You are not supposed to try to 1v1 the enemy mid/top/jungler. In a typical game, solo laners are 2-4 levels above an adc for the first 35-40 minutes, so they can easily 1v1 your squishy ass. Don't try to 1v1 a level 13 zed as a level 11 caitlyn then complain on the forums "zed has no counterplay!".
Mizaya28 votesBasically don't try to make stupid plays?
It's like complaining about ADCs being unkillable when you are a frontliner and dive them when they have peel and you don't have support from your team yet.
Zakrani2 votesgot em
Yaśuo Main14 votesStereotype of all ADC's
Not directly gameplay related
We got 2 out of 5 generic post traits.
TEA Nietzsche 2 votesCHAMPION X IS OP FREE EVERYTHING NO COUNTERPLAY RIOT SUXX FIRE BALANCE TEAM stuck in elo hell gg :(
How did I do?
xToxicOsirisx5 votesIt doesn't complain about yasuo
2/10 for effort
Aptest1 votesforget to caps lock on last line, fail.
TEA Nietzsche 1 votesDamn :(
big boi edri10 votesUnless you're 
I can think of a hefty list of champs she can solo before 35 min.
Ap Mid Burst4 votesShe's supposed to be a duelist though.
Karn Bishop6 voteswell not really, shes supposed to be a tank buster that struggles/fears high dps assassins. pity thats not the case atm.
Brain Errör 4046 votesRiot clearly states she's the number one marksmen duelist. They made vayne purely to be a marksman fiora.
Karn Bishop3 votesI'm pretty sure that they state she is a late game hyper carry tank buster champion, though if we are going based off her fantasy lore well the vayne in lore is vastly different then the vayne we fight against.
She cannot be considered a duelist because generally speaking duelists tend to excel in 1v1 situations but are rather lackluster in teamfights by comparison, and even those duelists who are both considered hypercarrys + decent teamfighters have at least one glaring weakness to make up for it which is being melee.
heck take one of the premier duelist hypercarrys people often think of 
he has decent sized CD's early game, punishes you heavily if your playing him and misuse or use your duelist abilitys too early or late and does not really hit carry potential until his 4th item, or third item if he has more then 4 levels on his enemy, his items are also rather pricy and while he has solid teamfight potential you do not often see that potential due too his melee range, and in this case his best option is still forcing 1v1's or if he is fed 2v1's by split pushing.
Now compare that to vayne who has excellent teamfights, excellent solo duel power and often spikes to hyper carry status after finishing 1 maybe 2 core items.
ADC should be weak to assassins in general, especially if your a ranged hyper carry duelist that builds all damage unlike your melee counterparts who must build hp and some resists to do their jobs, now some adc should be able to deal with/survive assassins if they play right such as 
, just not vayne because she gives up nothing in her kit to allow for that, where as all those adc have costs involved for misplaying vs an assassin or diver.
I don't hate vayne as a champion i just think she has far too many strengths and far too few weaknesses right now due to a combination of kit and items, shes not alone in this problem as draven, twitch also suffer these issues. Supports also factor into this but only due to how strong and ADC's defensive while being super offensive items are.
Brain Errör 4043 votesLol... 1 or 2 core items? Sure she can duel if she plays perfectly at that 1/2 item spike, but Vayne is a very terrible early laning phase. Excellent teamfight? I think you mean skirmish. Vayne sucks in full blown 5v5s. The only way teamfights go well for Vayne, is if she's playing cleanup duty.
She has a shit early game, a decently shitty mid game and a god like late game. 2v2s and 3v3s are her strong point. She looks for force picks before fights even begin. You just need 1 solid cc hit to lock Vayne down and blow her up. One misstep and she's gone.You're saying she doesn't give up anything for her kit, but you look at those other marksman and realize most of them can do their damage from a safe distance.
Ez has Q poke, tristana has incredible range, especially at 16, Jinx as immense teamfighting potential with her rockets and Quinn is just an AD ranged assassin so I wouldn't put her on the same page as your standard marksmen. When it comes down to it, I find Quinn equally as annoying as Vayne as she doesn't give up much from her kit to do what she does either. But that's just by comparison.
Vayne has to focus one target down and switching targets for Vayne is more detrimental than any other adc. Though she's balanced, I won't say she's not frustrating as all hell to deal with past the 30minute mark of if by some miracle your team manages to feed her pre 30mins.
