Then at least treat AD the same way.
Gut the secondary stats, trash the itemization, overvalue the unique passives, and reduce the amount you get by ~50%.
Edit: lost power and internet from Irma. Charging devices at library atm so i'll reply to a few.
PhantomGG32 votes-uses his bernie voice-
This is what riot wants, they want to divide us, we should stand together, Mages and assasins need to stand together, supports and marksman, tanks and junglers, we must all be one and unified and demand a Equal balanced game, and not these metas where only one class matters.
(people think im meming, but im partly dead serious)
Bob the Toastr27 votesOoh, ideas, ideas:
PhantomGG1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bob the Toastr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9aBZfOY2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-09-11T06:30:52.344+0000)
Ooh, ideas, ideas:
- "The top 10% of champions are getting as many skins as the other 90%"
- "All of the balance is going to the top 1% of players, not the other 99%"
- "I want a system where we can have free reworks for all champions"
- "No champion should have to pay for their potions; I want a potions-for-all health care system."
- "There should be no Cho'gath too big to fail, there should be no Jinx too powerful to jail."
- "I won't be beholden to the special interest groups like the shopkeeper."
The top 1 percent win rate of 1 percent win rate champions average more gold than all champions combined, this is unacceptable.
Taliyahc2 votesYou good sir are a genius
Bob the Toastr1 votesThanks! [slayer-jinx-catface]
SwiftKitten884 votes[{quoted}](name=Bob the Toastr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9aBZfOY2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-09-11T06:30:52.344+0000)
Ooh, ideas, ideas:
- "All of the balance is going to the top 1% of players, not the other 99%"
this hurts because it's all too true...
and even when they expand it to the top 7% the bottom 93% still get fucked over.
ZapMyHeart1 votes-uses his bernie voice-
This is what riot wants, they want to divide us, we should stand together, Mages and assasins need to stand together, supports and marksman, tanks and junglers, we must all be one and unified and demand a Equal balanced game, and not these metas where only one class matters.
(people think im meming, but im partly dead serious)
I don't see anyone else stepping up to defend mages. If anything, the boards complain about the circlejerk mage mains all the time, while crying foul for the victimized assassin mains.
If you wish for everyone to stand together, perhaps address the elephant in the room and persuade the other groups to defend the mage mains instead.
LordGeovanni1 votesthere are 3x more fix ap item threads on the first few pages of the boards than help assassin pages. and all of then dont say anything but we understand that adcs are in an oppressively strong place so put us there so we can be happy too. when they have been in that place for longer and more recently than the 2-3 types of tanks Tanks, Assassins (not more recently in this one case) 2 of the 3 types of supports (i refuse to punish supports for finnally being useful because adcs never needed the help but got it anyway, damage supports being the exception which are all mages anyway.) 3 of the 4 groups of fighters (juggarnauts though shat on by the current meta arent bad are are still the best fighters)
ZapMyHeart2 votesthere are 3x more fix ap item threads on the first few pages of the boards than help assassin pages. and all of then dont say anything but we understand that adcs are in an oppressively strong place so put us there so we can be happy too. when they have been in that place for longer and more recently than the 2-3 types of tanks Tanks, Assassins (not more recently in this one case) 2 of the 3 types of supports (i refuse to punish supports for finnally being useful because adcs never needed the help but got it anyway, damage supports being the exception which are all mages anyway.) 3 of the 4 groups of fighters (juggarnauts though shat on by the current meta arent bad are are still the best fighters
Speak proper English.
LordGeovanni1 votesI can i doubt you'd hear me though.
ZapMyHeart1 votesI can i doubt you'd hear me though.
And why would I hear you? This is a forum. I doubt your conversational skills, considering you lack basic comprehension.
LordGeovanni1 votesSpeak proper English, but i have a lack of basic comprehension. Stay in school.
ZapMyHeart1 votesSpeak proper English, but i have a lack of basic comprehension. Stay in school.
You type on a forum. Your lack of comprehension is basically zilch if you can't even understand this simple point. I would tell you to stay in school, but it seems that you probably failed out from what you are showing us =)
LordGeovanni1 votesThen dont ask people to 'Speak' properly when you 'Type' on a forum and get mad when you can't 'Hear' them which is a result of people 'Speaking'.
ZapMyHeart1 votes[deleted]
LordGeovanni1 votesfunny because you doing the exact same thing i did at first.
ZapMyHeart1 votes[deleted]
LordGeovanni1 votesI no you did worse. I didnt write complete sentences so you couldnt use your brain to work it out. you wrote a sentece that didnt relate to the issue that you were trying to call me out for. Smart guy top Tier.
EkyonKun1 votesWhat a time to live in. Mages and Assassins coming together to fight a much greater foe.
Once sworn enemies, we must unite and stand against this oppression.
deadlychuck1 votesI don't think the problem is that only one class matters in a meta.
It comes down to how they want to make the core stats asymmetrical, but can't sufficiently make them equivalent in results with different methods of power. Mind you that the stats have always been asymmetrical, but riot has been attempting to change the lines by which they differ. Resulting in a disparity, and noticeable favoritism, in the designs of AD itemization and usage.
This is a problem of their own creation. They kept pushing changes into the game, as if there existed no negative long term consequences for the changes in design philosophy. The largest of which is probably the shift of AD into the role of AP, by their very names. Attack Damage is being treated as "physical damage" applicable to both abilities and auto attacks, but AP is still heavily restricted to magic damage, rather than expanding to include all forms of power that abilities offer including utilities like range and CC (beyond an experiment with a few supports a few years back which riot didn't expand upon).
