You know it's a bad design when the champion does not need his entire kit to do their job.

Zarkkast··110 votes·7,389 views

http://i.imgur.com/vYbyeRI.png

The changes to Kog were a mistake and he's too strong right now.

Edit: Ezreal also used to be like that, the only reason people put a point in W now is Thunderlord's.

But his kit also needs to be updated.

164 Comments

SeargentAnus54 votes

Buy item 3047 and dodge his autos.

HongChongDong14 votes

{quoted}

Buy item 3047 and dodge his autos.

Dank dreams bro

Photos of Ghosts4 votes

Tank dreams.

Spicy Rice3 votes

Tank Memes

Zero Skill Tank46 votes

Just buy QSS.

Meep Man5 votes

Wat?

Best Darius KR18 votes

....Is this a very clever joke i'm not getting?

ModWulf Helhammer28 votes

Yes

Auryiel18 votes

Pink ward the spears and dw about it

It's a reference to a joke stemming from the old forums where the most complained about champions were Nidalee and Akali. For Nid, usually people would say ''just dodge the spears'' and for Akali people would say ''just buy a pink ward'' so at some point both forms of counterplay got put together in the form of sarcastic counterplay advice

SSJTribe14 votes

It was because there was a bug (still is maybe?) Where Nidalee had invisible spears once in a while. So it was like "dodge the spears" "can't when they're invisible" "drop pink ward then dodge". Still sarcastic counterplay advice though.

Ariel the Cruel8 votes

It wasn't A bug, actually. The invisible spear thing has been "fixed" a half dozen times and there are still extremely rare occurrences of it happening.

Spaghetti Monster just likes invisible Nid spears for some reason.

Catastrop40 votes

Nah bro, Pink Ward his AA's.

My Waifu Vanilla7 votes

He's not Graves

Mhihnj2 votes

Graves is a magician. He will make your health bar magically disappear

Hello I am Bird4 votes

Leblanc

Mhihnj2 votes

Veigar

RoMz5 votes

Just dodge the spears

Chibi Templar32 votes

Dodge his autos.

SpecterVonBaren10 votes

Funny thing is, this is exactly what his skill order looked like before his rework.

Dan Abnormal3 votes

nah you'd get 1 point in q for the sheen proc

RisenDarkKnight5 votes

I always thought one point in q for the attack speed was worth more than one more in E. But you're prob right.

LaughingStapler4 votes

Yeah, it's a problem when one skill isn't even worth putting a point in until forced to. That shows bad design and the AS change being moved to W was stupid.

quasistellar4 votes

{quoted}

http://i.imgur.com/vYbyeRI.png

The changes to Kog were a mistake and he's too strong right now.

Edit: Ezreal also used to be like that, the only reason people put a point in W now is Thunderlord's.

But his kit also needs to be updated.

Just so you know, people avoided putting points into Ez's W early because it's literally not worth the mana to cast without thunderlord's, and NOT because his other spells are so strong.

darkmatchwaldo4 votes

Better nerf Irelia

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

Reminds me of ekko before he was nerfed.

Ionian3 votes

[{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=72PBgAf7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-16T17:51:23.457+0000)

Reminds me of ekko before he was nerfed.

Why would you not get all abilities asap?

DorkunedAuras3 votes

I bet ekko didn't get his W because his damage was so high, he had no need to stun you first.

Ionian9 votes

{quoted}

I bet ekko didn't get his W because his damage was so high, he had no need to stun you first.

But W itself also gives a % hp dmg passive on autoattack, I don't see why someone wouldn't accept more free damage?

DorkunedAuras2 votes

Oh yeah, forgot about that. So... why does he have that again?

Steelflame2 votes

Last hitting easier and to help enable jungle clearing. Generally all Melee AP assassins get some help for last hitting in their kit, to make up for both being melee and not getting to build AD to help last hit normally. Diana has her passive and really high AoE damage, Ekko his W and passive, and Fizz his W and E. If they didn't have such things, last hitting on them would be insanely hard, pretty much removing their ability to lane period.

