Mobile AD casters aren't fun

deadlychuck··1 votes·510 views

OK yes, this i lost and i'm frustrated so this post is being made, keep that in mind, but don't write it off as a rage post.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1759471131/32122784?tab=overview

this is the kind of game which always turns me off from playing league of legends, because frankly it feels like the direction the game goes is completely out of your control, there is literally never a point in the game which we were ahead, the enemy had such naturally strong champions, and even despite being completely AD, couldn't have their damage nullified or realistically mitigated.

They effectively start out ahead, but let's say you rush armor, it's far to easy for them to just rush item 3035/item 3071 at which point you're wasting gold to build armor, they will still kill you with the burst from their abilities. If you instead build health, they might not have enough damage on their abilities to kill you, but because they are all AD, they can fall back on their auto attacks as a source of consistent damage, which you also have no answer for.

Though how about we be optimistic and say that it's an even fight at some point, the vast majority of the time, your get forced into a situation where either you lack the damage to out duel the enemy, or despite being able to out duel them, they have so much more mobility than you that they can escape at any point when they start to lose the fight. You don't have a source of consistent damage like they do, so you have no option to not use your CC to secure the kill when it's the only way for you to out duel them, but they do have that option.

I've never been a fan of AD casters being added to the game, an ability here or there was always fine, but champions who have a kit built completely around scaling with the stat, just turn me off and make me question how balanced the game would actually be, if people would just stop playing the meta and play the most powerful champions. Sure there are some AP champions who are very powerful, but it tends to be a result of kit utility, not simply the virtue of having all AP skills.

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GloriousKaiser2 votes

Jayce got you down? You'll hate Nidalee 10x more.

deadlychuck1 votes

I think the instant CD on her ult when her passive gets activated removes some of the skill from the champion, but i don't mind her. Unless she goes AD then she actually has to land her abilities to deal damage.

ccseancc1432 votes

AP casters are op. There are only 2 viable defense items against them and they can build Voidstaff and shred you! The can poke you from the other side of the lane! 0 COUNTERPLAY, oh wait thats why AD casters exist. To counter the AP casters. If Talon and Zed the two main AD Caster Assassins didn't exist. Xeraths, Luxs and any other long range mage would be op as hell. Tanks counter Zed, it just happens that your teammate fed so hard Zed was could shred you.

deadlychuck1 votes

The difference is that if you catch a mage out, then a lot of times you can still kill them even if they are ahead, if you catch a zed out then chances are he will get away even if he's behind.

ccseancc1431 votes

Thats cause they are meant to be slippery since they have to be in your face to do damage. If they were immobile as ap caster they would blow up instantly before they could even get close to their target. Lets look at Fizz. Before he was nerfed if he was fed he was literally cancer, even more then than Zed and Talon. Thats just how assassins are built. Nothing to do with the fact that they are ad. Yes ad casters get auto attacks but, they literally need to be in your face to do damage with those and assassins aren't know to be the tankiest champions.

deadlychuck1 votes

being able to get into someone's face and being slippery are two different things. XinZhaoMaokai Talon can get into someone's face, Zed LeeSin Riven Yasuo Vi are given crazy mobility instead of powerful initiates. In light of that they are given freedom of movement, they don't have to commit to an attack. If a make a decision they can escape if they fight doesn't go in their favor.

Assassins also don't have to be tanky, if they are doing more of your % total health than you are doing to them. The reason i brought up auto attacks is because AD casters are only an issue when you look at the way AD has been itemized compared to health and armor. They have to burst to get through armor and the consistent dps shred your health.

If they didn't just give them freedom of mobility it wouldn't be such an issue, for example, what if riven's Q could only be used as an engagement tool instead of an escape (so like making it targeted)? Well ironically i had a game where the riven herself actually did this. I just random-locked taric and went top against a riven, an obvious advantage for me. Though the riven would use her Q to engage and then when i'd turn the fight around she would lack most of her escape. She made a bad play and was punished for it. She miss judged how much damage she'd deal and how much i'd deal, then having expended her escape payed for the miss play. Though this was obviously a bad riven, because she did it multiple times, consider if she was a good riven. What changes? She simply realize that exchanging with Q isn't effective so instead she uses it as a 100% escape tool, at which point it becomes impossible for me to punish her for walking in and trying to brawl with me, when i have the advantage.

LoRdJeSuS69694201 votes

Honestly I feel like all the champions on the enemy team there are mediocre (all with poor winrates). People like zed and jayce can be shut down and blown up very easily.

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