"Great Tristana buffer on the W!" - LCS caster

Tychusfindlay918·Feb 18, 2018·82 votes·3,532 views

No it wasn't great we all know it's bullshit and hilariously easy to pull off against every telegraphed hard CC in the game.

78 Comments

ArakadiaFeb 18, 201867 votes

This thread isn't going to generate anything but an echo chamber or circle jerk. No potential discussion and to be honest it's keeping more well thought out threads from being seen.

Jinx HunterFeb 18, 201818 votes

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This thread isn't going to generate anything but an echo chamber or circle jerk. No potential discussion and to be honest it's keeping more well thought out threads from being seen.

Oh but its OK for there to be a Anti Zoe echo chamber hate train that ignores facts for subjective biased views am I right? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

AyzevFeb 18, 201814 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/detailed/ Sort by ban rate and then proceed to explain that, please. Tell us more about the facts and our echo chamber and whatnot.

Or don't, since it's off-topic.

Jinx HunterFeb 18, 20186 votes

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AyzevFeb 18, 201830 votes

So half of high elo is an echo chamber where they ignore facts, don't build right, don't play right and they all need to git gud. http://mymemes.biz/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/this-is-bait-meme-59d4834d10f61.png

Pika FoxFeb 19, 20183 votes

Most of league is a circle jerk echo chamber. Zoe has clear and defined weaknesses that no one wants to exploit.

She plays like an assassin, and is terrible at teamfights as a result, enforced by sleep breaking on any champion damage (meaning her team can screw her CC and damage)

She has no mobility like a long range mage (her R gives her temporary mobility so she can play her assassin role, but brings her back to her original cast point)

Most of her damage is frontloaded into Q via her passive, E and R. If she fails to kill someone in 1 combo, she becomes useless, like an assassin.

She lacks waveclear, and general AoE

Her main form of combo requires a 2.3 second delay before she can kill someone, making teamfighting, again, difficult.

People just like to cry foul all day and ban instead of learning how to play against the champion and her numerous weaknesses.

MrPhamtomFeb 19, 201816 votes

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She lacks waveclear, and general AoE

lol what the fuck

are you bronze?

InfernapeFeb 19, 20182 votes

People just like to cry foul all day and ban instead of learning how to play against the champion and her numerous weaknesses.

So by your logic, the pros and everyone that's plat+ doesn't want to learn how to play against her, so they miraculously made her the most banned champion in both casual and pro play, in all regions?

LordGeovanniFeb 20, 20181 votes

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So by your logic, the pros and everyone that's plat+ doesn't want to learn how to play against her, so they miraculously made her the most banned champion in both casual and pro play, in all regions?

this is exatctly what got cammile hot fix nerfed not 1 week after reaching live servers and 7 times in a row afterward because no one wanted to learn how to face the new ult when her Q W and E was weak due to the strength of her ult. While zoe can have her w and not have her q e and ult gimped because of it. camille then got nerfs on W E Passive Ult and only buffs to q but the most toxic part of her kit in the true damage rather than the physical damage part.

AmenPersonFeb 19, 20181 votes

That is the greatest bait imagine I've ever seen. It has now topped my Guts bait image.

Attticus FinchFeb 19, 201811 votes

He says, while being too much of a coward to post on his non-smurph account.

Jinx HunterFeb 19, 20182 votes

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Attticus FinchFeb 19, 201811 votes

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You are still not out arguing my points.

That which is asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence. There are a dozen statistics that contradict your ""''point"""; meanwhile you've presented only your feelings as an argument and are hiding behind an unranked smurph. Presumably because you know exactly what would happen if you didn't.

NocturnalSheildFeb 19, 20182 votes

I just fail to see it.

Kassawin had a 98% ban rate and still had a 58% winrate because he was actually broke.

I dont care if zoe has a 99% ban rate if she cant even maintain a 50% WR shes not as broken as the circle jerks want people to believe.

Does she need tuning yes. Is she the worst thing ever to happen to leauge like the circle jerks say... fuck no.

LordGeovanniFeb 20, 20181 votes

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I just fail to see it.

Kassawin had a 98% ban rate and still had a 58% winrate because he was actually broke.

I dont care if zoe has a 99% ban rate if she cant even maintain a 50% WR shes not as broken as the circle jerks want people to believe.

Does she need tuning yes. Is she the worst thing ever to happen to leauge like the circle jerks say... fuck no.

kassadin never claimed to be a hard mechanically intensive champion. those champions should naturally not be balanced at the same winrate as a champion that is supposedly braindead unless they are infact brain dead themselves and thus you cant justify their damage output. Balanceing brain dead champions at a 50% winrate is stupid too.

NocturnalSheildFeb 20, 20181 votes

Kassadin actually had a 10 on the difficulty meter when he was broken.

And Zoe isn’t mechanically hard. You just have to land skill shots.

Votable JesterFeb 20, 20181 votes

Still, the Zoe "discussions" are generally just echo chambers without discussion. Regardless of her true balance, there isn't any real discussion going on about her.

Tychusfindlay918Feb 19, 201811 votes

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This thread isn't going to generate anything but an echo chamber or circle jerk. No potential discussion and to be honest it's keeping more well thought out threads from being seen.

There is potential discussion. Are you willing to defend tristana's ability to ignore getting caught by hard CC just because she pressed W?

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20184 votes

No because it would lead to the echo chamber participants mass downvoting me regardless and I don't really care about the topic as its not as big of an issue and I don't have enough knowledge about it.