DorkunedAuras2 votes

This is also a notable amount of free damage against enemy champs. It just makes him feel more overloaded IMO

TotalJerk3 votes

Because Ekko was SUPPOSED to be a teamfight assassin of sorts that lacked upfront damage, and instead relied on utility and teamwork. My guess is that the rest of his damage was supposed to be meh, but he'd set the rest of his teammates up to whittle them down, then he'd clean up.

Instead we just ended up with yet another assassin who's MO is to basically wait for an opening, then throw fucking everything at a squishy.

Ariel the Cruel9 votes

teamfight assassin

I believe the term they used was "utility assassin". Because that sounds like such a great idea on paper.

Still waiting on the ADC tank, Riot! Graves Never mind.

The Bearded Bard3 votes

For a long while I always thought Ez's W was a waste of a level and mana, but now I see it's power in 2v2 skirmishes and sieging. It's definitely not what it used to be, but it's far from useless.

alfavhunter2 votes

The solution is simple nerf his attack range by 50

Make Q passively give Kog maw 25/30/35/40/45 bonus range to his attack range

Make his W double this value during its effect and cut down the bonus range E normally gives by 50

Bamb he wants at least 1 point in Q

z14GaKI7TO2 votes

I mean there's no point putting a point into a bad ability?

Milodic Mellodi2 votes

Tristana's Q has always been the not-so-important ability of League, and she can do just as well without it as she can with (except when bursting down towers or applying more damage than normal with her E). So...yeah.

Zarkkast2 votes

You do know Tristana maxes her Q second, right?

Unless you're talking about AP Tristana.

Milodic Mellodi1 votes

It's only somewhat-important because increasing your AS lets you do more damage overall, and it allows you to clear minion waves faster. But yes...I also max it second when playing AD or Hybrid. It's only important because it fits Tristana's niche so well, but it's pretty much useless when comparing it to like...every other Ability in League. Did you know that her Q used to cost Mana?

Zarkkast2 votes

Well, unlike other attack speed steroids it doesn't offer anything else, but it actually gives her a lot of hidden power due to the synergy with her E.

It's the best attack speed steroid out of all ADCs with the exception of Kog'maw, obviously.

But I agree it feels lackluster in comparison to other skills. Maybe they should make it like Miss Fortune and add a passive alongside it.

HongChongDong1 votes

{quoted}

http://i.imgur.com/vYbyeRI.png

The changes to Kog were a mistake and he's too strong right now.

I hate to break it to you but Kog right now is considered to actually be one of the weakest champions in the game.

He's a completely immobile sniper that: Has poor range to safely attack even though he's meant to be a sniper, damage that isn't scaled up high enough to make up for his lack of durability, No durability to make up for his lack of mobility, and finally a passive that does not fit in with the rest of his kit and rarely helps him in any way besides a way to break even in kill trading.

Weathered30 votes

3rd highest winrate right now. Things changed.

PixTron1 votes

Ehh, he's honestly not as bad as Xin, Zed, Voli, Panth, etc.

IceKingChernobog2 votes

i can understand xin and zed, but how is voli and panth bad?

Anidan3 votes

Hell, I can't even understand the Xin and Zed. What are you trying to do that doesn't involve one of their abilities? Because it must have nothing to do with an enemy champion, except maybe poke in Zed's case if they're too far to E, but that's not a problem with their kit design but a built-in limitation of his kit.

ThePikol1 votes

Ever heard of Ashe's E?

DarkfireAM5 votes

Gobal Vision...useless? Are we playing the same game?

9kPluzZ1 votes

you forgot ashe, only difference is ashe's E is always useless. Kogs q is only useless until lategame. If anything ashe needs changes.

Zarkkast3 votes

Ashe's E is one of the best non-ultimate abilities in the game...

More from Gameplay

More by Zarkkast