So I am not going to bitch about that reverted damage buff that was on PBE, instead, give them more base MS because they are so God damn slow, even with boots. Every single time I play Kindred (almost always) I feel like I am on a slowmotion.
ChaosThief44 votes"Can't run from death"
Well this death is awfully slow, huh?
chipndip11 votesThat's what happens when you frolick instead of hustle.
Warlord Zudane1 votesSaunter away as if your life depended on it!
Onkel Malte17 votesI'd rather see a MS buff on the Mark of the Kindred. Because it definetly isn't fearsome if you practically get chosen to be hunted down by Death itself.
It's just like "If I die now, their basic attacks get a liiiiitle bit stronger" while it should be "Oh damn they are coming for me!"
Karakot6 votesthat would actually be kinda cool, kindred moves faster when going towards mark of the kindred? if that's what you ment. idk that's how I took it lol
Onkel Malte3 votesThat would be cool in either way. As a passive MS increase like Vayne has when moving towards enemies, or a short speed buff like Sivir's passive on hitting them with Q or basic attacks.
(I would go with a basic MS buff and damage amplification on the passive, but that's my fantasy. The damage is actually quite allright though I miss the heal really hard.)
Sir Fuzzi2 votesIf it had a more active role in gameplay that would be neat. It feels a bit like a boastful play, like, "Ha ha. I can get you now!"
It feels so very satisfying to just outright deny Kindred their mark stacks.
If Kindred got anything though, utility might be it. Maybe something that actually insinuates Wolf as a separate entity rather than just some vague AoE and lore effects.
I say utility because all of her kit is a bit roundabout, the damage all comes with a string attached-- stack it up, stay in the area, short-range and auto-target... something like special attention to marked units or some sort of debuff for losing out to Kindred's hunt (take bonus dmg/Kindred gets bonus ms or as/Kindred gets some enhancement to skills) maybe for the next two or three minutes after respawn? I dunno.
JustMonika139 votesYah, they need buffs, but certainly not to their damage.
MunchCrunchLunch8 votesaccording to pickban she has 51% winrate. whats so bad about it?
doesn't need buff.
PokladnicaZla5 votesaccording to pickban she has 51% winrate. whats so bad about it?
doesn't need buff.
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SpecterVonBaren5 votesIf the OP is talking about increasing Kindred's movespeed then the only one they're talking about it Lamb because she's the only one with legs.
PokladnicaZla2 votesThe correction was as intendet.You said she has a high WR,but it's THEY.
Even if were to talk about MS Wolf's animation/flight speed is dependent of Lamb's.If Lamb moves faster so does Wolf.So,it's THEIR movement speed.
WolfChases7 votesWin rate means nothing.
Elise had 49% at the time of pick or ban yet she got nerfed.
Zed had 48% at the moment when everyone cried about him and yet he got nerfed.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesNo Zed had 51-52%.
NegusInParis2 votesHer pickrate is very low which is probably the reason for the medium winrate.
God of Seas1 votesHer pick rate is one of the lowest. This means that only hard mains and one trick ponies play her thus the 50-52% win rate. On the other hand, yasuo one trick ponies can have 55-60% win rate.
Laskko 7 votesAs a kindred main, i approve
They are pretty slow honestly
Great Muta5 votesHer damage is okay, but she's:
Slow
Has bad mana
Her hunt makers should not be visible to the enemy
Has the armor of toilet paper
Too reliant on Run's hurricane
WolfChases2 votesExactly that.
Somehow I can deal with their low mana. Somehow I can deal with their toilet paper armor. I can play them even without Hurricane.
Apart from low base MS, I agree that their marks are kinda fucked up seriously. First of all, Kindred lost their dueling potential after all those nerfs they faced and now, if enemy jungler gets a slight lead early game, I dare you to go for his Gromp at 14. minute mark. Seriously, only 1st 2 or maybe 3 marks are safe, both crabs and enemy raptors since you don't have to enter deep in their jungle, other than that...getting mark on enemy Wolf camp, Gromp or Kugs is pain in the butt hole. At least 4 marks should be placed at the safer spot. On top of that, last night I got the mark on Rift Herald at 10 minutes mark and I had to wait for it to disappear because my top laner couldn't help me get it at a time, I mean...RIFT HERALD at 10th minute mark???? And again...why are enemies able to see the marks? Sometimes I am doing my Gromp while mark appears at bot lane crab and tadam, it's gone because their jungler was LUCKY enough to be nearby.
