Screw the new Dorans shield that all ADCs are taking bot lane

awdaf··18 votes·1,933 views

item 1054 Literally means you take no damage in lane if you play half way decently. You know who has an already safe lane phase that's taking this item there? Caitlyn Annoying as hell.

This item change was not meant for ranged ADs to abuse to safe farm more in lane, it was made for melees in poke lanes, make it melee only or something, or change the unique effect to apply to melee champions only.

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agbudar12 votes

yknow what? im kinda fine with it as a support. im so sick and tired of these 4 man ganks botlane it feels great having not to worry about my adc dying to some stupid lvl 2 cheese.

awdaf4 votes

If you're dying to level 2 cheese, it isn't because of items, it's because you didn't ward right. If they have a champion that can pull off a level 2 cheese bot lane, you should have warded accordingly.

agbudar13 votes

let me rephrase that: im sick and tired of all the endless poke that i somehow had to deal with as a tank support.

doran shield on lowish range adc in the early game gives us tank supports breathing room.

awdaf2 votes

How does the ADCs itemization have anything to do with breathing room for you? You aren't suppose to eat everything in lane, both of you can dodge things.

yesnobanana6 votes

I want to see you dodging an auto attack

Arakadia2 votes

Shen I can!

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Wow! I am so sorry that OP has no idea what you are talking about. Always frustrating when someone wants to argue with you. Especially when you are not even arguing and you have described it in the simplest way possible.

Erockandroll1 votes

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If you're dying to level 2 cheese, it isn't because of items, it's because you didn't ward right. If they have a champion that can pull off a level 2 cheese bot lane, you should have warded accordingly.

Well that guy would be pretty screwed anyways, if a 4 man pushed bot that early.

That said, you can't counter that with vision that early on. Your warding trinket starts with a duration of 60 seconds on a 180 cooldown. Even with both your trinket and your ADC's, you can't keep one entrance covered at all times. (Plus what ever other entrances present themselves) And at level 2, the support would not have likely have made their first back yet, or even if they did, might not have been able to afford sight stone just yet.

It's kinda funny how everyone complains about the snowball meta, yet forget that the poor stats of the vision trinket early on, pretty much makes early game the worst for vision. (Which allows junglers to start the snowball)

Daddy Ants11 votes

If Caitlyn wasn't so oppressive to lane against then Doran's Shield wouldn't be a thing in the bot lane.

Vallalan3 votes

not even true, everyone is building it every game regardless of matchup in high elo.

the item is straight up broken.

Arakadia1 votes

I agree, except I don't think its broken for everyone. They should just reduce its effective on ranged users.

Vallalan1 votes

2 health per second over 10 seconds on top of your normal health regen and 6 health per 5 in the item itself is way overpowered.

its like 3 health per second health regen for 5 seconds after getting hit and 2 after that for another 5.

with how little of damage is done early in small trades its too much.

ForgiveColour9 votes

Implying melee are balanced with it lmao. Yesterday lcs had shen vs fiora and both went doran shield what a fun lane to watch farming simulators

Pendergast8914 votes

lcs always tries its hardest to be a farming simulator with some team fights thrown in so its not the best example.

Melledoneus6 votes

The fact that Fiora even has a good early game still pisses me off.

Vallalan3 votes

she doesn't have a good early. she has a surviveable early with a good level 1. she is pretty weak compared to most bullies in lane.

the problem is she's not weak enough in lane. the buff to her Q awhile back seemed small but maybe it put her out of line. she was pretty weak before though. idk, fiora scales hard like a vayne but has no problem reaching that 2/3 item break point and from there she just becomes scary as fuck. i mean what do you do against a 6 item fiora? you run. she usually has like 40% life steal, cdr, and a fuck ton of true damage/healing.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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The fact that Fiora even has a good early game still pisses me off.

Why is that?

Melledoneus1 votes

Because she is one of the hardest scaling hypercarries in the game. Hypercarries should not have strong lanes if their late game counterplay is "1v5 them and pray."

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Because she is one of the hardest scaling hypercarries in the game. Hypercarries should not have strong lanes if their late game counterplay is "1v5 them and pray."

But that's not Fiora's counterplay.

Her counterplay is to 5v5 them and pray.

And Fiora should never be able to take out more than two people unless they massively fail.

Melledoneus1 votes

Late game Fiora is one of the most terrifying things in existence. Not even Veigar is THAT scary late game.

You need multiple people to take her down unless you have a full build Jax or Yi.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Late game Fiora is one of the most terrifying things in existence. Not even Veigar is THAT scary late game.

You need multiple people to take her down unless you have a full build Jax or Yi.

No, Veigar is a thousand times scarier because he can delete you from 600 range with Q+R.

On the other hand, Fiora has no way past your front line, period. A 350 range dash with a 2 second cooldown, .75 seconds of CC immunity, is nowhere near enough.

Besides, the whole point is to have multiple people. Thats why you 5v5 her, and you'll probably win (if you lose and Fiora doesn't die instantly, she still might get a lot of the kills but she was not the one who won the teamfight)

yesnobanana1 votes

The lcs script is shit man

ChaddyFantome3 votes

Nerf it for ranged champions already Riot.

Quil Evrything4 votes

thats stupid. They have to give up on damage to take it, so they're self-nerfing, in a way. I'd rather see either a dorans blade buff, or a ranged-specific new dorans item that adc would rather take over shield.

Meanwhile.. i'm looking forward to taking dorans shield next match... and/or finally not having my botlane feed every fraeking game I'm not down there.

