[{quoted}](name=Riven xp ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pVz8Meq2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-12T03:11:41.309+0000)
have u played vs lulu/tristana?
have uplayed vs janna/tristana?
u cant touch either at all after 25 minutes.
i would prefer that combo over this cancerous trist champ anytime
Neither are nearly as dumb as Kalista + Soraka, and neither become insanely broken at level 6, giving you time to deal with them.
The counterplay to Soraka, in general, is to kill Soraka first. This combo removes all counter play.