Yasuo's ult should only grant armor pen when he procs it himself.

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NotSpecialDude1 votes

Yasuo doesn't have the opportunity to use his ult like any other champ. The reason its such a strong ult is BECAUSE he has no reliable control over it during teamfights. The last thing he needs is to be punished for following up on a teammates knock up.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Yasuo doesn't have the opportunity to use his ult like any other champ. The reason its such a strong ult is BECAUSE he has no reliable control over it during teamfights.

You mean like Katarina, Morganna, Tryndemere, and many others.?

The last thing he needs is to be punished for following up on a teammates knock up.

poor choice of words. This theoretical change wouldnt be a punishment.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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You mean like Katarina, Morganna, Tryndemere, and many others.?

poor choice of words. This theoretical change wouldnt be a punishment.

Those champions only conditions are "enemies are in range". It's not a downside at all, it's actually a safety crutch to keep them from completely wasting it like idiots.

It is completely disingenuous and idiotic to compare that to Yasuo only being able to use his ultimate if enemies are displaced, which is an actual limitation placed on the ability.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

The same can be said of Yasuos ultimate then since unless she gets on top of your, he wouldn't want to use it, goign off your logic.

Spicy Rice1 votes

So what you're telling me, is that trynd can't ult I feel no ones around?

What is he, a felled tree in the woods?

Çhåryzård2 votes

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Yasuo doesn't have the opportunity to use his ult like any other champ. The reason its such a strong ult is BECAUSE he has no reliable control over it during teamfights. The last thing he needs is to be punished for following up on a teammates knock up.

Uh literally have any champ with a knockup on your team and press R in a fight.

You'd be amazed at how many champions have knockups.

You shouldn't be rewarded for leeching off someone else's CC to ult especially when your ult is that strong in fights and you have your own knockup built into your kit FOR your ult.

PhDs Nuts2 votes

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Yasuo doesn't have the opportunity to use his ult like any other champ. The reason its such a strong ult is BECAUSE he has no reliable control over it during teamfights. The last thing he needs is to be punished for following up on a teammates knock up.

He's also the only champion in the game whose condition for ulting can be satisfied by another champion for him. It's like if Morgana could ult if a teammate was near an enemy, and still gain full effect of the slow and stun.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Strictly because without something to build a combo off of, Yasuo can't use his ult to drive a fight. He has to warm up to it, first. Barring Shen and Galio, barely any other champion has that kind of gate on their ult.

I understand people dislike Yasuo, but punishing him for things he's not guilty of is going to leave him where other bench juice champs have ended up. Azir Kindred Kalista

Spicy Rice1 votes

Hes also the only champion in the game who's co diction for ulting is the target being cc'ed in a particular way.

If you want to get rid of his synergy with other champs, might as well allow him to ult whenever

ChaddyFantome1 votes

he shouldn't be able to ult off teammate knock ups period.

I dont care of he gets his Pen, but he should actually have to earn it as opposed to getting freebies .

Yaśuo Main3 votes

well he already has his ultimate restricted by being only activatable when an enemy is knocked up but what you are suggesting is way too massive

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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well he already has his ultimate restricted by being only activatable when an enemy is knocked up but what you are suggesting is way too massive

i fail to see how. Imagine if Morg could ulti just because a teammate was near an enemy.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

It would ruin his synergy with other champions effectively making his teamfighting bad and he would almost never use his ult outside of laning phase, practically playing with 3 spells instead of 4. You blind?

PhDs Nuts1 votes

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It would ruin his synergy with other champions effectively making his teamfighting bad and he would almost never use his ult outside of laning phase, practically playing with 3 spells instead of 4. You blind?

His synergy would still work perfectly fine with other champions. He still chains the CC and initial damage and blows up the squishy backline. He just doesn't get to make 4k gold worth of tank stats useless because his teammate landed his ult for him.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

Yeah, that's your post. This guy doesn't want Yasuo to ult off of teammates knockups in general.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

he would still chain the CC with his Q to get the knock up, as this guy stated.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

I have no idea what you just said, so I'm gonna tell you 3 things.

he shouldn't be able to ult off teammate knock ups period.