While I can go on to provide statistics, it's best you play Vayne for yourself to find out what it is she sacrifices in terms for her strength. While not the bottom of the barrel of marksmen, she's nowhere near the top. Play 20 games of her, you'll see all of her weaknesses pretty quickly.
Ap Mid Burst2 votesNo, riot designed her as a duelist/assassin. For her, assassins should be a skill matchup.
Karn Bishop1 votesWell she definitely needs a full rework regardless, she is a game health problem champion just like yasuo nobody ever likes playing vs either of them for much the same reasons.
She also doesn't really live up to her champion fantasy either i mean she killed her mentor in cold blood merely for relying on shape shifting magic yet she herself uses invisibility magic? keeping in mind that every known source of invisibility magic comes from either the shadows or mutated magical beasts which she also hates?
In short her very lore goes against her having invisibility magic as the known true sources of invisibility magic is shadow magic and vastayan magic both of which she kills on sight for.
Executioner8 votesBut if I do 1v1 and outplay the 1v1 you cant yell at the adc for being OP.
Wicked Hunter1 votesBut if I do 1v1 and outplay the 1v1 you cant yell at the adc for being OP.
Adc s ain t op at all. They boosted them but look at the patches recently tanks got new items and some of them boost too so it s exactly like it was before only from different point of view
zippyHD6 votesSo true! Because of that, they made the "Assasin Update" THANK YOU ADC'S
Cloud2734 votesYou are not supposed to try to 1v1 the enemy mid/top/jungler. In a typical game, solo laners are 2-4 levels above an adc for the first 35-40 minutes, so they can easily 1v1 your squishy ass. Don't try to 1v1 a level 13 zed as a level 11 caitlyn then complain on the forums "zed has no counterplay!".
It doesn't matter whether the Zed has a level advantage or not. He still has no counterplay.
Ariel the Cruel8 votesDon't get me wrong. I hate dealing with Zed just as much as the next guy. (Except when I'm support - That ult delay make it hilariously useless around me). But as for "counter-play." http://alliantz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Inigo-Montoya-WORD-MEANS.jpg
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=plTY4z7X,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-07-07T22:50:22.460+0000)
- Return points are clearly marked.
- Ult has a .5 second delay with a giant warning sign telling you exactly where he'll be.
- Energy "buy-back" requires landing attack from him and shadow simultaneously.
- Shadow has a 22 second base cooldown at rank 1 with 4.5 second duration (wiki). That leaves you 17.5 seconds to harass him with impunity between uses.
Don't get me wrong. I hate dealing with Zed just as much as the next guy. (Except when I'm support - That ult delay make it hilariously useless around me). But as for "counter-play." http://alliantz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Inigo-Montoya-WORD-MEANS.jpg
It is literally impossible to dodge his ult. There is no counterplay to that.
Ben SwoIo3 votesNo counterplay? 
I think you get the point. If there were no counterplay, I'd be freakin challenger by now.
Ariel the Cruel4 votesDodge: No. Respond: Yes.
His ult is just a mobility and dodge tool on it's own. You know where it's going and when he will arrive. That gives you a chance to respond to his assassination pattern as a whole. And if you're near someone with available hard CC (or have your own), that delay means his ult is a suicide dive.
Complaining that you can't dodge his ult is like complaining you can't dodge Poppy's dash. But in a vacuum, Her's is stronger (Thanks to cooldown and stun potential).
Cloud2733 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=plTY4z7X,comment-id=0004000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-08T00:25:55.779+0000)
Dodge: No. Respond: Yes.
His ult is just a mobility and dodge tool on it's own. You know where it's going and when he will arrive. That gives you a chance to respond to his assassination pattern as a whole. And if you're near someone with available hard CC (or have your own), that delay means his ult is a suicide dive.
Complaining that you can't dodge his ult is like complaining you can't dodge Poppy's dash. But in a vacuum, Her's is stronger (Thanks to cooldown and stun potential).
No one complains about Poppy's dash because she can't instantly reposition like assassins can, her passive has counterplay, and she doesn't have much burst. You see, that's the thing about tanks. Almost all of them have counterplay. There are times when their kits are overtuned, but they have significantly more counterplay than the assassins in this game. Comparing that ability to Zed ult is stupid and makes no sense. And even if someone has cc his ult will still do massive damage. The ult damage can't be avoided, and after he ults you it's almost impossible to dodge hit other abilities since he's literally in your face after he ults.