There is no discussion here. The post is greatly geared to only agreeing with one side.

General Esdeath Feb 19, 20186 votes

downvoted for low effort content

Tychusfindlay918Feb 19, 20187 votes

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No because it would lead to the echo chamber participants mass downvoting me regardless and I don't really care about the topic as its not as big of an issue and I don't have enough knowledge about it.

There is no discussion here. The post is greatly geared to only agreeing with one side.

Sounds like a case of "I hate that there's an implicit thesis that takes a stance on only one side"

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20183 votes

Whats the point in arguing against it in an echo chamber is my point.

Tychusfindlay918Feb 19, 20184 votes

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Whats the point in arguing against it in an echo chamber is my point.

"Why argue against this guy he believes in one side."

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20183 votes

No this is a circle jerk post. And it encourages the echo chamber behavior that is common on the gameplay board.

Chromatic EagleFeb 19, 20181 votes

Why care if you get downvotes?

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20181 votes

Because it reduces my comment's visibility and my inbox will be full of the same circle jerk arguments.

Again, this post is bad because it encourages the echo chamber.

Chromatic EagleFeb 19, 20181 votes

Then why have you posted so many times saying that it's an echo chamber? Aren't you receiving what you're afraid of in the first place?

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20181 votes

No because the entire gameplay front page isn't covered with posts about it.

You seem to be ignoring the issue that is this post and what it represents.

General Esdeath Feb 19, 20183 votes

What discussion are you looking for? Maybe OP thinks it wasn't a great play, maybe someone else thinks it was?

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20181 votes

I'm not looking for positive discussion here because there wont be any.

General Esdeath Feb 19, 20187 votes

So you're upset because a discussion you're not looking for isn't here?

[sg-lux-2] you ok bro?

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20182 votes

I'm not upset. Are you assuming or just claiming it to make me appear irrational? It seems like the latter but if not please correct me.

It's not that the discussion I'm looking for isn't here.

Its that there isn't going to be any good discussion. In an echo chamber, alternate ideas are not encouraged, and thus real discussions are much less likely to actually occur.

General Esdeath Feb 19, 20182 votes

You're clearly not in a happy situation and feel strongly enough to comment, so you're upset.

If you think this is an echo chamber just because you say it is, you're sorely mistaken. This is far from an echo chamber. An actual echo chamber would forbid you from even posting something opposite to what is thought of.

RocketRelmFeb 19, 20181 votes

I mean, sure, but.

Then why are you posting?

ArakadiaFeb 19, 20181 votes

I'm posting here because there is a purpose to it.

I'm trying to point out how pointless this thread is. My single comment made more discussion than anything else the thread made.

Backup4nowFeb 19, 20182 votes

The original post is definitely not geared towards discussion, but it at least starts off with frustration which we can use as grounds for proper discussion. He sees Tristana's buffer as a given power to be taken for granted because of its simplicity, whereas the casters announce it as a significant skillful play. We can proceed from here, either criticizing the casters for being misleading or by criticizing the design of the ability.

xMidnightFeb 18, 201821 votes

Braindead overtuned champ

vgamedudeFeb 19, 20188 votes

It's like casters are paid to exaggerate adc plays

"Wow nice right click there sick outplay!"

Meanwhile they have a whole frontline in front of them making sure they can right click.

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Feb 19, 20184 votes

Nothing in this entire game is hard to do, you just press a fucking button lol

Tails9016Feb 19, 20183 votes

I'll have you know, turning off your heat and sitting in 2 degrees Celsius really fucks your fingers.

xelakerFeb 19, 20182 votes

jokes on you, I play with a complicated system of pulleys and levers

Iffy JarlFeb 19, 20182 votes

But conversely you can also cancel her jump if you time it correctly

xelakerFeb 19, 20182 votes

generally she isn't hopping away unless you pose a huge threat though. she's strong enough to kite most stuff away, not to mention her ult

Yordle XayahFeb 19, 20181 votes

data

T4underboltFeb 19, 20183 votes

Her dash is the longest in the game. She is too safe. She needs to have this nerfed. If she had her jump on half the range fine. But one jump and she is out of reach. There is no reason to keep her safe like this. She already has ultimate and high auto attack range.

Yordle XayahFeb 19, 20181 votes

Her jump was the exact same when she was one of the worst and most trash ADC in the game. So I have to totally disagree with you. This jump is hardly a problem, but I've spent so much time the last couple weeks trying to explain it, and I don't think I'll convince you sir/madam.

So... can we maybe please let us just be civil and agree to disagree? :)

T4underboltFeb 20, 20182 votes

She was never trash ADC. I played her at that time when she was considered trash few months before she "came back" to meta. The reason she started being popular weren't some massive buffs or something. It was other ADCs either being much stronger or meta having better reliability with other ADCs than her. Unfortunately now with new runes range, poke, safe gameplay is all that matters because one kill leads to snowball that guarantees win and riot doesn't seem to want to change it so Tristana will never be bad.

Yordle XayahFeb 20, 20181 votes

Well, I tried...

Tychusfindlay918Feb 20, 20182 votes

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Her jump was the exact same when she was one of the worst and most trash ADC in the game. So I have to totally disagree with you. This jump is hardly a problem, but I've spent so much time the last couple weeks trying to explain it, and I don't think I'll convince you sir/madam.

So... can we maybe please let us just be civil and agree to disagree? :)

IOW, her jump has been bullshit since inception.

Her balance state at any given time is meaningless.