  1. Your comment ^

  2. He's talking about how Yasuo doesn't get the bonus armor penetration, not the entire fucking ability to ult off of teammates knockups

  3. Yasuo rarely has tornado whenever a teammate knocks up 2 or more enemies

And to your other reply,

No, it would remove his artificial synergy with those champions. Yasuo is still gonna appreciate a knock up from an ally regardless of it giving him a freebie to get on top of them instantly while bursting them and giving him his Ulti buffs.

That's removing his entire knockup synergy with other teammates, and it ruins his teamfighting. I already explained this. AND everyone is gonna appreciate a knockup from an ally, not just Yasuo. He should have that "freebie" because it's the only thing not making his teamfighting shit and the only thing making him not useless outside laning phase ultimate wise, or the entire lane in general.

If you think this change will make his teamfight bad you are delusional, but lets humor the idea for a second. SO WHAT? Maybe he will have a period of weakness for a change

You can give him a period of weakness (he already has one anyway) by making his flow a "resource" by making his wind wall cost 50% of his maximum flow. If he has below 50% maximum flow, he can't cast it. So if he casts wind wall as soon as possible, he wont have a flow shield for the entire time AND he wont have wind wall either. He would have basically 2 requirements for him to cast wind wall, if it isn't on CD and he has enough flow.

And tell me how making him unable to ult off of knockups from allies wouldn't weaken his teamfighting at all. You're the delusional one.

yes because having 5 people to get hit by your long ranged Q skill shot knock up instead of 1 = harder to get ulti off. what is logic?

Lol, What is logic? What the fuck does this mean? I can't understand this. Obviously it's harder, you have to wait until all 5 people even stick together like dumbasses and you have to hit at the exact right angles and times to even fucking land it. AND you can't be touched by CC beforehand. Of course it's fucking harder.

Also, you are effectively saying Yasuo sucks whenever he doesn't have an ally with a knock up on his team, which is blatantly untrue.

I said his teamfighting is bad when he doesn't have an ally knockup on his team, or at least bad COMPARED to with an ally knockup. You're fucking twisting my words, you can't even quote where I said "Yasuo sucks when he doesn't have an ally with a knock up" without fucking lying.

#Fuck off.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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It would ruin his synergy

No, it would remove his artificial synergy with those champions. Yasuo is still gonna appreciate a knock up from an ally regardless of it giving him a freebie to get on top of them instantly while bursting them and giving him his Ulti buffs.

with other champions effectively making his teamfighting bad .

If you think this change will make his teamfight bad you are delusional, but lets humor the idea for a second. SO WHAT? Maybe he will have a period of weakness for a change.

and he would almost never use his ult outside of laning phase,

yes because having 5 people to get hit by your long ranged Q skill shot knock up instead of 1 = harder to get ulti off. what is logic?

Also, you are effectively saying Yasuo sucks whenever he doesn't have an ally with a knock up on his team, which is blatantly untrue.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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well he already has his ultimate restricted by being only activatable when an enemy is knocked up but what you are suggesting is way too massive

Kled can't ulti unless he is on Skaarl. Gnar Can't ulti unless he is mega.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

Yeah but Yasuo's ult isn't equivalent to 2 entire kits. Try again.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

The problem is that Yasuo gets too much free itemization.

  • Doesn't need to build more than 2 crit items too reach full crit potential: 5-6k gold saved
  • Doesn't need to build any armor pen whatsoever: At least 2.6k gold saved

That means he can build 2 crit items, and everything else is just gravy with 8k gold to spend on whatever other stats he feels like. If he's not triggering his own ult, he should at least have to think about itemization.

The Whamboozler1 votes

Yasuo's ult shouldn't grant him armor pen... PERIOD.

The dude is already giant pile of free stats. Why does he need more? This just further lets him build without having to worry about buying otherwise essential items. Make the mofo buy armor pen if he wants to hurt tanks!

LeagueOfJhin1 votes

I main Yasuo resistances have taken over instead of Hp so I think nerfing it to 25% would be good

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