate that- I put a lot of thought into naming my accounts, teams and coming up with slogans.

#RuletheRift Motto of Morde: Get fed or feed trying (then ult the fed enemy :^) The Elder Noob ATrueHero

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