NightmareAmazoX1 votes[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yz6qKG6E,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-09-25T18:55:03.806+0000)
- Has the armor of toilet paper
im dead lmfao
WinTheWarOnPants4 votes"OMG why is kindred so freaking SLOW?!?!" And then you move fast enough to use her homeguard animation "....slow isn't so bad...."
nice table3 votesno kindred does not need buffs, they are still strong as fuck and no one wants the only kindred n nidalee jungle meta back.
WolfChases4 votesIt would not be the buff that's going to make Kindred tier1 again, It would just improve the gameplay for those who play them. I don't want them to have base MS of Lee Sin but I neither want them to be as slow as a snail. Pick kindred one game and you'll notice what I am talking about.
it be lìke that3 votesliterally everyone on the forums said "just give kindred like 5-10 more movement speed and she will be good again"
riot - "we hear you loud and clear, we will up kindred's damage"
WolfChases1 votesAs always, nothing strange.
Motel 6 Rat2 votesWelcome to all champions in the marksman class, how may I take your movespeed complaint?
Chaesire1 votesBecause moving and hunting is the only advantage you have with Kindred, their ultimate is the only one in the game that beneffits the enemy champions but isn't the only one that makes you inmortal, it only has less duration and no movement. Moving, pursuing and fighting even in close combat are the only advantages that Kindred have.
BLACK REALM GOD2 voteshonestly i feel like they could dock her overall damage and then grant her movement speed and attack speed since both of those sort of decline near end game. early game damage drops would make it harder to clear, but it would make those hunts all the more worthwhile. they should really consider making her hunts spawn in safer areas though. i had a 10 minute herald that i had to wait on to disappear because no one would leave their lane to help me. :/ and then baron right at the 20 minute mark. the rest were things like enemies gromp and enemies raptors. super annoying camps to go try to take. and then you have to follow skuttle around with that low movement speed and low attack speed trying to shoot it down. it's just awful. maybe even increase her vault range so it can be used to dodge skill shots while shrinking her W's aoe? idk. i do know one thing. putting her R directly underneath her has ruined a lot of her R's utility. i wish they'd revert that.
WolfChases2 votesEnemy Kha'Zix got that double kill at the bot because your bot pushed for eternity at level 3? Nevermind, he's just 2-0-0 and you are probably still 0-0-0, go for that marked Gromp deep in his jungle and see what happens when you get jumped because he can see the mark too.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesnah. faster movement and attack speed improves lifesteal and camp clear. especially since kindred is a marksman. khazix is an assassin so naturally khazix will have a higher damage output per second in a shorter time frame. but that's why kindred has her R. if your bottom "pushes for eternity" then that's their fault for being too aggressive. jungler cant jungle and hold bottoms hand. all that's going to do is put them behind.
i see your points but they're severely skewed towards situational advantages as opposed to overall structure and function.
WolfChases1 votesI understand your point but having aggressive bot who failed hard doesn't change the fact that you are gonna get that mark at the enemy Gromp. The fact is that Kindred should get at least 4 marks at the safer spots luke both crabs, enemy raptors and enemy blue.
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesthe most annoying thing about her hunts and marks system is when herald and baron are her marks and no one wants to help.
AetherKingdom2 votesuse ur 2 second cd gap closer
Scorpionex2 votesYou mean the 2 second gap closer that you have to use 2 abilities to use and has a limited range that one?
WolfChases2 votesIt's not 2 sec if W isn't active.
Hahahahyena2 voteskindred really does need more MS not damage lol, riot has good intentions but in the wrong areas lol
dunkeroni1 votesThat's because you have a spam-able jump to chase people down in fights
Chaesire1 votesPlaying Kindred nowadays is basiclly playing Tryndamere with less speed, less damage, a Q that moves less and deals less damage, the same ultimate but with no movility, less duration and healing enemies. Also, since the wolf's heals were eliminated its impossible to fight any champion 1v1
Great Muta1 votesYep. No matter how good you do with Kindred, it's an even match 1v1 with anyone unfortunately.
DunkinNoobs1 votesCan we not make Kindred pick or ban again? Thanks.
Dominick Destine1 votesShe needs to be gutted, her concept was broken from the get go.
