Morgana's soil does it. Brand's passive does it. Malzahar's visions do it. Zyra's plants do it. Teemo's shrooms. Nidalee's traps. etc
I love playing Shaco support and I always rush FQC because of the active, so starting coin and selling later is not really a good idea.
If Zyra's plants can proc it, why not Shaco's boxes?
Shac Norris14 votesThe amount of retards downvoting every Shaco-related threads even if they make sense is just insane
Zarkkast8 votesYup. Gotta love these boards.
DeloricVI13 votesNo, his boxes are too strong as it is, lol.
You do not know true agony until you go to ward the brush in bot and end up getting instantly killed by 10 shaco boxes before minions even spawn. And you're a tank.
That does not bode well for the rest of the game.
In all seriousness, this is probably a bug and they probably should proc it.
alfavhunter3 votesSweeper is op?
Shaco support is a gimic support
He's easy to counter, and last I checked you don't have to walk into the brush to ward it, just near it
And if shaco put all his boxes in 1 spot it means you can easily do what you want to the enemy adc or even force minions to walk into that spot to trigger them
darkmatchwaldo2 votesHere's a question....why the hell did you go anywhere NEAR the bush when playing against Shaco support? [zombie-brand-facepalm]
His boxes are not too strong, your mental game is too weak.
DeloricVI1 votesHe had TP, thought he was going top.
LaoBushido8 votesYour zyra point is the only relavent point, so upvote but the other exAmples have nothing to do with you point
alfavhunter3 votesHimer turrets also proc it last I checked
Shonjl2 votesLast I also checked, Zyra plants and Heimer turrets you can see, and they also don't CC you.
Not hating on Shaco, I personally love Shaco's on the enemy team since if he doesn't snowball makes it an easy 4v5. But you can't compare the other 2 to his traps since they are invisible and CC you.
alfavhunter1 votesHunter turrets and Zyra plants do CC you in the fact that they proc ryals slow and Zyra plants also slow depending on the plant used
On top of that both of them are ranged champions with much more utility and methods to proc FQC
Making shaco box proc it would make him able to more reliably use the item
And here is another arguement for you
We are asking for it to act like all other "created minions" do in the terms of procing FQC tribute. How is that op?
Shonjl1 votesCan't really use Rylai as an example as its an item. But even if you do, a slow and a complete fear/stun are different, one is a hinderance, one is hard CC even if its short.
Ranged also can't be used since that doesn't mean anything. They are ranged and he isn't. That is all there is to it. That could be said from any ranged champ and any melee champ, still doesn't mean anything nor will it ever mean anything.
And maybe Shaco isn't meant to effectively use FQC? Like is that surprising that not all items are best for certain champs? He isn't a support, so of course he won't make the best use of it.
And going off that point and your last question. You basically ignored the part where Shaco's boxes are 1. Invisible. B. Untargetable until they activate. C. Hard CC when activated. Regardless of ranged or item slows or not, you can see Zyra's melee or ranged plants, you can see Heimer's turrets and roughly know their ranges, you can't see Shaco's boxes and if you activate them, the is hard cc that will no matter what hit you 1-3 times without question. So how you can compare the 2 is truly baffling to me.
If this is about the gold it gives from hitting, then just get Ancient coin if you just want to hide in bush all day long. That does the same job as gold is concerned and isn't too strong on Shaco.
alfavhunter1 votesZyra plants have an effective hp of 3 hits
Shaco boxes usually die from any form of aoe late game because of how low thier effective hp is
I've had a tryndamer spin at me though 3 boxes on his way from the dash and kill all 3 boxes
I don't use them for the damage but the CC, because of thier low effective hp they become even less effective late game and that's without co soldering the sweeper trinket
The reason for wanting to be able to start FQC is because
1- we can build it into an effective slow / AP item that gives us mana regen and CDR with its useful active
2 it gives a better built item for late game than cling for how I play shaco support
Shonjl1 votesMaybe.....not all items should be efficient or effective for all champs?