Ariel the Cruel5 votesThe ult damage can't be avoided
100%AD damage. The amount that is unavoidable is equal to ONE Auto-attack. If you die from that, you probably weren't winning in the first place. (>_>)
And even if someone has cc his ult will still do massive damage.
Are you referring to the doubled damage? He has 3 seconds to apply it. If you can deny him at arrival (with... say... CC), you reduce his window. If you can move away from him, he either has to chase you burning more time, or use his W which hurts his escape. If he used the standard W->R engage; welp, sucks to be melee.
But lets say he got the full combo off on you. We'll say it took him 1 second after arrival. That means you still have another 2 seconds to use any defensive skills, item actives, or the support.
. . . Wait. Is this from the perspective of a no-CC squishy (Ex. ADC)? Most likely you were either caught out or tried to solo him. In either case, you should know what to expect from an assassin.
This is far from "no counter-play." But you want to complain anyways? Walk into an unsuppressed Rengar or Kha'zix. See how much counter-play there is when you get insta-gibbed in under a second from stealth.
Catastrop1 votesIt is literally impossible to dodge his ult. There is no counterplay to that.
Literally stand still then use sort mobility forward or CC behind you.
Sp33d Zer02 votesWhen I do that I still get hit by his immediate E queue
LoLN0081 votesis this a meme?
sardiniii4 votesHey Dasdi96:
You are not supposed to try to solo baron. In a typical game, baron can do a large amount of damage to you, so they can easily kill you. Dont try to solo baron as a lvl 14 Ahri and then complain on the boards about a very specific instance that you had with a generic solo que monkey adc!. [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Skins Project2 votesWhut
sardiniii1 votesI should probably explain what I was thinking when I wrote that.
I thought that the original post was really random and was probably was just inspired by a random adc that they probably had in solo queue.
So I decided to make a (imo) equally random post detailing a specific situation that was also comon sense to try to point out how random and pointless the original post was.
Hope that clears it up.
PS. The champ is ahri because I took one peek at their match history and their last played champ was ahri
Wicked Hunter4 votesYou are not supposed to try to 1v1 the enemy mid/top/jungler. In a typical game, solo laners are 2-4 levels above an adc for the first 35-40 minutes, so they can easily 1v1 your squishy ass. Don't try to 1v1 a level 13 zed as a level 11 caitlyn then complain on the forums "zed has no counterplay!".
Aaaaand the game mostly ends before 30 mins cause most of adc s are late game so u can t even enjoy ur adc cause guess what... even if u win ur lane but top and mid get fed the game ends at 20-25 in most cases. It s like ur v fav chocolate it melts so damn quick u can t even enjoy the taste. Most of adc s don t even make it till late game so GG WP
Dasdi967 votesAaaaand the game mostly ends before 30 mins cause most of adc s are late game so u can t even enjoy ur adc cause guess what... even if u win ur lane but top and mid get fed the game ends at 20-25 in most cases. It s like ur v fav chocolate it melts so damn quick u can t even enjoy the taste. Most of adc s don t even make it till late game so GG WP
Adc is supposed to be reliant on support the entire game because they have by far the highest and most reliable damage output in the game. Solo laners and junglers are meant to be self sufficient.
Cowseed3 votesWhat... adcs don't win every 1v1 by delfolt. Fire dis balacne team!
Sambers2 votesBut I'm I can Q auto Q R auto Q auto Q E into a wall auto Q auto and u die.. so git gud..
LoLN0082 votesif you sit around take 5 q's from vayne you should die
DaNinad1 votescait just has to trap the shadows and e out of the shurikens
LBmyBB1 votesWas that you?
LemurMonster1 votesI admit I been saying the same thing with them trying to do so with Teemo, being one of there counters. It bugs me since they dont show enough respect to a Teemo. But hey.. free gold.
Gelmous1 votesas long as you didn't feed your solo laner i don't have any troubling 1v1ing anyone, maybe the reason they complain is because you feed the shit out of your lane so they roam and kill everybody it's not the carries fault at this point really.
Procul Impetus1 voteslmao, you can never win midlaner as adc under the circumstances they have both same skill. Even if they have same amount of kills, cs and same level.
Bad Sardine1 votesOf course this thread is made by a bronze player LOL
