Fizz needs a base damage nerf

hes a trickster of course his kit was designed to make you feel like youre playing against an asshole

his W mechanic for getting damage off is so simple, auto attack to make them bleed, Active: when activated if they were bleeding in the past 2 seconds i think it is, you do a million more damage, wth is the point of his ult besides fucking you over more if his W burst so damn hard on its own.

They need to LeBlanc his trickster-ness

At this point, I'd feel best if the later 2 of the listings in the parentheses were fixed. His trollpole is unique, but not in a way that's absolutely terrible. It should probably be on a champion balanced toward wanting to stay in a long-term fight, though, rather than someone with sizable burst. I wouldn't personally care if the damage of other abilities were removed and he only had damage on his E if it landed without the second input (meaning the farther reach would be solely for mobility and the damage has to be applied at closer range).

His ult gives him a hellacious burst pattern if it lands and forces him to skate by with subpar damage if it misses. In theory it's fine because this means his burst has potential counterplay by dodging the fish, but in practice it feels very binary. The AA-based damage, in essence, can stay if his damage is changed to be less bursty, letting it fit a bit better with trollpole. Overall, I don't even think Fizz should be an assassin in the first place. This is coming from someone who greatly enjoys Fizz: I think he'd operate better if he was an AA-based bruiser with Trollpole being his primary defensive tool, not an assassin with potentially eye-watering burst who can abuse the trollpole to double-dip into offense and defense evenly.

they should absolutely never change his troll pole. it is what makes fizz who he is regardless of how annoying it can be at times. If he uses it to engage he has no out.

hes an assassin he is supposed to be mobile.

the problem with his kit is the W and R. R less so than the W. the W I almost never see complaints about, but its THE reason Fizz can always be built a bruiser. no matter how they try to rework it, as long as it is an auto empower that resets and has a high bases its going to make him viable as a bruiser.

I'd argue the Q and E are what make Fizz, but what he needs is to not feel so much like a champ who until he gets late game status is essentially a "oh i landed an ultimate with a relatively big hit box now I dash in and kill you and hop out untargeted". there's nothing really interesting about that.

unlike leblanc who has to play around her blinks back and her passive. fizz kind of just throws out an easy to land skill shot and kills you. no other assassin is so dependent on one item.

and if fizz can ever reliably kill WITHOUT his ultimate he is total cancer. I will never forget the days of W E Q fizz where i would get one shot once he got two items. please do not bring that back. just rework the ultimate and W.

https://i.gyazo.com/26a6784610c86be27e92a98d0d4e1da1.png np

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People complain about half of them two.

They could make like with crit, but with for AD assassins

Not every assassin. It's only a set few that break builds.

Remember Ekko? That took ages to fix, meanwhile someone like Zed has never built bruiser and been a balance issue doing it.

It's not only their base damage what encourage tanky builds, delayed damage is an issue too imo.

If you go full damage you might not be able to proc your delayed damage while going tanky will allow you to do it, yeah the ADC might not get oneshot but you will still kill him with 300 AD instead of 400.

Kat and Talon already snowball better than him.

Fizz should have either safety or free damage, not both.

https://gyazo.com/1a7c4403a96a695a67a2ff404888856b.png This isn't biased at all?

Not really

Edit: NO YOU KNOW WHAT? FUCK YOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRlHO2rUMM

[{quoted}](name=Sire Hippington,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lwftn1tu,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2017-04-24T16:04:07.865+0000)

His base damages are not particular high, it's mostly that some items add to much damage on their own if you synergies with em( ) and that you then just need a kit that allows you to deliver that damage to the right target, which is what fizz(or assasins in general) does and should excel at. Another huge issue is that tankiness with high mobillity leads to alot of safety, especially when splitpushing, makeing it hard to shut down a snowballing tankfizz, which is why Diana for example isn't used as bruiser top despite haveing more damage and tankiness than fizz(and guess which retarted item is kinda core on all the tank fizz/ekkos out where? , free ap for save snowballers )

So either those items or Fizz synergie with those items needs to get toned down if you want to get rid of bruiser fizz without gutting fizz overall.

He only needs to build one of them. TF into tank items is the problem.

[{quoted}](name=Sire Hippington,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lwftn1tu,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2017-04-24T16:04:07.865+0000)

His base damages are not particular high, it's mostly that some items add to much damage on their own if you synergies with em( ) and that you then just need a kit that allows you to deliver that damage to the right target, which is what fizz(or assasins in general) does and should excel at. Another huge issue is that tankiness with high mobillity leads to alot of safety, especially when splitpushing, makeing it hard to shut down a snowballing tankfizz, which is why Diana for example isn't used as bruiser top despite haveing more damage and tankiness than fizz(and guess which retarted item is kinda core on all the tank fizz/ekkos out where? , free ap for save snowballers )

So either those items or Fizz synergie with those items needs to get toned down if you want to get rid of bruiser fizz without gutting fizz overall.

How about we don't nerf trinity force, titanic hydra and bortk for over a hundred other champs. How about we just nerf fizz?

There should be a mobility tax inherent to these champs, that would end the problem

"Fizz has level 1 poke."

This is by far the stupidest thing I have heard about fizz. AND i have heard a LOT of stupid things about him.

How so? It just gives some damage reduction and walking though minions.