If they wanted to expand AD to include extensive scaling on all sources of damage champions now exist which have have purely AD scaling (I.e 
). I did that from memory, because it's difficult to look that up on my laptop i'm working off of, so sorry if a few have some other scaling somewhere.
Even if you look at the older designs of champions expected to be played as purely AD (at least before the might have been reworked), they generally had one or two abilities which had zero scaling or exclusively AP scaling. (I.e. 
even 
followed this pattern)
Bob the Toastr10 votesAlso make it so there's really one item you have to build on every single ad champion and the best power spike only comes from an item who's only component is a single BF Sword and costs 5000 gold. Also make only a single lethality option available and make guardian angel give mana instead of ad just because.
Mens Hair Club6 votesthen give me a kit that's as broken as a mage's
PrinceOfStorms28 votesPick any ADC. There you go.
Sad Chihuahua3 votesYes, because ADCs are broken, not the their itemization. Edit: Yes. downvote me for telling the truth.
Mens Hair Club7 votesadcs are pretty dumb by kit alone
Kloqdq17 votesAdcs don't have kits. They have Right Clicks.
Mens Hair Club7 votesxayah
Kloqdq7 votesThat is a better example of a good Adc who is primarily focused on auto-attacking. A lot of her damage comes from combining abilities and autos to do her thing. Still not perfect just because of Crit existing.
Mens Hair Club4 votesxayah is stupid, crit scaling damage and having ridiculous burst and area denial on top of the ridiculous W steroid and her twitch ult passive
zero trade-off from standard adc power to have the insane combo of traits she has
Kloqdq4 votesThe problem is Crit, not Xayah in my mind.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesThe problem is xayah but without looking up i know that you never played with or against decent xayahs let alone be able to tell the difference when watching a stream.
Kloqdq3 votesThe problem is Crit. It really is. Yes, Xayah may be strong on her own but Crit is the real problem.
Take away Crit and give them proper ramping tools and you'll see a VERY different bot lane.
Somebody Love Me7 votesXayah cannot chase for shit, but she excels at kiting. She, in my opinion, is the model for a great ADC. She combines abilities with autos to make the most of things. Her positioning matters more than most because of her E, and she makes the enemy have to position well too.
Her ultimate could be something under question, but right now, her main problem is her itemization and scaling.
LordGeovanni3 votesq auto e. Chased
Somebody Love Me2 votesIf you get snared when she's chasing you, you must not have been running away. Since the nerfs, she can no longer instantly Q auto E, so in the Q cast time, you should be out of snare range.
10Tickler2 votes
W+AA+EQ+AA+Ult
QWR+AA+AA+AA+AA+AA+AA+E
EQ+AA+AA+AA+AA+W+W (out)
Nuff said
3-hit passives are cancer
Passive and Q ensure that one kill in lane, and Draven's fed
Sad Chihuahua1 votesWhat does that mean? You basically listed out ADC combos. Only thing that made sense is the Draven one, rest is just meaningless.
10Tickler1 votesWell jimbo, that'd be the consistently-broken ADCs that are complained about constantly, and the key presses that make them broken
Sad Chihuahua1 votesHoly shit, you guys are completely delusional. When ADC's become an OP class, everyone now throws blame at random stuff. From "Supports are OP" to "Tanks are weak" to "Ad items are too good and cheap" to "ADCs have broken kits". If ADCs had broken kits, why were they considered the least impactful class until the late game? Perhaps it was due to their expensive itemization?
ganggoink2 votesAhahahahahahahahahahhahaa boards
Adc is only broken cause of Janna/Lulu/raka players with their broken itemization.
pixelvoxel8 votesADC's broken because everything else has to play around them. If they're even halfway decent at CC chaining then your carry won't die. Go low ELO and the role's shit since you don't have reliability in your front lin3.
Give everyone else, especially tanks, a reason not to be generic peel support #2. Or just remove RNG 800 damage autos from the game and make them generic turret pushers with no niches or damage. I don't want to play this shit.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesGoes both ways. Play against a team that can chain CC and your carry will die no matter how good your support is.
PrinceOfStorms3 votesAnd if the carry isn't out of position, landing the chain CC is very hard. Plus ADCs have tools to get around it.
LordGeovanni1 votestake the power out of only the adc hands and who cares you have other carry roles
2Charmnot2Charm2 votesExcept it's harder to chain cc the adc unless they mis-position bad, or they have no front line to protect that adc.
z63XnLCMwX4 votes
It's not like
AP items
have burst
or utility
PrinceOfStorms21 votesDeathcap and Protobelt are almost never bought (deathcap because it's so expensive, protobelt because its gold efficiency is god awful for about 80% of AP champions). Zhonyas gives very little damage and is often a last buy, same with Banshee's Veil.
Thilmer14 votes
nerfed a dozen times
is more a tank ítem tan anything
who the hell gets enough gold to buy this for a start
yeah, the "hextech pices of shit" that only twwo or three champs can use efectively.
I rate your trolling attemp 1/10. It's not fun when you obviously don't know a fuck about what you are talking about. [slayer-jinx-catface]
baetoevn4 votesRIOT JUST PLEASE REVERT THE CHANGES TO AP ITEMS AND MAKE THEM CHEAPER!!!! <3