ChaddyFantome4 votes

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thats stupid. They have to give up on damage to take it, so they're self-nerfing, in a way.

yes they give up 8 AD, big woop. That AD is mostly only relevant of making it easier to farm at early levels, which Dorans Shield passive compensates for.

I'd rather see either a dorans blade buff,

Now let me get thsi straight. The current state of Dorans Shield, justifies needlessly buffign a perfectly balanced item? Are you even thinking str8?

Nameless Drifter3 votes

The increase in the total amount of gold it costs 400 -> 450 it should be enough to put it in a nice place, meaning you lose 1 health potion. I dont find the item that powerful. I find Dorans Shield Rework was needed against poke lanes, they can feel pretty overwhelming sometimes.

nm10102 votes

Take away the extra damage to minions and it'll probably stop being abused.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

when you wage war. The common rule is that both sides take the best weapon available. And if both sides have access to the same deposit. This crap happens.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Ranged champions (ADCS especially) always find a way to ruin things for melees.

yoshi27901 votes

Tanks always find a way to ruin things for mages. item 1056 item 1056 item 1056 Fighters always find a way to ruin things for ADC's. item 1055 item 3087 item 3046 Toplaners always find a way to ruin things for supports. item 3512 item 3060 ADC's always find a way to ruin it for Toplaners. item 3153 item 3147 [I'd say item 3053 but the item is ridiculous strong atm because it got changed to be more tanky because ADC's apparently abused it.] (Only Ezreal abused it, maybe KogMaw ) Assasin always find a way to ruin it for Tanks. item 3068

Just because an item is bought by another class doesn't mean one class ruins it for the other, it means that:

a) The item doesn't do/accomplish what it intended to do. (RuneGlaive Jungle items) b) It's straight up broken/unhealthy/OP. item 3022 item 3047 item 3009 c) The item is a Universal item and is meant to be built on more classes. item 3111 item 3156

And sometimes items get changed, not because they're broken, but because RIOT sees or wants them played differently.item 3174 item 3078

General Esdeath 2 votes

Ranged champs abusing items meant for melee champs?

Next you'll tell me water is wet

RookPusher1 votes

God I wish people would stop saying that. It just sounds like an Oklahoma Accountant who thinks he's clever.

General Esdeath 2 votes

No u

Jo0o1 votes

It's really frustrating to face as a support trying to poke. I'll chunk an ADC with a full thunderlord's rotation for ~40% of their health, and they're healed back up a few seconds later.

PhDs Nuts5 votes

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It's really frustrating to face as a support trying to poke. I'll chunk an ADC with a full thunderlord's rotation for ~40% of their health, and they're healed back up a few seconds later.

lol. Support damage with thunderlord is bullshit anyway.

Jo0o1 votes

Perhaps, but in a hypothetical world where support poke was utterly invalidated, an unhealthy number of supports would fall out of the meta. Poke is a major facet of a lot of supports' laning phases.

xWaters1 votes

MELEE ONLY-- PROBLEM SOLVED

Oleandervine1 votes

Guys, Riot stated that they know Doran's Shield is way out of line and that they will be nerfing it.

Noxian Pride1 votes

It's getting a +50goldcost nerf.

If you think it's oppressive botlane, you should see how hard it screws Teemo over in top. His poison refreshes the health regen duration, he's inherently a pokey champ which new shield counters, and his strongest point in the game is levels 1-3, where dorans items actually matter. If he doesn't snowball then (Which Doran's shield on a not-braindead player won't let him) he usually gets boned.

Renascent1 votes

Funny thing is, now that everybody's taking Doran's shield, I don't have to worry about getting poked out at all as a tank. Their sacrificed damage means they can't bully me as hard, and with my kit helping me to survive alongside the sustain Doran's shield gives me, they actually don't leave any lasting blemishes on my health bar.

yoshi27901 votes

What's wrong with Doran Shield being bought by ADC's??? Doran's blade is bought by fighters too and no one cares about it. Doran's ring on tanks gave it a nerf.

Snowplosion1 votes

You aren't supposed to take it if you're not going to be poked or harassed. If you are playing a bully ADC like Cait all you do is lose damage when try to harass with Doran's shield. It's only good in poking match-ups really. The defensive stats aren't good enough to prevent much early game burst. It's really just an over-rated item currently.

Erockandroll1 votes

Alright, lets look at this objectively.

item 1054 80 Health, 6HP every 5 seconds, additional 5 damage on attacks against minions, 20HP over 10 seconds after being hit.

item 1055 8 Attack damage, 80 HP, 3% LS.

the HP cancels out. 8 AD verses the shield passive, is a 3 damage difference on AAs against minions. But otherwise, Blade has an 8 AD difference in all other regards.

Now for sustain, 3% LS is 3 HP gained for every AA, for ever 100 AD. Naturally, most champs won't start with 100 AD, and their base AS will probably start around 0.60-0.66 ish. So I would guess, maybe 2 hp per second if they keep attacking. Shield would likely have more than that if the passive keeps getting proced. It's providing 1.2 HP per second as a base. and if it's passive is proced, it adds another 2 HP per second.

Looking at the stats, I would argue that doran's shield is the superior item when if comes to sustain and trading. Especially early on, but Doran's blade's LS component should otherwise be more pronounce later on when additional AD and AS is built, but shield is better stand alone. (Which might make it the better Doran's item in general, depending on what you expect from that starting itemization)

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