Teemo can rarely be a lane bully anymore.

Monstermushmush··10 votes·6,567 views

Unless you're playing a bruiser or tank without any gap closers, you can probably kill teemo easily. Renek, Camille, Riven, Aatrox, Morde, and a bunch of other champs can kill him easily once they get onto him. Yes, he has his blind, but most top lane champs are tanky enough to survive long enough to kill that squishy rat. He's supposed to be a lane bully that doesn't scale well in teamfights. But yes, he's good around objectives. What do you guys think about Teemo's status?

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R107 Games11 votes

My thoughts? Teemo can rot in hell for all i care, fuck the satanic rat

Monstermushmush1 votes

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My thoughts? Teemo can rot in hell for all i care, fuck the satanic rat

lol

ShadWooo6 votes

Basically the only viable position for teemo in last two seasons is support. And when you pick him there you can bet your adc will feed and flame. In top he beats maybe few specific tanks that nobody plays anymore. He is viable only in low elo where players don't know how to play against him, junglers are scared to gank him and nobody uses sweeper in lategame so you can actually use his passive to assassinate someone.

I tried about every rune setup except conqueror. Attack speed? bad early, good scaling, but due to short range is easy to zone and deny access to backline and it takes him too long to kill tanks with some MR items. So not really viable. Phase Rush? Good for splitpush but no damage. And the mobility creep is so huge now that you can't escape anyway. Those Akalies, Pykes or Rivens and more will chase you down easily anyway if they want. Comet? Kinda weak because you can rarely harass with Q which is the only spell that can proc it. Mushrooms can proc it too but mushrooms has 2sec delay to get armed after throwing so they are not reliable. Aery? Decent, but reveals your position. Glacial, Spellbook, Klepto? No damage at all. Grasp? Not bad but low damage and don't really help with survivalability - you get oneshot by everything anyway. Guardian, Aftershok - useless. Hail of Blades/Predator - don't know, Predator might be actually better than Phase Rush. Electrocute - might be better than Dark Harvest, hard to say. Dark Harvest - probably the best choice.

Seriously there is probably no matchup where Teemo won't get outscaled. Yes you can bully some champions like Nasus, Olaf or Garen early but if you don't get at least 2 kills on them and level advantage too you are doomed. You will die in every gank enemy jungler pulls off (assuming he is playing champion with good mobility/cc like Camille, J4, Hecarim, Nunu. And if you don't maintain big lead enough and that is really hard to do in plat+, you will lose 1v1 to basically every champion in game. Even those tanks you were harrasing for 15 minutes will just combo-shot you just by base damages and the fact that you will not do any damage to them.

Teemo legit needs 20+ autoattacks to kill fighter/bruiser/tank champion. They need just 3 abilities which usually cannot be denyed by blind to 100-0 you.

Thanks to conqueror, nerfs to swiftness boots and tons of free damage for bruisers from runes and items even matchups where is Teemo supposed to have an advantage like Trynda or Darius are now hard-counters against Teemo lol. Picking Teemo into Darius (assuming plat+ player behind Darius) goes like this - you are harassing him everytime you have a chance. He was not able to get close to you for 15 minutes, then you failed to dodge his E for the first time (or you failed to counter-flash his flash-E or you didn't have flash because enemy jungler came) you die without any counterplay (because displacement cc, massive slow from his AA reset, ms he gets from Phase Rush/Phage/Triforce, and execute ult that cannot be even flashed from) he takes tower because you even respawn (or 3 tower plates) and snowballs of that so hard you will just feed to him if you want get any cs.

Teemo main issues are:

  1. very slow wave clear
  2. very short range of autoattacks on a champion that has just autoattacks (basically every bruiser ability/mobility will zone you as range of those abilities is about same as your autoattack range)
  3. W is basically the worst speed buff ability in game, super weak and you can't even max it anyway (it has no effect even when maxed and you cannot sacrifice damage from E/Q or you lose in lane hard)
  4. he has single ability
  5. his strongest build has no/low CDR which makes it easy to outplay him as he cannot use blind twice in same fight (mostly), and 45%cdr build has much less damage so it is not really an option
  6. his shroom is projectile (which means Yasuo wall and Braum E blocks it) with super slow arm time, it is worse than Caitlyn's traps, it is not possible to use this ability in fight to any effect unless it was pre-placed in advance
  7. passive is weak and flat out bad and sweeper counters it hard
Makarakarn5 votes

Good. No one likes him lol

ThisName1sDumb4 votes

I just played a game against Teemo as Garen, and I can see what you mean. The Teemo played pretty well, but I generally find that even as Garen I just have to play safe until like 10 minutes and then I can kill him pretty easily as long as I've gotten decent cs and haven't fed him.

Reksee4 votes

He's weak and annoying. Like Fiddlesticks.

Eedat3 votes

Whats wrong with that? He scales fairly well so it makes zero sense for him to be a lane bully too.

SpongebobIsLife3 votes

i disagree. Teemo is a strong lane bully that scales really well. You beat morde hard, like you hard counter morde actually as long as you know how to properly space, riven is a problem post 6 but always has been, camille is definitely winnable as is the renek matchup if you time your q right. I've never played the aatrox matchup but i imagine that is more of a skill matchup. There are several master/grandmaster teemo one tricks so this shows that he is definitely a champ you can climb with.

Glaricion2 votes

Teemo is a really weird champion. Can right click dominate some champions, others you pop him whenever you feel like once you get spectre's cowl and boots.

Can't really buff his lane bully aspect to keep up w/ modern times as he scales so well w/ the lategame.

Might have some trouble in teamfights, but does that matter when his shrooms are providing huge amounts of damage, control, and influence?

Let Teemo keep living the meme, one of the few precious things left in this rotting carcass of a game, even if it is just an oversized maggot.

Dewott6102 votes

Nasus "bUt YoU CoUnTeR HiM" yeah, totally, him popping his R and his W slow, I can totally beat that, my blind will make him miss maybe 1 or 2 Qs if lucky, I totally counter him and don't have to make him run into like 4 shrooms just to escape

Iron Phantom2 votes

Fuck Teemo, the little rat can die in a fire.

videorfeak1 votes

I find Teemo to be one of my best 1v1 champions overall, using my homebrew build and runes; my problem is any time I get ahead in lane it becomes a 1v2 with enemy jungle camping then I feed

SociopathFriend1 votes

I mean I've been able to beat Teemo as damn-near any traditional toplaner for years. Dunno if that means most Teemos I run into aren't good or Teemo himself relies too heavily on his opponent not playing correctly against him.

I've never felt bullied by a Teemo past a few minutes or so.

xelaker1 votes

The problem is they gave everyone in the damn game amazing scaling abilities that aren't affected by blinds.

sho ayane1 votes

teemo is trash, he prob needs a buff i stomp him everytime playing Poppy

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