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Riot let's talk about Kindred and her current state

WolfChases··1 votes·450 views

Just to make it clear, this thread is not going to be about a specific game, matchup or anything like that, I just want to talk about Kindred and how her concept and her current state doesn't make any sense.

Kindred is a champion designed for jungling, mainly for counter jungling while in fact, she can't counterjungle because she's gonna be slaped in the face if doing so. She's so weak and pointless to the point when she's considered a troll pick. Her damage output is fine, let's say that her kit is fine as well but God damn, that passive simply kills it. Let's talk about her early game a little bit. Why does my Mark of the Kindred has to appear on the different side of the map in pretty much every single game? If I am ganking Top lane my 1st mark is going to pop up at the bottom side scuttle crab, and than I have to decide either to gank top OR to head bot for the mark thats probably going to be taken by the enemy jungler bacause I am nowhere near, and if you dont take your marks you are nothing but utter garbage. Kindreds marks are so damn random it's funny, theres literally nothing you can do to predict where the next mark is going to spawn. Other than that, why are enemies able to see your marks at the same time as you do? I don't care if they see my marks, just let me see the mark at least 30 seconds before they become visible for my enemies. That isnt going to make Kindred Broken, it's already risky to get deep into the enemy jungle as Kindred, why to make it even more risky if YOUR OWN mark is CLOSER to your enemy rather than being on a neutral position? If I can see my marks 30 seconds earlier then my enemy that can encourage enemy jungler to ward his camps more often and to spot me if I get there and that is way more healthy than it is now. It seems like you (RIOT) simply do not understand how important are marks for Kindred, without marks she's nothing and shes nowhere near OP if she gets 7 - 9 marks. New runes arent going to help her either as they dont do anything about her passive nor they make her any stronger to actually counterjungle because 9 out of 10 champions can 1v1 her at any point of the game right now.

Why dont you make her gameplay healthier? Just give us that 30 seconds lead when it comes to mark of the kindred and that should at least make it more rewarding to go for that deep jungle enemy gromp or kruggs. Its up to you to decide, buff Kindreds early game across the board so she can counterjungle or give us the 30 seconds lead. With that 30 seconds I can at least have a chance to get there at the same time as enemy jungler and at least try to outsmite him and flash away If I cant fight him. I just dont want my mark to be free for my enemies if I am not nearby just because it is so random.

We need some love

Best regards Kindred

6 Comments

Metleon1 votes

She actually has a higher than a 50% win rate because of press the attack, so she's not terrible.

I think the main problem is that she's basically an ADC with less gold, so it's harder for her to carry. A slow when she procs her mark and a long range skill shot would do wonders for her ganks.

WolfChases1 votes

Press the attack does not solve the problem with her passive which is the real problem. Her win rate night be over 50% because few people play her. Remember that Zed's and Le Blancs winrate was about 48% when they were broken and abused. Win rate simply does not indicate the champions state in the game unless it has high pick rate alongside high win rate (Looking at Ezreal) Press the attack is yet anither rune or whatever that is probably going to be nerfed as it is abused by 50% of the champions right now and theres reason for that. I am talking about Kindreds counterjungling concept and her inability to actually be any counterjungling threat for enemy jungler. Remember Shaco? Every single time you see him in champion select you already know that your jungle is gonna be screwed up... it is not nearly as tilting if you play Kindred. Her current passive is simply high risk - low reward instead of being high risk - high reward. Noone can deny that.

FatedSaviour1 votes

i like press on lucian, i also wonder what the new max shots fired on ult is cuz of lethal tempo

KoggyStyle1 votes

they are squishy in a fighter tank assassin role, if kin doesent kite and play almost perfectly they die.

im terrible on them but know a couple mains, they can play kin but without the whole team trying to help them secure a early game lead they are just gunna get out jungled.

Metleon1 votes

You're right, though it's definitely a high enough play rate that it's not just a one trick (like the Aerelion Sol jungle that exists for some reason). I've always found her passive really difficult to stack and not very rewarding.

A window where kindred can see the mark but the enemies can't would certainly help people plan. It often goes off on the complete other side of the map and there's no way I'd be able to get there before the enemy jungler takes it.

I still like my idea because it let's you get stacks by ganking. Your mark currently makes you want to kill someone but doesn't help you actually do it.

WolfChases1 votes

Or that! I would be happy even with your idea but 30 seconds uptime would as you said leave a healthy option for planning. Theres nothing but a pure luck when it comes to her passive right now.

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