All Shaco's I see either go pure AD or pure AP. Sure you might get away doing Sup Shaco if you want to, but that doesn't mean he is a good support or should be.
And that doesn't change the point that his has invisibility and cc while the others don't. People seem to ignore this point or refuse to answer it and that it is and always will be the reason it won't proc FQC or Thunderlords.
alfavhunter1 votesZyra plants don't die from 1 aoe effect due to having more effective hp late game with thier ward style HP, I've had my boxes killed by star CC without them even realizing they killed them
The I visable trap effect has the downside of being effected by the sweeper trinkets, zyra a plants don't have that downside
If boxes didn't have heavy counter play downsides compared to Zara's plants like the facts listed above then it wouldn't be fair for the boxes to proc FQC
But with that invis and CC came the price of them benign easier to kill (they usually die from stray aoe) and easier to counter (10 seconds of traps not working makes them much weaker late game)
Also boxes have shorter attack range than the Zyra (Q) plants
They also have an arming time while Zyra can nearly instantly make her plants with fast combo of her spells
Gunpoint1 votesYour zyra point is the only relavent point, so upvote but the other exAmples have nothing to do with you point
Except mabye Nidalee's traps and Teemo's shrooms
LaoBushido1 votesbut shaco's trap dont too dot damage
Saianna5 votesCan Shaco's boxes please proc anything?
FIFY
Shac Norris2 votesThey proc spellvamp and rylai's crystal though!
THAT'S why i don't get why they won't give Shaco this simple buff...
Yosuke Apperu1 votesBecause he doesn't need a simple buff.. lol
Shac Norris2 votesIf Zed's Q wouldn't work with thunderlord's nobody would want it to work with it.
Yet he has it and he's allowed to shit on 40% of your hp when you're a squishy with it, why can't Shaco's boxes?
Yosuke Apperu1 votes
1011001110001 votesFunctionally speaking, Shaco's Jack In The Box is coded as a minion and will apply Rylai's, the same as other pets and DoT abilities.
Since Jack In The Box deals damage based on its AP, it should apply Spell Effects when it deals damage, just like Zyra's various plants or Tibbers. But it doesn't.
The argument is that Shaco's boxes should be treated the same as Zyra's Plants and apply all Spell effects a appropriate, which it should, and if Riot can't or won't, then the reasons why should be explained.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesSee, you're using logic! That I can respect my friend :) However I feel if they did make it function like that.. shaco would end up nerfed in the process.
Shac Norris1 votesThat's the point that i was trying to tell you.
If zed can get that extra burst and get away with it un nerfed, why can't Shaco? along with Yorick, he's literally the only champ who can't get benefits from that.
Yosuke Apperu1 votesThat may be the case.. but it sounded more like x can do it so that means that y should do it too. The only thing i have to say about the zed thing is that its actually zeds damage and not a pet unit.
Shac Norris1 votesHeimerdinger uses a ''pet unit'' and yet it procs it.
Zyra uses a ''pet unit'' and it still procs it.
Zarkkast2 votesI think it might be a tad OP if it proc'd Liandry's.
Then again, Zyra's plants do it, so...
HI IM DAISY 832 votesA trap that procs a slow and Liandrys, and is stealthed? Broken! Not allowed in the game!
Zarkkast1 votesExcept Shaco's boxes can be stacked. Nice try though.
HI IM DAISY 831 votesTeemo's were as well until his kit was reworked a little bit.
Great Ozymandius1 votesthey only last 60 seconds. Apart from the start of the game when you are setting up your camps it is almost always a mistake to stack more than 2 boxes in one spot. It takes too much time and will set you behind on other metrics. Usually it is wrong to put more than one box on a location.
Verses a Shaco support you should have a good sense of where he is putting the boxes. If he stacks them in one spot then you know the other areas are safe. If you don't know here he is and have good vision coverage, then sure he might be stacking boxes somewhere further from lane but then he isn't helping his adc and your lane should have an advantage.
