Please do not detach Soraka's heal and self-heal

Zarkkast·Jan 16, 2016·4 votes·1,305 views

As it currently is on PBE, Soraka will be A LOT weaker than she was up until level 13 where she has maxed Q and W.

If she maxes Q she doesn't heal her allies and if she maxes W she doesn't heal herself and in turn does not heal her allies either.

This is a HUGE nerf, the only way she could keep up in the early and mid game is if she alternates between leveling Q and W and even then she'd still be largely behind.

I know they said tuning is still off, but I fear this particular change is going to make it.

18 Comments

Sneakyy XDJan 16, 20163 votes

{quoted} This is a HUGE nerf

That's the point. Riot still doesn't want her to be anywhere near to being close to being sort of kind of viable.

ZarkkastJan 16, 20162 votes

Yup, and after this absurd nerf she will starting going top and mid lane, which will be followed by Riot making her completely useless again.

Duke AnaxJan 16, 20162 votes

Please don't talk about stuff you have no clue about, at least play some Soraka.

I'm a Soraka main who loves the changes so far. Full AP Soraka levels W last, When i go support I take Q second and when i jungle or lane I take Q first. Along with the other changes to Q it makes it even harder to kill me now.

The only nerf to me here is the 1/3 reduction to lvl 1 , but It's worth the rest I think. And it actually makes me think about whether I should keep leveling it last. Before it was a no brainer.

ZarkkastJan 16, 20163 votes

Except just how many people play Soraka outside of support?

If you think this change is good for her, know that what will happen is that you will no longer be able to lane Soraka, because everytime the likes of Soraka gets strong in a solo lane Riot guts her.

This is a nerf to support Soraka only, and it's the only role Riot allows her to succeed, they will never allow her to be a strong solo laner, they've made that pretty clear in the past.

Duke AnaxJan 16, 20161 votes

I did say I take her Support, and the only thing I do different is I take E first.

The AP ratios are so high that I almost don't care what the base values do.

ZarkkastJan 16, 20162 votes

I didn't say you don't play her support. I said 99% of her play rate is as support.

Also, not many people play her full AP either. But I guess it will be the only option for her as a support in the next season.

consensual clownJan 16, 20162 votes

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Please don't talk about stuff you have no clue about, at least play some Soraka.

I'm a Soraka main who loves the changes so far. Full AP Soraka levels W last, When i go support I take Q second and when i jungle or lane I take Q first. Along with the other changes to Q it makes it even harder to kill me now.

The only nerf to me here is the 1/3 reduction to lvl 1 , but It's worth the rest I think. And it actually makes me think about whether I should keep leveling it last. Before it was a no brainer.

your post is so misleading because it looks like you know what you're talking about, then you're actually bronze 1

Duke AnaxJan 16, 20162 votes

What has my Rank got to do with it? I got a lot of problems, but Soraka is the one thing I know for sure. I actually was Bronze 4 at the end of the season due to tilt, and got almost straight back to Bronze 1. Climbing takes time though.

BastionKrossJan 16, 20162 votes

Starcall (Q) No longer does increased damage to enemies standing in center. Now slows everyone hit rather than just those standing in center Slow decreased to 30% at all ranks from 30/35/40/45/50%. Impact size reduced to 235 from 265 [ADDED effect] "If at least one champion is damaged by Starcall, Soraka recovers up to [ 25/35/45/55/65 + (.4 AP) TO 50/70/90/110/130 (+.8 AP)] health (based on her missing health)"

This is a buff to solo lane Raka. Now you don't have to spend a point in your heal to get sustain from your poke. Slowing everyone in the AoE helps out solo Raka as well, since she doesn't need laser targeting to kite someone that's not already at point blank range.

Of course, Riot is going to punish Soraka for leaving the bot lane, but at the same time they're punishing her for staying bot as well. So I figure she might as well have a little fun top or mid before the balance team just beats her down with the nerf bat.

BarelyPaulaJan 16, 20161 votes

Consider Raka has insane ban rates, something needs to be done. Sorry about your main.

ShonjlJan 16, 20162 votes

All they did was add a mastery that just made shields and heals do more. If they were so against that and didn't want it to happen, then remove the damn mastery since the only ones that can make use of it are getting nerfed to hell.

Before the mastery update, I don't recall people crying about Raka. Hell even now I usually smile when I am against the enemy and they have a Raka. I swear people just suck at this game. All Raka does is sacrifice initiate and disengage for sustain. There is supports that can do 2/3 or even 3/3, but its bad if Raka does 1/3? LOL.

Duke AnaxJan 16, 20161 votes

The funny thing is Raka is OP as fuck when you play her AP, but almost no one is actually playing her AP and people still complain about that..

Ap Soraka has so much heal I sometimes even skip Windspeaker in favour of Thunderlords and make like a Mage support.

ShonjlJan 17, 20161 votes

This is exactly it which is funny. Raka has 3 builds to do. Pure AP which means she hurts and heals hard, but can't heal much without being in danger and is very easy to die. When I build pure AP on her, she has like 1500 hp, that is literally 2 abilities from damage champs.

Her 2nd build is support build which mostly is just the support items. This one makes her a real hassle since she has team abilities out the ass but her herself is lackluster once they are all down.

Her last build is basically tanky Raka. This one is rarely built but in my opinion the best. Warmogs, Spirit Visage, Randiuns, Lucidity boots with the last 2 being up to what you want to do. I usually do Frost Queens and Rylais. Now she does decent damage/heals. Has cc. And is tanky as hell so she barely dies. This one is hard to counter but isnt the one people build.

People just liek to complain is all I see. Once Raka is worthless. People will cry about Thresh again.

ZarkkastJan 16, 20162 votes

It's not my main. I can't even recall the last time I played her outside of ARAM.

This is an absurd nerf. She needs nerfs but this will push her to the trash can.

Actually, not to the trash can, this will push her to mid and/or top lane, which will be followed by Riot then nerfing her to the trash can because we've already seen what happens to Soraka when she goes mid and top.

RaoulJan 16, 20161 votes

Soraka is still in the game? Didnt they basically delete her some patches ago by making her W way too expensive to ever use again?

QuephaJan 16, 20161 votes

I think Riot might be done trying to make a main healer champion that feels strong yet healthy. Players just can't figure out how to kill the healer first.

Asayake 5150glowJan 16, 20161 votes

{quoted}

I think Riot might be done trying to make a main healer champion that feels strong yet healthy. Players just can't figure out how to kill the healer first.

She's usually miles behind her back line... though. The assassin would have to waste their damage on her, and the mages usually can't hit her.

OP (Original poster), Soraka is very strong right now (or so I'm told), so... yeah. You don't have too much experience, especially considered to me... Yes, I'm low rank but I've been here a long time.

BladeSteelJan 16, 20161 votes

If you pay attention to what Riot says, they aren't done changing her. they are going to buff her q at least, and make some other changes. they even said that with these initial changes she'll be weak and unbalanced. Just be patient before blowing up over something that you don't get.