Zarkkast1 votesOf course, but that's in lane.
By mid-late game he should be stacking boxes in strategic regions around Baron/Dragon/Buffs, with good ward coverage you can see if there's an enemy coming and manage to get at least two boxes before they arrive.
Crossette5 votesCan we not buff Shaco?
Zarkkast3 votesCrossette3 votesIt would be a QoL buff.
As in you would take MORE damage from Shaco's boxes.
Which literally nobody albeit AP Shaco players want.
Zarkkast2 votesI'm only asking for FQC's Tribute to proc, it does not deal damage, just gives Shaco gold.
I'm not asking for it to proc Liandry's or Thunderlord's.
Illâoi Evê Siôn2 votesThere have been countless threads asking for this, but a Rioter has yet to respond. Highly suspicious.
The Taco Kat1 votesThing is, Riot refused to give any buffs to Shaco just because of how unfun his kit is to face. They may classify this as a buff, stupidly enough.
Great Ozymandius1 votesThe thing is shaco is in many ways a healthy champion. For example, shaco typically plays as an AD assassin in the teamfight stage of the game. He does not do that much damage (a crit on auto, his dagger, item actives, and auto attacks) and he has to use his blink to get to the back line. That means he has no escape if he goes in other than walking away and outsmarting his opponents with his clone. And is damage is low enough that he rarely can instagib targets and he needs to build pure damage or nearly pure damage to do his job, making him very risky I think shaco is a health assassin (especially when you compare him to rengar).
The Taco Kat1 votesI'm not personally saying that I hate him. He can be frustrating to face sometimes, but it's Riot that won't buff him. That aside, I really wish that they would add FQC working on boxes, even if it would just be one proc per box.
alfavhunter1 votesAlso for those saying it's different than Zyra plants and such consider this
Zyra also has ranged AA and 3 ranged aoe spells, this gives her much more option to proc FQC
Same with himer 1 proper rockets and you proced all 3 stacks of FQC
Teemo is also ranged with in is traps that CC and proc FQC
Nidalee is ranged (and can combo 6 spells) and her traps trigger it
We are asking for consistentcy instead of spaghetti code effect screwing 1 champion out of using an item
I play shaco support and want to know one of the best counters to him? A free 0 gold cost item you get to get at lvl 9 simply for reaching lvl 9
This counter doesn't disable Zyra plants, Himer turrets, or Nid traps, only teemo shroom and shaco box, and teemo shroom still procs FQC so...
Inconsistency is a bad thing for any game design
Pandemic Punch1 votesYou are right. upvoted.
megagnura1 votesYes it seems that logically it should prock it, but why are you playing Shaco support? Even if it works really well that would only increase my despair condusion and hatred toward that champion
Yes condusion
The Bearded Bard1 votesEven more important is for the boxes to apply ludens, which they currently don't.
That'd help all versions of AP Shaco.
stealthfox941 votesWhy does this have upvotes? Has anyone actually thought how unfun this would be to play against?
trash sion1 votesIt literally changes nothing except giving more gold to shaco. No change to the gameplay.
Shac Norris1 votesThis thread is weird as hell, went from 10 upvotes, to 3 upvotes the day after, and now 40..
Boulderox1 votesthe only discrepancy is teemos shrooms because they will always suck dealing with. But all the mentioned above abilities do not have cc tagged to it, the ability to have a cc on a gold generating spell that you don't need to manage is a tad strenuous if you ask.
Meanwhile 
ghouls can't proc anything...
Filthy Rank1 votesIt is because shaco box are coded like minions so they don't get buffs from your items (rylai was specially coded to give a pet slow) for exemple liandry sadly doesn't work. My main is shaco support , i would love riot to look more on shaco bugs (like getting out of invisib when walking near a unit because of the cancelled auto (that doesnt do damage)) or to correct those littles things that aren't big buffs :/